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Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
No. I'd like to see unions make a comeback. Labor woke up in the past and improved the middle class perhaps they can do it again.
They say it's a lot harder for Walmart employees and McD employees to organize because they are all spread out all across America. It was easier for GM and Ford employees because there were thousands of them all working in the same building. Regardless, Walmart workers need to strike. But, they are so poor and stupid they don't.
And I did see something the other day where yes there is a formula that they want to have companies that are larger than 250 employees must pay their employees 1% of the profits. Something like that. I don't remember the details but it sounded good to me. Some con on here said, "socialism never works" but really I'm not talking about socialism. I'm talking about the fact that in 1978 CEO's made 30 times what the average worker made but today it's like 200 times. This is not right. Do I want the government to pass laws that force the companies to pay their workers appropriately? I guess if there was a law that would right the wrong, sure. I'd have no problem with it. Of course you cons would fight it tooth and nail. We already know your biggest concern is protecting CEO pay. Why we have no idea but clearly you don't mind that CEO pay has skyrocketed in the years that middle class wages have stagnated.
Unions won't make a comeback because they are like the buggy whip. They are no longer of any value and smart people know Unions have outlived their purpose.
National Education Association General Counsel Bob Chanin stated in July 2009.
Chanin: "It is not because we care about children. And it is not because we have a vision of a great public school for every child. NEA and its affiliates are effective advocates because we have power. And we have power because there are more than 3.2 million people who are willing to pay us hundreds of millions of dollars in dues...."
Pretty much says it all.
Because it's not enough. And when Trump creates the next recession and wages go back down?
I'm glad wages have gone up a little but MAGA? Hardly.
But this is the new America. The new American doesn't get good wages and benefits. To the new American, $15 hr and no healthcare is good. Living in parents basement.
Anyways, lets see if Americans are happy with the raise they got next year.
Yes, they do.The right wing believes the Poor are not worth equal protection of the law under our form of Capitalism.Conservative policies make middle class people poorer. They shrink the middle class. They widen the gap between rich and poor. They make the rich richer. They take risks and deregulate. They favor corporations not laborthe left has a solution. it is called, solving simple poverty. you simply didn't understand the economic concepts but had to put in your two "Congressional Continentals worth."
What have Progressives accomplished regarding simple poverty, whatever that is? Starting with former President Lyndon Johnson, you have accomplished nothing but spending over 21 Trillion going down the tubes.
No they don't.
Thank you for ceding the point and the argument.Yes, they do.The right wing believes the Poor are not worth equal protection of the law under our form of Capitalism.Conservative policies make middle class people poorer. They shrink the middle class. They widen the gap between rich and poor. They make the rich richer. They take risks and deregulate. They favor corporations not laborWhat have Progressives accomplished regarding simple poverty, whatever that is? Starting with former President Lyndon Johnson, you have accomplished nothing but spending over 21 Trillion going down the tubes.
No they don't.
Flat tax scares socialists and the elite.
But a flat tax benefits the elite. They are the ones who are pushing for it.
Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
You dare say that $400 won't make a difference but then turn around and brag about Trump's tax breaks to the middle class?
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You guys want us US workers to take a pay cut so we are more competitive with foreign automakers. Well why don't the CEO's take a pay cut too? They are employees of the company too right?
And it's not just the CEO's pay. My brother is like a level 3 VP at his company and he took home $800,000 last year. That's god damn ridiculous. Who's dick do I have to suck to make half of that?
You could get a business degree, start at low level management in a large, wealthy company, stab everyone on the next ring of the ladder in the back, never make a mistake you can't blame on somebody else, make sure whatever you're responsible for consistently contributes to the bottom line and wait for somebody higher up the food chain kicks the bucket. Or you could call under the bosses desk if you're impatient.
Why not be content with what you have? Life is a lot more fun when you don't envy the next guy.
I'm actually okay with it. I make enough for me. I'm in the top 5-10%. That means at least 90% of Americans are poorer than me.
I just like arguing politics and I'm passionate about what I believe. But I'll be ok either way.
In fact you might say I benefit from the Republican way. When I got my big raise in 2016 I didn't have to share it with everyone else at my company. It was mine all mine.
And I love your advice on how to make it in corporate America. It's surprisingly accurate.
My bro says what you need to do is:
1. Stay late. I never.
2. Take on the tough assignments no one wants. I never
3. Be willing to move to China tomorrow. I won't.
4. And your answers can't change in 10 years. A young person says yes to all these questions when they are asked but then 2 years later they want to leave early, they don't take on the tough assignments and they say no to moving to China because now they have a boyfriend/girlfriend or kid to take care of and he's in school and has friends and I don't want to disrupt his life.
I would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.
from the right wing. we need "baby steps", for themI would like for the Government to regulate the Rock Bottom Cost of a form of "minimum wage" that simply pays the least efficient labor market participants, to not provide labor input to the economy and take time to improve themselves and their situation, so they will be able to participate in a more beneficial and friendly manner, in our market based economy.
That's kind of a universal reply to Daniel.
It’s an extreme case but it highlights the point.Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
Your imagination is active but why not change the above to an actual case. You can't because you are lying. Why? Because that's the only way to make a "case" in your fantasy world.
Show us the thousands of companies, with 50,000 employees where the CEO earns $21 MILLION. You can't.
Why is it impossible?Flat tax scares socialists and the elite.
But a flat tax benefits the elite. They are the ones who are pushing for it.
Who are the elite?
A flat tax is impossible. The Fair Tax has double or triple the chance of becoming law but that chance is still less than 5%.
So?Put your money where your mouth is.What did Obama want to do? Lowering the tax burden on middle-class families, expanding access to education, job training and retirement, closing loopholes and raising taxes on capital gains had no chance of being passed with a Republican controlled house and senate.
Failed former President Barack Hussein Obama LOWERED the tax burden? What a unique thought, a lie but unique.
Full List of Obama Tax Hikes
1. A 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco: On February 4, 2009, just sixteen days into his Administration, Obama signed into law a 156 percent increase in the federal excise tax on tobacco, a hike of 61 cents per pack. The median income of smokers is just over $36,000 per year.
2. Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax (takes effect in Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance – as defined by Obama-appointed HHS bureaucrats -- must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following:
1 Adult
2 Adults
3+ Adults
2014
1% AGI/$95
1% AGI/$190
1% AGI/$285
2015
2% AGI/$325
2% AGI/$650
2% AGI/$975
2016 +
2.5% AGI/$695
2.5% AGI/$1390
2.5% AGI/$2085
The Congressional Budget Office recently estimated that six million American families will be liable for the tax, and as Americans for Tax Reform has pointed out, 100 percent of Americans filing a tax return (140 million filers) will be forced to submit paperwork to the IRS showing they had “qualifying” health insurance for every month of the tax year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 317-337)
3. Obamacare Employer Mandate Tax (takes effect Jan. 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. Applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer). Bill: PPACA; Page: 345-346
Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years
4. Obamacare Surtax on Investment Income (Tax hike of $123 billion/takes effect Jan. 2013): Creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income: Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 87-93
Capital Gains
Dividends
Other*
2011-2012
15%
15%
35%
2013+ (current law)
23.8%
43.4%
43.4%
2013+ (Obama budget)
23.8%
23.8%
43.4%
*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.
5. Obamacare Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans (Tax hike of $32 bil/takes effect Jan. 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). Higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family) for early retirees and high-risk professions. CPI +1 percentage point indexed. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,941-1,956
6. Obamacare Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax (Tax hike of $86.8 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Current law and changes:
First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee
All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee
Current Law
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
Obamacare Tax Hike
1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed
1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed
Bill: PPACA, Reconciliation Act; Page: 2000-2003; 87-93
7. Obamacare Medicine Cabinet Tax (Tax hike of $5 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Americans are no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957-1,959
8. Obamacare HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike (Tax hike of $1.4 bil/took effect Jan. 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,959
9. Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka “Special Needs Kids Tax” (Tax hike of $13 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Imposes cap on FSAs of $2500 (currently unlimited). Indexed to inflation after 2013. There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,388-2,389
10. Obamacare Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers (Tax hike of $20 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Medical device manufacturers 409,000 people in 12,000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3 percent excise tax on total sales, even if the respective company does not earn a profit. Exempts items retailing for <$100. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,980-1,986
11. Obamacare "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI (Tax hike of $15.2 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI. Waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994-1,995
12. Obamacare Tax on Indoor Tanning Services (Tax hike of $2.7 billion/took effect July 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons. Making matters worse: According to a Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration report, the Obama IRS didn’t bother to issue compliance guidelines until three quarterly filing deadlines had passed: “By the time [IRS] notices were issued, tanning excise tax returns had been due for three quarters." Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,397-2,399
13. Obamacare elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D (Tax hike of $4.5 bil/takes effect Jan. 2013) Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,994
14. Obamacare Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike (Tax hike of $0.4 bil/took effect Jan. 1 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services. Bill: PPACA; Page: 2,004
15. Obamacare Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals (Min$/took effect immediately): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by Obama-appointed HHS bureaucrats. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,961-1,971
16. Obamacare Tax on Innovator Drug Companies (Tax hike of $22.2 bil/took effect Jan. 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,971-1,980
17. Obamacare Tax on Health Insurers (Tax hike of $60.1 bil/takes effect Jan. 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. Phases in gradually until 2018. Fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,986-1,993
18. Obamacare $500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives (Tax hike of $0.6 bil/takes effect Jan 2013). Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,995-2,000
19. Obamacare Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2 ($min/takes effect Jan. 2012): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns. Bill: PPACA; Page: 1,957
20. Obamacare “Black liquor” tax hike (Tax hike of $23.6 billion/took effect immediately). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 105
21. Obamacare Codification of the “economic substance doctrine” (Tax hike of $4.5 billion/took effect immediately). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed. Bill: Reconciliation Act; Page: 108-113
Full List of Obama Tax Hikes | Americans for Tax Reform
I said he wanted to. I didn't say he did.
And yes, in order to cover the poor and children, your taxes and healthcare costs will have to go up a little. So what?
They should have passed single payer socialized medicine for all. Then your company can buy you better insurance if you are so valuable to them. Chances are though they won't. They'll just tell you to go get your government provided healthcare.
OMG I am starting to sound like Danielpalos. lol
Let’s all pay 25% with no deductions.
How’s that sound?
I would take home $75K cash? Okay.
Seriously, you're the only one who thinks that.lol. hint. i am the truest witness bearer on this board. Yes, the right wing is worse.lol. Why do I get banned for being obtuse, when the right wing is Always worse.Because, equal protection of the law is in our social contract, not your subjective, socialist values on a national basis.Call it whatever you like, Daniel...it's the "dole"! Why is it when policy that you liberals espouse fails...you think you can rename it and that it will work this time?
Did your mother smoke crack when you were in the womb, Daniel?
Hint, it's not the right wing, it's you.
He was complaining about being banned in another post.That's a bannable infraction?Yes, they do.The right wing believes the Poor are not worth equal protection of the law under our form of Capitalism.Conservative policies make middle class people poorer. They shrink the middle class. They widen the gap between rich and poor. They make the rich richer. They take risks and deregulate. They favor corporations not labor
No they don't.
And that right there is why you continue to get banned. You actually believe the blargle you write.
It’s an extreme case but it highlights the point.Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
Your imagination is active but why not change the above to an actual case. You can't because you are lying. Why? Because that's the only way to make a "case" in your fantasy world.
Show us the thousands of companies, with 50,000 employees where the CEO earns $21 MILLION. You can't.
You can zero out every CEO’s compensation and use it to increase the pay of the other employees and it wouldn’t change the calculus.
Now am I lying or am I lying?
Yes, it was a hypothetical case. Are you arguing that If CEO’s weren’t paid so well that there would be no income gap?It’s an extreme case but it highlights the point.Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
Your imagination is active but why not change the above to an actual case. You can't because you are lying. Why? Because that's the only way to make a "case" in your fantasy world.
Show us the thousands of companies, with 50,000 employees where the CEO earns $21 MILLION. You can't.
You can zero out every CEO’s compensation and use it to increase the pay of the other employees and it wouldn’t change the calculus.
Now am I lying or am I lying?
It is NOT an extreme case, it is a LIE YOU MADE UP. It has no basis in reality.
Are you lying or are you lying? Take your choice, you said it!
Yes, it was a hypothetical case. Are you arguing that If CEO’s weren’t paid so well that there would be no income gap?
Yes, it was a hypothetical case. Are you arguing that If CEO’s weren’t paid so well that there would be no income gap?
So Where Was ItAsclepias said:Dems offer that too.PredFan said:Jobs, opportunity, freedom, prosperity.
Let’s say a company has 50,000 employees and the CEO gets a $21,000,000 compensation package with pay, bonus and stock options. Now let’s say we reduce his package to 1 million bucks and give the difference to the 50,000 employees. That’s a whopping $400 increase in pay per employee.
Wow, that really made a difference.
