What do vegans and vegetarians feed their dogs and cats?

[buttercup]

Yes, that one is much better. And cheaper, but still very expensive.
This thread was half trolling half sincere lol. I really didnt know how far many of you actually clung to your beliefs.

Thanks for putting it in question form. (Not everyone does that.) I wasn't planning on talking about this, but since you brought it up....I think it depends on why someone goes vegan. Some people take the label of "vegan" but for them it's only about diet...and their reason for doing it is health, or to lose weight, or because they think it's trendy. And in cases like that it's often just a temporary thing, and it doesn't affect other decisions they make. For example, obviously someone who is doing it only for health reasons is not going to care about buying leather or fur, or pet food that comes from animal cruelty. But if someone is vegan because they genuinely believe that animals shouldn't be exploited and needlessly harmed... then it goes beyond just diet, and they actually stick with it. I know you guys will probably roll your eyes at this, but when someone truly has that paradigm shift, you don't go back. I could never go back to partaking in the horror show. But anyway, I should probably shut up now because I'm not sure I want to get into any debates on this topic. I've learned from experience that 9 times out of 10 on this site it doesn't go well. In fact, sometimes it's absolutely maddening, and turns out to be a disaster.

 

[TNHarley]

Thanks for putting it in question form. (Not everyone does that.) I wasn't planning on talking about this, but since you brought it up....I think it depends on why someone goes vegan. Some people take the label of "vegan" but for them it's only about diet...and their reason for doing it is health, or to lose weight, or because they think it's trendy. And in cases like that it's often just a temporary thing, and it doesn't affect other decisions they make. For example, obviously someone who is doing it only for health reasons is not going to care about buying leather or fur, or pet food that comes from animal cruelty. But if someone is vegan because they genuinely believe that animals shouldn't be exploited and needlessly harmed... then it goes beyond just diet, and they actually stick with it. I know you guys will probably roll your eyes at this, but when someone truly has that paradigm shift, you don't go back. I could never go back to partaking in the horror show. But anyway, I should probably shut up now because I'm not sure I want to get into any debates on this topic. I've learned from experience that 9 times out of 10 on this site it doesn't go well. In fact, sometimes it's absolutely maddening, and turns out to be a disaster.

That makes sense. Thank you.

 

[Foxfyre]

Of course you can! My dog loves fruits and veggies. But she cant rely on them.
Cats are obligate carnivores. They cant thrive without meat.

Though dogs are not as dedicated carnivores as cats, they definitely need animal protein to be healthy and thrive. Plant based protein cannot do for them what animal based protein does.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Though dogs are not as dedicated carnivores as cats, they definitely need animal protein to be healthy and thrive. Plant based protein cannot do for them what animal based protein does.

You offer OPINIONS based on your bias with n o special knowledge. Try Google and keep; an open mind

Can Dogs Be Plant-Based? Here's What The Science Says

If you're thinking of putting your dog on a plant-based diet, here's what you need to consider to make sure they stay healthy.

plantbasednews.org

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Simple question

dog or cat food
simple ******* answer

 

[Foxfyre]

You offer OPINIONS based on your bias with n o special knowledge. Try Google and keep; an open mind

Can Dogs Be Plant-Based? Here's What The Science Says

If you're thinking of putting your dog on a plant-based diet, here's what you need to consider to make sure they stay healthy.

plantbasednews.org

And you completely ignored all the articles Google offers links to emphasizing why dogs need animal protein for optimum health.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

And you completely ignored all the articles Google offers links to emphasizing why dogs need animal protein for optimum health.

You responded too quickly to have read even a tiny bit of the article I linked to.
Here's the difference. I was where you currently are for most of my long life. I HAVE read what you want to hear and used to believe as you do.

The difference is, I GREW as I had an open mind and was capable of learning new things. Right now, you are not ready to grow.

 

[buttercup]

And you completely ignored all the articles Google offers links to emphasizing why dogs need animal protein for optimum health.

Of course dogs need protein. You DO realize that you can get ample protein from plantfoods, don't you? In fact, protein originates from plants. So when you eat dismembered body parts of dead animals... the protein you're getting originally came from the plants they ate. So you're getting it second-hand, filtered through a corpse.

Vegans cut out the 'middleman' and get protein straight from the original source. It's not only healthier but no one has to be abused and die a needless brutal death.

 

[buttercup]

Don't miss the guy in the back...

 

[TNHarley]

dog or cat food
simple ******* answer

Lol it doesnt surprise me at all how this went right over your head.

 

[TNHarley]

Of course dogs need protein. You DO realize that you can get ample protein from plantfoods, don't you? In fact, protein originates from plants. So when you eat dismembered body parts of dead animals... the protein you're getting originally came from the plants they ate. So you're getting it second-hand, filtered through a corpse.

Vegans cut out the 'middleman' and get protein straight from the original source. It's not only healthier but no one has to be abused and die a needless brutal death.

Animal proteins are complete. Plant based are not. We have to chemically engineer that crap for dogs to thrive.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Lol it doesnt surprise me at all how this went right over your head.

It does not surprise me at all that you are too damn stupid to look up "vegan pet food"
Take a lesson and do your own research before you ask questions

Vegan Pet Food

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Of course dogs need protein. You DO realize that you can get ample protein from plantfoods, don't you? In fact, protein originates from plants. So when you eat dismembered body parts of dead animals... the protein you're getting originally came from the plants they ate. So you're getting it second-hand, filtered through a corpse.

Vegans cut out the 'middleman' and get protein straight from the original source. It's not only healthier but no one has to be abused and die a needless brutal death.

Hello sister good to hear you preaching health "truth".

ZC

 

[TNHarley]

It does not surprise me at all that you are too damn stupid to look up "vegan pet food"
Take a lesson and do your own research before you ask questions

Vegan Pet Food

Cats are obligate carnivores, you stupid ****.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Cats are obligate carnivores, you stupid ****.

whooopty ******* doooo

 

[TNHarley]

whooopty ******* doooo
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Ok, so your answer is vegans feed cats that must have meat to thrive, grains and cereal. IE animal abuse.
Buttercups answer was much better. And humane.

 

[Twisted Gypsy Child]

Ok, so your answer is vegans feed cats that must have meat to thrive, grains and cereal. IE animal abuse.
Buttercups answer was much better. And humane.

Yes, cats are obligate carnivores and require meat in their diet. Their digestive systems are specifically adapted to consuming meat, and they lack the enzymes necessary to digest plant materials effectively. (Taurine)

Yet.. Vegan cat food contains Taurine and essential vitamins and minerals as well.
so the cat will be fine and dandy eating Vegan cat food that contains these ingredients.

Before you get any wild ideas about changing YOUR pets diet, consult YOUR veterinarian.
YOU kill YOUR pet because you screwed the diet up, YOU own it.



Yes, Benevo cat food does contain taurine. It is specifically formulated with a vegetarian source of taurine, which is an essential nutrient for cats. Benevo cat food is designed to meet the nutritional needs of cats, including those that are obligate carnivores, by providing the necessary nutrients they would typically obtain from meat.

 

[buttercup]

Animal proteins are complete. Plant based are not. We have to chemically engineer that crap for dogs to thrive.

Nutrition science is not my area of expertise, but even I know that ^ that is incorrect. And misleading.

There are complete proteins from plant sources. Quinoa, soy, buckwheat, hemp seeds and chia seeds, to name a few.

But here's the thing. We (humans and animals) are meant to eat a variety of foods. When you combine different foods, it's easy to get complete protein from plant sources...and that's what we're supposed to do anyway. For example, rice and beans. Separately they are "incomplete proteins"...but together they are a complete protein with all the essential amino acids.

Dog foods don't have to be "chemically engineered" in the negative sense that you were implying. It's standard nutrition to combine ingredients to get all the essential nutrients. And again, that's what we're supposed to do anyway, eat a variety of foods. As opposed to only eating a chopped up corpse.

 

[TNHarley]

Nutrition science is not my area of expertise, but even I know that ^ that is incorrect. And misleading.

There are complete proteins from plant sources. Quinoa, soy, buckwheat, hemp seeds and chia seeds, to name a few.

But here's the thing. We (humans and animals) are meant to eat a variety of foods. When you combine different foods, it's easy to get complete protein from plant sources...and that's what we're supposed to do anyway. For example, rice and beans. Separately they are "incomplete proteins"...but together they are a complete protein with all the essential amino acids.

Dog foods don't have to be "chemically engineered" in the negative sense that you were implying. It's standard nutrition to combine ingredients to get all the essential nutrients. And again, that's what we're supposed to do anyway, eat a variety of foods. As opposed to only eating a chopped up corpse.


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Nope. They dont have the right amino ratio. So your body has to do it. Or in this case, their bodies. Meat proteins are complete.
There are obviously a couple plants that are, but even then, its not all strains of it.
Yes, I agree, I went a bit far with the chemical thing lolz

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Nope. They dont have the right amino ratio. So your body has to do it. Or in this case, their bodies. Meat proteins are complete.
There are obviously a couple plants that are, but even then, its not all strains of it.
Yes, I agree, I went a bit far with the chemical thing lolz

You have no idea how wrong you are. Dogs are no more fragile than humans. There ARE COMPLETE, vegan dog foods. But even that isn't totally necessary. Like humans, their bodies can create many nutrients they need from a basic diet with the basic building blocks. And like humans, VARIETY in the diet ensures they'll get the nutrients they need

AI Overview

Yes, there are multiple brands that offer plant-based, complete, and balanced dog foods, such as V-dog , Wild Earth , and Halo , which are formulated to provide all the essential nutrients that dogs need without animal products. These foods often use high-quality plant-based protein sources and are developed to meet the nutritional requirements for dogs.


Examples of plant-based dog food brands

• V-dog: A vegan-owned and operated company offering 100% plant-powered kibble and treats.
  
  
• Wild Earth: A brand known for its plant-based formulas, including a performance formula with flavors like Veggie Chick'n Kabob.
  
  
• Halo: Offers vegan options, available at various retailers.
  
  
• Natural Balance: Provides a vegetarian dry dog formula designed for adult dogs.
  
  
• Petaluma: Focuses on organic, sustainably sourced ingredients for their plant-based dog food.
  
  
• The Pack: Offers a balanced, plant-based formula and is founded by individuals invested in plant-based companies.

Important Considerations

• Nutritional Completeness:
  Ensure any plant-based dog food you choose is complete and balanced, meaning it provides all necessary vitamins, minerals, and other nutrients in the correct ratios for a dog's health.
• Taurine and L-Carnitine:
  These are essential nutrients for dogs, and high-quality vegan diets will include them.
• Ingredient Sourcing:
  Look for brands that are transparent about their ingredients, manufacturing processes, and nutritional testing to ensure quality and safety.