What Do They See In America?

[ShackledNation]

I just thought of something. Is it because America is exceptional that those immigrants are coming here in the first place? So, what do they see in America that Obama doesn't? It's sad that foreigners and illegal aliens have more pride in America that the President does right now. Frankly, they see more promise in this nation than Obama does.

Think about that one, long and hard.

The people who immigrate to the United States come to the United States from poor countries. Those who come from China and India usually bring high IQ's and good educations. The rest are fleeing poverty and crime in their own countries.

There is not an influx of Europeans fleeing the presumed horrors of democratic socialism. Europeans tend to see the United States as a violent, vulgar uncouth country, run for the rich with the support of a white proletariat and peasantry that is too stupid, too ignorant, and too bigoted to understand that by voting Republican they are voting against their economic interests.

A lot of Europeans want to come here, but they can't. It's almost impossible for a European to come here unless they marry an American citizen. That's thanks to Teddy Kennedy's changes in the immigration law in the 60's. In fact, most of our problems with immigration today can be traced directly to Teddy and his immigration bill which made it easy for people from 3rd world countries to come here while simultaneously making it almost impossible for people from first world nations to come here.

Why is it almost impossible for a European to come here? Could you point out what specifically about the law makes it nearly impossible? Nations like Britain don't even use up their quota, so I find it hard to believe that people in Europe are waiting in line unable to come here.

 

[Againsheila]

The people who immigrate to the United States come to the United States from poor countries. Those who come from China and India usually bring high IQ's and good educations. The rest are fleeing poverty and crime in their own countries.

There is not an influx of Europeans fleeing the presumed horrors of democratic socialism. Europeans tend to see the United States as a violent, vulgar uncouth country, run for the rich with the support of a white proletariat and peasantry that is too stupid, too ignorant, and too bigoted to understand that by voting Republican they are voting against their economic interests.

A lot of Europeans want to come here, but they can't. It's almost impossible for a European to come here unless they marry an American citizen. That's thanks to Teddy Kennedy's changes in the immigration law in the 60's. In fact, most of our problems with immigration today can be traced directly to Teddy and his immigration bill which made it easy for people from 3rd world countries to come here while simultaneously making it almost impossible for people from first world nations to come here.

Why is it almost impossible for a European to come here? Could you point out what specifically about the law makes it nearly impossible? Nations like Britain don't even use up their quota, so I find it hard to believe that people in Europe are waiting in line unable to come here.

My neighbor is from England. She married an American and I have another friend from England who married an American in order to stay here. I don't know what quotas you are talking about but if you talk to a European, you will find out how hard it is for them to come and stay here. Every European that I know that has immigrated here has married and American citizen. I know many people from Japan who also want to come here and can't. My friend is being sent home and she wants to stay and she's from Japan. I had another friend who was working here, but they wouldn't let him back into this country after he went home to Japan for a visit. Almost all of our immigrants not married to an American citizen are from 3rd world countries. I can't think of one of them from a first world country that isn't married to an American citizen and I know lot's of immigrants.

I do know an immigrant from India who got into England first but then was able to come here. Maybe he counts as one of your "quota?"

 

[R.C. Christian]

They want their free shit. That's what they see. Well guess what? Ain't going to happen.

 

[ShackledNation]

A lot of Europeans want to come here, but they can't. It's almost impossible for a European to come here unless they marry an American citizen. That's thanks to Teddy Kennedy's changes in the immigration law in the 60's. In fact, most of our problems with immigration today can be traced directly to Teddy and his immigration bill which made it easy for people from 3rd world countries to come here while simultaneously making it almost impossible for people from first world nations to come here.

Why is it almost impossible for a European to come here? Could you point out what specifically about the law makes it nearly impossible? Nations like Britain don't even use up their quota, so I find it hard to believe that people in Europe are waiting in line unable to come here.

My neighbor is from England. She married an American and I have another friend from England who married an American in order to stay here. I don't know what quotas you are talking about but if you talk to a European, you will find out how hard it is for them to come and stay here. Every European that I know that has immigrated here has married and American citizen. I know many people from Japan who also want to come here and can't. My friend is being sent home and she wants to stay and she's from Japan. I had another friend who was working here, but they wouldn't let him back into this country after he went home to Japan for a visit. Almost all of our immigrants not married to an American citizen are from 3rd world countries. I can't think of one of them from a first world country that isn't married to an American citizen and I know lot's of immigrants.

I do know an immigrant from India who got into England first but then was able to come here. Maybe he counts as one of your "quota?"

That every European immigrant you know came here by marriage does not mean that it is nearly impossible for immigrants from Europe to come here by other means. That logic simply does not follow. In fact, saying every european immigrant you know came by marriage is totally irrelevant.

It could simply mean that:
(a)Europeans generally dont want to immigrate to America, but will do so if they find love here
(b)Your experiences are anecdotal and limited

Why do you put quota in quotes? You do realize that is how our system works, no? Each country has a quota of the number of immigrants who can come here. The quotas have generally favored European immigrants, actually. Again, please point me specifically to what makes it harder for Europeans to come here than everyone else. The fact that the UK does not even meet its quota is evidence that no such law exists.

In fact, 12% of all immigrants currently living in the U.S. are from Europe, despite Europe being only 10% of the global population.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/european-immigrants-united-states

 

[Againsheila]

Why is it almost impossible for a European to come here? Could you point out what specifically about the law makes it nearly impossible? Nations like Britain don't even use up their quota, so I find it hard to believe that people in Europe are waiting in line unable to come here.

My neighbor is from England. She married an American and I have another friend from England who married an American in order to stay here. I don't know what quotas you are talking about but if you talk to a European, you will find out how hard it is for them to come and stay here. Every European that I know that has immigrated here has married and American citizen. I know many people from Japan who also want to come here and can't. My friend is being sent home and she wants to stay and she's from Japan. I had another friend who was working here, but they wouldn't let him back into this country after he went home to Japan for a visit. Almost all of our immigrants not married to an American citizen are from 3rd world countries. I can't think of one of them from a first world country that isn't married to an American citizen and I know lot's of immigrants.

I do know an immigrant from India who got into England first but then was able to come here. Maybe he counts as one of your "quota?"

That every European immigrant you know came here by marriage does not mean that it is nearly impossible for immigrants from Europe to come here by other means. That logic simply does not follow. In fact, saying every european immigrant you know came by marriage is totally irrelevant.

It could simply mean that:
(a)Europeans generally dont want to immigrate to America, but will do so if they find love here
(b)Your experiences are anecdotal and limited

Why do you put quota in quotes? You do realize that is how our system works, no? Each country has a quota of the number of immigrants who can come here. The quotas have generally favored European immigrants, actually. Again, please point me specifically to what makes it harder for Europeans to come here than everyone else. The fact that the UK does not even meet its quota is evidence that no such law exists.

This is why I put quota in quotation marks: The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s,

and then there's this:

In order to convince the American people of the legislation's merits, its proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions",[4] while Secretary of State Dean Rusk estimated only a few thousand Indian immigrants over the next five years, and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove grossly inaccurate

 

[ShackledNation]

My neighbor is from England. She married an American and I have another friend from England who married an American in order to stay here. I don't know what quotas you are talking about but if you talk to a European, you will find out how hard it is for them to come and stay here. Every European that I know that has immigrated here has married and American citizen. I know many people from Japan who also want to come here and can't. My friend is being sent home and she wants to stay and she's from Japan. I had another friend who was working here, but they wouldn't let him back into this country after he went home to Japan for a visit. Almost all of our immigrants not married to an American citizen are from 3rd world countries. I can't think of one of them from a first world country that isn't married to an American citizen and I know lot's of immigrants.

I do know an immigrant from India who got into England first but then was able to come here. Maybe he counts as one of your "quota?"

That every European immigrant you know came here by marriage does not mean that it is nearly impossible for immigrants from Europe to come here by other means. That logic simply does not follow. In fact, saying every european immigrant you know came by marriage is totally irrelevant.

It could simply mean that:
(a)Europeans generally dont want to immigrate to America, but will do so if they find love here
(b)Your experiences are anecdotal and limited

Why do you put quota in quotes? You do realize that is how our system works, no? Each country has a quota of the number of immigrants who can come here. The quotas have generally favored European immigrants, actually. Again, please point me specifically to what makes it harder for Europeans to come here than everyone else. The fact that the UK does not even meet its quota is evidence that no such law exists.

This is why I put quota in quotation marks: The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s,

and then there's this:

In order to convince the American people of the legislation's merits, its proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions",[4] while Secretary of State Dean Rusk estimated only a few thousand Indian immigrants over the next five years, and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove grossly inaccurate

Um...we still have quotas. Your link even says so:

"The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota"

The US Citizenship and Immigration Services specifically talks about the per-country limit.

The national origins set the quota based on the current racial demographics of the U.S. population. That formulation was abolished--not quotas. Ironically, the 1965 act added more quotas--the National Origins framework had no quotas for the Western Hemisphere (including Latin America). The 1965 law added quotas to the western hemisphere.

Johnson was wrong about the bill. You are wrong that it has no quotas.

 

[Tank]

Immigration Act: 1965

 

[Againsheila]

That every European immigrant you know came here by marriage does not mean that it is nearly impossible for immigrants from Europe to come here by other means. That logic simply does not follow. In fact, saying every european immigrant you know came by marriage is totally irrelevant.

It could simply mean that:
(a)Europeans generally dont want to immigrate to America, but will do so if they find love here
(b)Your experiences are anecdotal and limited

Why do you put quota in quotes? You do realize that is how our system works, no? Each country has a quota of the number of immigrants who can come here. The quotas have generally favored European immigrants, actually. Again, please point me specifically to what makes it harder for Europeans to come here than everyone else. The fact that the UK does not even meet its quota is evidence that no such law exists.

This is why I put quota in quotation marks: The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s,

and then there's this:

In order to convince the American people of the legislation's merits, its proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions",[4] while Secretary of State Dean Rusk estimated only a few thousand Indian immigrants over the next five years, and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove grossly inaccurate

Um...we still have quotas. Your link even says so:

"The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota"

The US Citizenship and Immigration Services specifically talks about the per-country limit.

The national origins set the quota based on the current racial demographics of the U.S. population. That formulation was abolished--not quotas.

Johnson was wrong about the bill. You are wrong that it has no quotas.

I hate to break it to you, but we take in a hell of a lot more than 170,000 legal immigrants per year. So what happened to your "quota" system? Apparently a lot of countries are exceeded said quota. Other countries aren't making their said quota because they are being denied entry, not because they don't want to come.

 

[ShackledNation]

This is why I put quota in quotation marks: The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s,

and then there's this:

In order to convince the American people of the legislation's merits, its proponents assured that passage would not influence America's culture significantly. President Johnson called the bill "not a revolutionary bill. It does not affect the lives of millions",[4] while Secretary of State Dean Rusk estimated only a few thousand Indian immigrants over the next five years, and other politicians, including Senator Ted Kennedy, hastened to reassure the populace that the demographic mix would not be affected; these assertions would later prove grossly inaccurate

Um...we still have quotas. Your link even says so:

"The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota"

The US Citizenship and Immigration Services specifically talks about the per-country limit.

The national origins set the quota based on the current racial demographics of the U.S. population. That formulation was abolished--not quotas.

Johnson was wrong about the bill. You are wrong that it has no quotas.

I hate to break it to you, but we take in a hell of a lot more than 170,000 legal immigrants per year. So what happened to your "quota" system? Apparently a lot of countries are exceeded said quota. Other countries aren't making their said quota because they are being denied entry, not because they don't want to come.

Strawman. Of course we take in more than that. The 1990 Immigration Act increased the ceiling. I am only discussing the 1965 act because you brought it up as proof we don't have quotas--which is false. The act set western hemisphere quotas for the first time, and kept per-country quotas. The law has since been reformed so now we have a global quota instead of two hemispheres, but per-country quotas still remain. You demonstrated that you have no idea that the U.S. still has quotas in our immigration system, were proven dead wrong, and now you are trying to save face. Just admit you had a misunderstanding--there is no harm in that.

 

[Againsheila]

Um...we still have quotas. Your link even says so:

"The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents. Numerical restrictions on visas were set at 170,000 per year, with a per-country-of-origin quota"

The US Citizenship and Immigration Services specifically talks about the per-country limit.

The national origins set the quota based on the current racial demographics of the U.S. population. That formulation was abolished--not quotas.

Johnson was wrong about the bill. You are wrong that it has no quotas.

I hate to break it to you, but we take in a hell of a lot more than 170,000 legal immigrants per year. So what happened to your "quota" system? Apparently a lot of countries are exceeded said quota. Other countries aren't making their said quota because they are being denied entry, not because they don't want to come.

Strawman. Of course we take in more than that. The 1990 Immigration Act increased the ceiling. I am only discussing the 1965 act because you brought it up as proof we don't have quotas--which is false. The act set western hemisphere quotas for the first time, and kept per-country quotas. The law has since been reformed so now we have a global quota instead of two hemispheres, but per-country quotas still remain. You demonstrated that you have no idea that the U.S. still has quotas in our immigration system, were proven dead wrong, and now you are trying to save face. Just admit you had a misunderstanding--there is no harm in that.

You and I have two very different definitions of the word "quota". I'll admit to that.

The same document that says quotas were were ended goes on to talk about quotas. It's just a bunch of legalize. The point is that we let in far more people from 3rd world countries than from first would countries. It's wrong and it has changed the make up of our country in spite of the promises made at the time of it's passing.

 

[ShackledNation]

I hate to break it to you, but we take in a hell of a lot more than 170,000 legal immigrants per year. So what happened to your "quota" system? Apparently a lot of countries are exceeded said quota. Other countries aren't making their said quota because they are being denied entry, not because they don't want to come.

Strawman. Of course we take in more than that. The 1990 Immigration Act increased the ceiling. I am only discussing the 1965 act because you brought it up as proof we don't have quotas--which is false. The act set western hemisphere quotas for the first time, and kept per-country quotas. The law has since been reformed so now we have a global quota instead of two hemispheres, but per-country quotas still remain. You demonstrated that you have no idea that the U.S. still has quotas in our immigration system, were proven dead wrong, and now you are trying to save face. Just admit you had a misunderstanding--there is no harm in that.

You and I have two very different definitions of the word "quota". I'll admit to that.

The same document that says quotas were were ended goes on to talk about quotas. It's just a bunch of legalize. The point is that we let in far more people from 3rd world countries than from first would countries. It's wrong and it has changed the make up of our country in spite of the promises made at the time of it's passing.

Here is my definition of quota, from the dictionary:

"Quota: a limited or fixed number or amount of people or things, in particular."

Under that definition, the U.S. has per-country quotas, for a limited amount of people can come to the United States from each country. What is your definition of quota?

Your confusion may lie in the fact that some immigrants meet the definition of a "non-quota" immigrant and are not counted in their country's quota. Marriage to a U.S. citizen follows under this category, for example.

 

[Againsheila]

Strawman. Of course we take in more than that. The 1990 Immigration Act increased the ceiling. I am only discussing the 1965 act because you brought it up as proof we don't have quotas--which is false. The act set western hemisphere quotas for the first time, and kept per-country quotas. The law has since been reformed so now we have a global quota instead of two hemispheres, but per-country quotas still remain. You demonstrated that you have no idea that the U.S. still has quotas in our immigration system, were proven dead wrong, and now you are trying to save face. Just admit you had a misunderstanding--there is no harm in that.

You and I have two very different definitions of the word "quota". I'll admit to that.

The same document that says quotas were were ended goes on to talk about quotas. It's just a bunch of legalize. The point is that we let in far more people from 3rd world countries than from first would countries. It's wrong and it has changed the make up of our country in spite of the promises made at the time of it's passing.

Here is my definition of quota, from the dictionary:

"Quota: a limited or fixed number or amount of people or things, in particular."

Under that definition, the U.S. has per-country quotas, for a limited amount of people can come to the United States from each country. What is your definition of quota?

Your confusion may lie in the fact that some immigrants meet the definition of a "non-quota" immigrant and are not counted in their country's quota. Marriage to a U.S. citizen follows under this category, for example.

No, my confusion lands in the following:

The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents.

 

[ShackledNation]

You and I have two very different definitions of the word "quota". I'll admit to that.

The same document that says quotas were were ended goes on to talk about quotas. It's just a bunch of legalize. The point is that we let in far more people from 3rd world countries than from first would countries. It's wrong and it has changed the make up of our country in spite of the promises made at the time of it's passing.

Here is my definition of quota, from the dictionary:

"Quota: a limited or fixed number or amount of people or things, in particular."

Under that definition, the U.S. has per-country quotas, for a limited amount of people can come to the United States from each country. What is your definition of quota?

Your confusion may lie in the fact that some immigrants meet the definition of a "non-quota" immigrant and are not counted in their country's quota. Marriage to a U.S. citizen follows under this category, for example.

No, my confusion lands in the following:

The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents.

Well then it shouldn't have, because if one quota system is abolished, the replacement system may very well just be a different type of quota system. There is no reason to assume it wont be--the entry said the national origins quota system was abolished, not any type of quota. Furthermore, if you read the next sentence in wikipedia (as I have already quoted for you) it explicitly states that the new system has quotas.

So regardless of why you are confused, there are still immigration quotas per country, with the exception to those quotas being non-quota immigrants. Now tell me again: why is it impossible for Europeans to come here?

 

[Tank]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P7d7wuuZjo]They Come To America - Illegals speaking out - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Againsheila]

Here is my definition of quota, from the dictionary:

"Quota: a limited or fixed number or amount of people or things, in particular."

Under that definition, the U.S. has per-country quotas, for a limited amount of people can come to the United States from each country. What is your definition of quota?

Your confusion may lie in the fact that some immigrants meet the definition of a "non-quota" immigrant and are not counted in their country's quota. Marriage to a U.S. citizen follows under this category, for example.

No, my confusion lands in the following:

The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents.

Well then it shouldn't have, because if one quota system is abolished, the replacement system may very well just be a different type of quota system. There is no reason to assume it wont be--the entry said the national origins quota system was abolished, not any type of quota. Furthermore, if you read the next sentence in wikipedia (as I have already quoted for you) it explicitly states that the new system has quotas.

So regardless of why you are confused, there are still immigration quotas per country, with the exception to those quotas being non-quota immigrants. Now tell me again: why is it impossible for Europeans to come here?

I didn't, I said it was nearly impossible. Part of that has to do with geography. The new immigration laws put emphasis on families (though I don't understand why they would never let my brother bring his mother in law here from Thailand). Illegals come across the border and drop a baby. They they have their "anchor baby" and they use that baby to come in and bring all their relations and for some reason, it works for them, just doesn't seem to work for American citizens who've always followed the law.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I just thought of something. Is it because America is exceptional that those immigrants are coming here in the first place? So, what do they see in America that Obama doesn't? It's sad that foreigners and illegal aliens have more pride in America that the President does right now. Frankly, they see more promise in this nation than Obama does.

Think about that one, long and hard.

They see free handouts.

 

[deltex1]

Hispaniggahs ...

DRUDGE REPORT 2014®

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Perhaps contact the news media? Bring it to the fore. The more exposure, the more she might find someone that can help her stay and start legal proceedings to become a citizen.

Yeah, let's start bringing radioactive Japs over here now. What next, the entire Chinese population?

 

[Againsheila]

Perhaps contact the news media? Bring it to the fore. The more exposure, the more she might find someone that can help her stay and start legal proceedings to become a citizen.

Yeah, let's start bringing radioactive Japs over here now. What next, the entire Chinese population?

I think that's the point. We are bringing in thousands of illegals due to gang violence but we don't do a thing for those exposed to radiation. Why? What the hell is wrong with this country?

 

[ShackledNation]

No, my confusion lands in the following:

The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that was American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or U.S. residents.

Well then it shouldn't have, because if one quota system is abolished, the replacement system may very well just be a different type of quota system. There is no reason to assume it wont be--the entry said the national origins quota system was abolished, not any type of quota. Furthermore, if you read the next sentence in wikipedia (as I have already quoted for you) it explicitly states that the new system has quotas.

So regardless of why you are confused, there are still immigration quotas per country, with the exception to those quotas being non-quota immigrants. Now tell me again: why is it impossible for Europeans to come here?

I didn't, I said it was nearly impossible. Part of that has to do with geography. The new immigration laws put emphasis on families (though I don't understand why they would never let my brother bring his mother in law here from Thailand). Illegals come across the border and drop a baby. They they have their "anchor baby" and they use that baby to come in and bring all their relations and for some reason, it works for them, just doesn't seem to work for American citizens who've always followed the law.

My guess about your brother's mother in law is that they are not actually related. Babies cannot be used to bring anyone over. A citizen child of an immigrant without status cannot sponsor anyone until he is 21 years of age. If the mother has a baby, she can be deported. She has to wait a full 21 years after giving birth to the baby before the citizen child even matters. The wait to be come a permanent resident is around that time already...and then once the baby is 21, the adult citizen must file a petition to bring the parents over legally and they still have to wait in line. Your point about anchor babies is moot.