What do you understand about FDR? Did FDR want a war with Japan? For answers, check here

[Robert W]

Dumb question. Take your meds and go back to slumber land,

You are not one bit respectful. That is not how I am.

 

[Robert W]

But in those days everyone in my neck of the woods was FDR democrats

My entire family was Democrats to the point when I was able to vote, I was too. I just went with the family. I finally decided to study this issue. After several years of deep study. I became a Republican just in time to vote for Reagan. This man is our nations finest of all presidents. Bar none.

Democrats it seems to me refuse to actually evaluate why they are democrats and simply follow earlier leads. Generally I believe by their own families.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Does this mean you believe war was an excellent idea by FDR?

Dumb question. Take your meds and go back to slumber land,

 

[Robert W]

Dumb question. Take your meds and go back to slumber land,

You are dumb.

 

[Mac-7]

My entire family was Democrats to the point when I was able to vote, I was too. I just went with the family. I finally decided to study this issue. After several years of deep study. I became a Republican just in time to vote for Reagan. This man is our nations finest of all presidents. Bar none.

Democrats it seems to me refuse to actually evaluate why they are democrats and simply follow earlier leads. Generally I believe by their own families.

We are republicans after considering the options and making an educated decision

That's a far cry from the uneducated oafs libs tell themselves we are

 

[Robert W]

We are republicans after considering the options and making an educated decidion

So true.

 

[DudleySmith]

The economy started recovering within weeks of FDR getting sworn in, and by 1937-1938 GDP was back to pre-Depression levels. Unemployment was down from 25%-30% to 10%, still high but much better than under Hoover. FDR kept a lot of families fed and working, which of course Republicans hated for some reason; they loved it when Hoover had the Army shooting and bayoneting uppity proles who refused to quietly starve to death waiting for Wall Street swindlers and thieves to do something, but instead decided to just hide out on their estates behind private armies and whine a lot.

Not everything worked, but a lot of it did actually put food on peoples' tables while working out what worked and what didn't, despite all the current bed wetting from wannabee parasites and right wing morons.

And even better, the DEmocrat populists' anti-trust and anti-chain store policies after the war created the largest middle class in our history, another reason New Deal policies were hated by right wingers.

 

[DudleySmith]

My entire family was Democrats to the point when I was able to vote, I was too. I just went with the family. I finally decided to study this issue. After several years of deep study. I became a Republican just in time to vote for Reagan. This man is our nations finest of all presidents. Bar none.

Democrats it seems to me refuse to actually evaluate why they are democrats and simply follow earlier leads. Generally I believe by their own families.

You mean you found out trying to get rich via debt bubbles was easier than working for a living, which was a losing proposition at the time.

 

[DudleySmith]

FDR, of course, knew the US would have to fight Japan.

With 90% of the country isolationist, he had to wait for a PH to take action.

The isolationists cost many millions of lives, and a far more expensive and longer war.

 

[Robert W]

You mean you found out trying to get rich via debt bubbles was easier than working for a living, which was a losing proposition at the time.

Were that true, I would have said it myself.

 

[Robert W]

The isolationists cost many millions of lives, and a far more expensive and longer war.

So you accept FDR made a hell of a mistake by waiting so long to go to war?

 

[whitehall]

The truth is out there even though the winners write the history books. How many people are aware that FDR chose General George Marshall as COS over more qualified Officers who had a better record? Marshall was credited as having a near photographic mind in the vernacular of the time but he couldn't remember where he was on the evening before the "Day of Infamy". When he arrived uncharacteristically late for work on Dec 7 his staff frantically gave him a decoded message that indicated an imminent attack. Marshall read and re-read and re-e read the message until it was too late to alert Hawaii.

 

[Robert W]

The economy started recovering within weeks of FDR getting sworn in, and by 1937-1938 GDP was back to pre-Depression levels. Unemployment was down from 25%-30% to 10%, still high but much better than under Hoover. FDR kept a lot of families fed and working, which of course Republicans hated for some reason; they loved it when Hoover had the Army shooting and bayoneting uppity proles who refused to quietly starve to death waiting for Wall Street swindlers and thieves to do something, but instead decided to just hide out on their estates behind private armies and whine a lot.

Not everything worked, but a lot of it did actually put food on peoples' tables while working out what worked and what didn't, despite all the current bed wetting from wannabee parasites and right wing morons.

And even better, the DEmocrat populists' anti-trust and anti-chain store policies after the war created the largest middle class in our history, another reason New Deal policies were hated by right wingers.

Wall Street was another victim but not of Hoover, it was a bank in NY City that caused the depression. FDR did not recover in a few weeks at all. The Depression was cured when he went to war. A good many Democrats did not want to be in a war. Depressions should never last nearly as long as FDRs did.

 

[Robert W]

The truth is out there even though the winners write the history books. How many people are aware that FDR chose General George Marshall as COS over more qualified Officers who had a better record? Marshall was credited as having a near photographic mind in the vernacular of the time but he couldn't remember where he was on the evening before the "Day of Infamy". When he arrived uncharacteristically late for work on Dec 7 his staff frantically gave him a decoded message that indicated an imminent attack. Marshall read and re-read and re-e read the message until it was too late to alert Hawaii.

Hawaii had to be on full alert long before that stuff you blamed Marshall for. A military that size needs several weeks to do it correctly.

 

[DudleySmith]

So you accept FDR made a hell of a mistake by waiting so long to go to war?

Triggered idiots can't make any rebuttals; the facts are easily available. It wasn't FDR that was 'waiting' it was your piece of shit Wall Street swindlers dragging their feet and blocking him. You can't fit those facts in your looney conspiracy theories, though.

 

[Mushroom]

Why would Japan dare attack Pearl Harbor? Think about that question.

Japan could not care less about Pearl Harbor. That was simply to slow down any response from the US for the territory they really wanted.

What japan wanted was the Western Pacific. China, Dutch East Indies, Philippines, and all the rest. They had no real interest in Hawaii or much of anything else, but they knew that if they did not seriously damage the US Fleet there, then they would soon have it on their own doorstep trying to hold the Philippines.

This is no real secret that was their goal, they wanted to gather up the entire region into their "Co-Prosperity Sphere". Then use the resources there for themselves.

 

[Robert W]

Japan could not care less about Pearl Harbor. That was simply to slow down any response from the US for the territory they really wanted.

What japan wanted was the Western Pacific. China, Dutch East Indies, Philippines, and all the rest. They had no real interest in Hawaii or much of anything else, but they knew that if they did not seriously damage the US Fleet there, then they would soon have it on their own doorstep trying to hold the Philippines.

This is no real secret that was their goal, they wanted to gather up the entire region into their "Co-Prosperity Sphere". Then use the resources there for themselves.

FDR would not have been in WW2 had the Japanese not bombed Pearl Harbor.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Japs didn't even complete the original mission; they left the fuel depot largely unscathed, a serious blunder. They had no idea where the carriers were, and feared being surprised by them and screwed up. If they had taken out the fuel depot, it would have been a big delay in U.S. operations in the Pacific. Midway could have been different if the carriers had had to refuel in the U.S.

About Red Hill

cnrh.cnic.navy.mil

A look at a mop of the Pacific and an idea of the travel times from San Diego to Asia compared to times from Hawaii and Guam would enlighten a few. Aerial surveillance patrols were critical, still are.

 

[Mushroom]

How many people are aware that FDR chose General George Marshall as COS over more qualified Officers who had a better record?

Not quite true.

General Marshall was the only General to oppose the President when he wanted to expand the Army Air Corps in 1938, correctly pointing out that the Army did not have the manpower or logistical ability to support such an expansion. And not only that, but that the Army did not even have a single division at wartime strength. And opposed the idea the President had of increasing the air forces and not the ground forces. And even though he was opposing the President, that also earned him his respect as he was the only General to do so.

So when General Craig retired, he remembered that as well as with the recommendations of General Pershing he was tapped to be the new Army Chief of Staff. Because he did not simply want somebody rubber stamping his suggestions but opposing him if they thought that was the wrong thing to do. Plus he was the Deputy Chief of Staff already, which is why he assumed the position between Craig retiring and being named to the post.

And what other generals were there, really? Certainly not Ike, he was only a Lieutenant Colonel. As was Omar Bradley. Patton was only a Colonel then.

 

[Mushroom]

FDR would not have been in WW2 had the Japanese not bombed Pearl Harbor.

Sorry, but that is complete and utter coprolite.

Because Japan was unquestionably going to attack the Philippines. There was no way in hell Japan was going to attack the British possessions and the Dutch East Indies while leaving those islands alone. Especially as the US was in the starting phase of a massive military buildup there.

The moment they attacked the Philippines, it would have been war.