What do normal people - think of Israel?

[Billo_Really]

Their edumacational, Billio.

Those that can't communicate on a higher educational level, make up their own pithy little vocabulary like middle school kids.

 

[theliq]

...I have Never said I hated Jews,and you have NO RIGHT to say otherwise

The venom dripping from that portion of your post stands sufficient guarantor for that observation.

No explicit declaration is necessary.

Common-sense deduction is adequate to the task at hand.

As to my right to say otherwise...

My own counsel will I keep, on how to interpret the use of appellations like 'scum', in connection with Israelis.

My own counsel will I keep, on whether or not I articulate that interpretation, during the course of an exchange.

My own counsel will I keep, on what my rights are.

They behave like Arrogant Scum,considering they are Jonny-come-Latelys..who are these people who think they can steal Palestinian land,a total burden to Israel........and are returning Israel to the Dark Ages.......Arrogantly think they can destroy property and murder Palestinians for their ill gains

Anyhow look back and see what you have called Palestinians......Your personal "Own Counsel" those who live in Glass Houses Kondie.....but I would like you to think about America receiving 500,000 Settlers and the deeds they have committed....It would Never be tolerated......they rightly be regarded as Scum.

This term you must understand is Not a reflection on all Israelis(this is where you get confused) You of course can say what you like and I would defend your right to say it........shame the Pal'is in Israel can't do the same or others,who are immediately branded Anti-Semites.steve

 

[theliq]

...Well thanks for you Zionist Terrorist Mantra...

No problem. All part of the friendly service.

...I hate to tell you Kondie....It was the Jews...that originated and organised REAL TERRORISM...

Truth be told, I don't really give a tinker's damn.

...."God promised Canaan and Sumeria sic plus Moab" to the Israelites........and because of this, the Jews are entitled to this land......What Rot....you are an educated Guy Kondie......do you really think this ????????...

Nope. I don't really give a tinker's damn about that either. What signifies with me is (1) their ancient spiritual claim to the land and (2) their present control of the land.

...you are right in saying the Jews out smarted the Palestinians to claim the Palestinian Lands,but in your eagerness to arrogantly try to take the high grown,you have thrown down the gauntlet to say that the Palestinians could always do the same to Israel.as Israel did to them....

I do not believe that the one follows the other. Any such window of opportunity for the Palestinians to do the same evaporated during the 1948-1949 timeframe.

...Israel may have the upper hand today but it is what happens in the future...

Indeed. Israel will have the upper hand tomorrow, as well.

...Israel despite spending Billions of $(more likely America money) in trying to improve their image over the past 40 years have failed as a nation,have failed as part of the World community...

Israel does just fine in that regard, in most respects. Their only failure to date is that they have not yet completed the expulsion of the remaining squatters from Rump Palestine.

...It, as I said,should have been so different,the world order is changing at a rapid rate and Israel more than most have missed the boat and the opportunity to encompass...and it all has to do with the change from secularism to fanatism..sic...Great leaders like Mr Rabin(who the Jews assassinated themselves) and Mr Peres knew what should have happened but the moment is lost for ever..steve

Oh, I'm sure that your reliance upon the Changing Wave of the Future - so to speak - is appealing, and comforting; however, it has not yet materialized, and, frankly, I seriously doubt that it will in future, either.

We have irreconcilable opinions and differing prognosis for our various patients.

The only thing that evaporates is liquid and the Palestinians are not water.....you never mentioned in your prose...Why you Assassinated YOUR FORMER PRIME MINISTER and Defence Force Chief........Mr Rabin....just saying..steve....it was at this point that Israel changed for ever and the World realized what some of you had become.

 

[Kondor3]

That's OK...

For the longest time, yours consisted of F-bombs and photoshop pictures of retired US battleships taken out of mothballs and firing on Israelis...

Pot... meet kettle.

And on those occasions where you open your mouth and attempt to make a lucid point, you confirm to the world, just how stupid you really are.

Awwwwww... I don't think you liked my assessment of your modus operandi... tsk, tsk, tsk.

Truth is, we all stand in absolute awe of your overwhelmingly superior intellect, Junior - especially me - being so inferior to yourself in all such respects...

 

[Kondor3]

Their edumacational, Billio.

Those that can't communicate on a higher educational level, make up their own pithy little vocabulary like middle school kids.

Pity that you had not taken such a tack with respect to your own conduct, during your earlier times here - you would not now be suffering from such a Credibility Gap.

 

[Kondor3]

...I have Never said I hated Jews,and you have NO RIGHT to say otherwise

The venom dripping from that portion of your post stands sufficient guarantor for that observation.

No explicit declaration is necessary.

Common-sense deduction is adequate to the task at hand.

As to my right to say otherwise...

My own counsel will I keep, on how to interpret the use of appellations like 'scum', in connection with Israelis.

My own counsel will I keep, on whether or not I articulate that interpretation, during the course of an exchange.

My own counsel will I keep, on what my rights are.

They behave like Arrogant Scum,considering they are Jonny-come-Latelys..who are these people who think they can steal Palestinian land,a total burden to Israel........and are returning Israel to the Dark Ages.......Arrogantly think they can destroy property and murder Palestinians for their ill gains

Anyhow look back and see what you have called Palestinians......Your personal "Own Counsel" those who live in Glass Houses Kondie.....but I would like you to think about America receiving 500,000 Settlers and the deeds they have committed....It would Never be tolerated......they rightly be regarded as Scum.

This term you must understand is Not a reflection on all Israelis(this is where you get confused) You of course can say what you like and I would defend your right to say it........shame the Pal'is in Israel can't do the same or others,who are immediately branded Anti-Semites.steve

Yes, yes, yes... now comes the inevitable and ever-popular Juicy Rationalizations... but you've already tainted the deck, and that taint cannot be rationalized away.

 

[toastman]

Anyone else find it ironic that the op is not eligible to answer the question in the opening post ?

 

[Kondor3]

...The only thing that evaporates is liquid and the Palestinians are not water...

Their opportunity to 'do the same' to the Israelis (outsmart them, in connection with land-grabs) evaporated in 1948-1949, when they undertook the Great Arab Skeddaddle of 1948, and all the wishing and propagandizing in the world isn't going to cause that to re-materialize.

...Why you Assassinated YOUR FORMER PRIME MINISTER and Defence Force Chief...

Lame segue. I neither know nor care how Prime Minister or Chief A or B or C died over there.

 

[cnm]

You can't be serious.

Well, okay, if you insist that one can determine what one thinks of US policies and actions by what one thinks of Christians you'd know better than me no doubt.

 

[cnm]

You and your compatriots would have had a much easier time, had you not pursued this 'normal people' fallacy that you seem hell-bent upon continuing, even though it's not working, but, given your intransigence - which is highly symmetrical with that of those for whom you advocate - it's not terribly surprising - merely comical, and worth counterpointing.

And yet no one will provide a different view as to what normal people think of Israel to this
2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf

Instead it's a chorus of 'no it isn't' when it plainly is. Oh well, Israel apologists, it's what they do, deny evidence then refuse to produce any to back up their case

 

[Kondor3]

You and your compatriots would have had a much easier time, had you not pursued this 'normal people' fallacy that you seem hell-bent upon continuing, even though it's not working, but, given your intransigence - which is highly symmetrical with that of those for whom you advocate - it's not terribly surprising - merely comical, and worth counterpointing.

And yet no one will provide a different view as to what normal people think of Israel to this
2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf

Instead it's a chorus of 'no it isn't' when it plainly is. Oh well, Israel apologists, it's what they do, deny evidence then refuse to produce any to back up their case

One single poll undertaken in 22 countries by one single international news service is hardly conclusive proof of worldwide negative views of Israel.

But even if the results here are anywhere even remotely approximating accurate...

There is no scientific (nor even solid anecdotal) basis for styling this as a 'Normal People' versus 'Abnormal People' sort of comparison.

For example, I would not refer to the Jew-hating populations of the Middle East as 'normal' - rather, 'abnormal', by any rational standard.

And, last time I looked, the Jews of Israel were not particularly concerned about winning this year's Miss Congeniality Contest.

 

[cnm]

Three years of polls. And still you won't provide any evidence the polls are wrong, You just deny. Well, it is what Israel apologists do.

Even the most cursory examination of Google as to opinions of Israel must lead to despondency and another round of 'no it isn't'' on the part of Israel apologists.

The bit I don't get is that if Israel and Israel supporters are so staunch why not just say - 'yes, the world sees Israel as a rogue nation, screw the world' - instead of trying to pretend a negative view of Israel is not the norm?

 

[Mindful]

omg

If I had a flunkey like Beezlybub, I'd be so insulted.

 

[gtopa1]

I wonder why the Pew Polls I provided earlier are not considered by the left to be more reflective of world opinion?

Greg

 

[Mindful]

I wonder why the Pew Polls I provided earlier are not considered by the left to be more reflective of world opinion?

Greg

I gave up on the left and their reflections, years ago.

 

[cnm]

I wonder why the Pew Polls I provided earlier are not considered by the left to be more reflective of world opinion?

Greg

Because you're too stupid to be able to collate them and present them in a useful form.

 

[gtopa1]

I wonder why the Pew Polls I provided earlier are not considered by the left to be more reflective of world opinion?

Greg

Because you're too stupid to be able to collate them and present them in a useful form.

You give credibility to the old joke: Question: What's long, hard and fvcks kiwis? Answer: Primary school!!! That you didn't have the ability to interpret them is MY problem??

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Seems your old forum master has shut it down. What happened; Steve get sick of Ugs?

Greg

 

[Mindful]

I wonder why the Pew Polls I provided earlier are not considered by the left to be more reflective of world opinion?

Greg

Because you're too stupid to be able to collate them and present them in a useful form.

You give credibility to the old joke: Question: What's long, hard and fvcks kiwis? Answer: Primary school!!! That you didn't have the ability to interpret them is MY problem??

Greg

Polls tend to be unreliable. I've just been reading about them.

 

[cnm]

That you didn't have the ability to interpret them is MY problem??

Only if you want to get your point across. I've been able to get my point across using conveniently presented graphics, most of them supplied by others admittedly. But then, who knows what was the import of the data? Not you, I'd suggest.

That no one will bother trying to make sense of your usual incoherent efforts means your exertions, such as they were, are wasted.

You'll note none of the apologists could be bothered collating whatever data that was into useful information.