What happens AFTER nuclear war between NATO and Russia.

Russia can win. And Russia shall win. The only question is in the price of the victory for Russia (and other states). The first counter-force strike (after proper preparations) and America's retaliation won't kill more than 20 millions of Russians (which is acceptable price for victory).
I prefer to not contemplate nuclear war and millions dead.
I think that by now the facts are understood by most. I'm more interested in how peace can be achieved.

I think mor along the lines of the Brics power bloc establishing powerful proxies of their own in the Western sphere of influence, to counter America's proxies in the Eastern sphere of influence.

Armchair wars with the likes of Litwin and others should be below our pay grade.
 
Litwin and Zavulon shooting it out is better than actual warfare.
 
Act childish for somebody else's benefit. If you are tying to be a part of my conversations, show some intelligence.
Donald H does not understand boundaries. My point is clear and sharp. Tough, bub.
 
I prefer to not contemplate nuclear war and millions dead.
If so, you shouldn't attack a nuclear country (directly or indirectly).
I think that by now the facts are understood by most. I'm more interested in how peace can be achieved.
It's simple. Step one - stop your support of neo-nazi regimes in Ukraine and Baltic States. Recognise new borders and free choice of people from other former Ukrainian regions. Step two - withdraw NATO military units from Eastern Europe (to the borders of 1997).

I think mor along the lines of the Brics power bloc establishing powerful proxies of their own in the Western sphere of influence, to counter America's proxies in the Eastern sphere of influence.

Armchair wars with the likes of Litwin and others should be below our pay grade.
The problem with Litwin is not about his personal beliefs. The problem with him is that he is a copy-paster of NAFO - state-sponsored organization. Therefore, he is almost official. I do not care about a random Nazi from internet. I do care about Neo-Nazism as the governmental ideology of our neighbors.
 
If so, you shouldn't attack a nuclear country (directly or indirectly).
I'm a Canadian, and yes I know that my country is involved.
It's simple. Step one - stop your support of neo-nazi regimes in Ukraine and Baltic States. Recognise new borders and free choice of people from other former Ukrainian regions. Step two - withdraw NATO military units from Eastern Europe (to the borders of 1997).
See above.
The problem with Litwin is not about his personal beliefs. The problem with him is that he is a copy-paster of NAFO - state-sponsored organization. Therefore, he is almost official. I do not care about a random Nazi from internet. I do care about Neo-Nazism as the governmental ideology of our neighbors.

He's desperate for a fight and nobody should oblige him. I don't find it difficult to ignore his armchair war because my purpose is in raising issues that can contribute to a future peace.

However, you need to appreciate that America isn't going to back off easily. Their mission was established with the rise of tthe Soviet Union and the fall energized their mission to new higher levels.

I see something in Putin's move to take the war to the West and to arm it's proxies. Russia can't afford to lose either.

Most important and perhaps reassuring is the fact that everybody loses with nuclear, and that extraordinary precautions have been taken.

We should be able to talk in terms of conventional warfare, hopefully for the duration.
 
I'm a Canadian, and yes I know that my country is involved.

See above.
You can try to change the policy of your country or you can individually make your preparations.

He's desperate for a fight and nobody should oblige him. I don't find it difficult to ignore his armchair war because my purpose is in raising issues that can contribute to a future peace.
He hardly is "desperate". He is just payed to copy-paste. Payed by an official governmental organization. And we can't make a peace with a government who pay people for this.

However, you need to appreciate that America isn't going to back off easily. Their mission was established with the rise of tthe Soviet Union and the fall energized their mission to new higher levels.

I see something in Putin's move to take the war to the West and to arm it's proxies. Russia can't afford to lose either.

Most important and perhaps reassuring is the fact that everybody loses with nuclear, and that extraordinary precautions have been taken.
It depends.

We should be able to talk in terms of conventional warfare, hopefully for the duration.
I very doubt about it. You see, there is no such term as "conventional warfare" in Russian language. The very conception of "Conventions of war" is pretty alien for the Russian military or governmental thinking. The word "war" - "voina", from the root "voi" - "howling", is about unleashing inner animal nature, something pretty contrary to the conceptions of "conventions", "laws" or "rules".
 
Keep it up, Zavulon, and we will give your west to Finland, the Baltic States, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, etc.,

Russia is a weak third nation power under Chinese control.
 
You need to educate the Russians to your points. They don't get it,
 
And don't threaten us with Russians nukes. They are poorly made, maintained, deficient in numbers that work.

What do you thin the West did from 1989 to 1993. We infiltrated your nuclear weapons industry and military. There is not a thing you have done that is already countermeasured.

China will not save you. SA, Israel, Pakistan, and India have no interest in your salvation.

You will back down. Never doubt that.
 
Russia can win. And Russia shall win. The only question is in the price of the victory for Russia (and other states). The first counter-force strike (after proper preparations) and America's retaliation won't kill more than 20 millions of Russians (which is acceptable price for victory).
And the rest of your population will starve in the dark. No power because EMP will destroy your generating capacity. Most of your food is imported because most of Russia is in a horrible climate for farming. Ukraine used to be the breadbasket of the USSR and even with its lush and productive farmland, Russia had to import grain from the USA and meat from other western countries to avoid wide-spread starvation. No one wins a nuclear war.
 
And the rest of your population will starve in the dark. No power because EMP will destroy your generating capacity.
It's overestimation.


Most of your food is imported because most of Russia is in a horrible climate for farming.
Actually, nowadays (with global warming and new technologies) Russia is an exporter of grain. We produce more food than we can eat. What is even more important we have 3-years food reserve in Rosreserv stores.

Ukraine used to be the breadbasket of the USSR and even with its lush and productive farmland, Russia had to import grain from the USA and meat from other western countries to avoid wide-spread starvation.
And yes, with active usage of nukes we can take all food from Ukraine and EU or even ask China and India for 5% of their food production.


No one wins a nuclear war.
It depends mostly on your definition of victory. If we use old-fashioned definition of victor as someone who actually writes the terms of post-war peace - of course, nuclear war (as well as any other) can be won. While, of course, the price of victory can be high.
 
Zavulon is a fool. Someone needs to report him to the FSB. If he is FSB, they need to fire him.
 
Zavulon is a fool. Someone needs to report him to the FSB. If he is FSB, they need to fire him.
I'd be a fool if tried actually change your mind about anything. Same way, USMB is restricted in Russia, so my very membership here is a minor crime.
My main goals here are:
1) studying the language.
2) getting access to the alternative points of view.
And FSB do not prosecute people for that minor crimes.
And no, being a fool is not a crime at all.
 
I'd be a fool if tried actually change your mind about anything. Same way, USMB is restricted in Russia, so my very membership here is a minor crime.
My main goals here are:
1) studying the language.
2) getting access to the alternative points of view.
And FSB do not prosecute people for that minor crimes.
And no, being a fool is not a crime at all.
Being a fool is the biggest crime of all. And you don't want access to alternative viewpoints, you want to spout propaganda. Russia has never been something other than a third world country with a second world military. Now it is a third world country with a fourth world military. Russia's only claim to power now that Ukraine has exposed the weakness of the Russian land and air forces is its nuclear arsenal, most of which won't make it out of the silo for lack of maintenance and a large portion of what actually does launch will miss the target or fail to detonate. Nuclear weapons require continual expensive maintenance by well-trained personnel. Russia lacks the personnel and the funds for proper maintenance. Russia has always lacked well trained personnel, having a military composed of poorly trained conscripts, no professional NCO corps and thus having to use commissioned officers to do the skilled grunt work that western militaries relegate to enlisted personnel and junior NCOs.
 
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