What do normal people - think of Israel?

[Kondor3]

I provided evidence of what normal people think of Israel. That such evidence will be denied by Israel apologists without countering evidence being provided has been demonstrated throughout this thread, your post merely continued the practice.

But here you go, you can deny it again.

013 Country Rating Poll.pdf

Who gives a frog's fat ass what some slanted opinion poll says about Israel?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I provided evidence of what normal people think of Israel. That such evidence will be denied by Israel apologists without countering evidence being provided has been demonstrated throughout this thread, your post merely continued the practice.

But here you go, you can deny it again.

2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf

I see. So, what you are saying is that "normal" people are just stupid, mindless drones devoid of original thought who hate Jews just because other mindless drones hate Jews, as all that counts in their benightedly unoriginal little worlds is this display of lock step conformity to a brand of group think that depends upon their inability to think in even remotely rational terms.

Got it.

 

[cnm]

Who mentioned Jews? These normal people are giving opinions about Israel. But I can see one cannot depend on your reading comprehension.

Got it.

What I actually said was that Israel apologists will deny evidence without producing evidence to the contrary. This continues to be true.

Even you will have got that.

 

[cnm]

Who gives a frog's fat ass what some slanted opinion poll says about Israel?

Only Israel apologists consider it slanted, and only because they wish to deny the evidence of what normal people think about Israel.

 

[Kondor3]

Who gives a frog's fat ass what some slanted opinion poll says about Israel?

Only Israel apologists consider it slanted, and only because they wish to deny the evidence of what normal people think about Israel.

Apologist?

Hardly.

Israel kicks ass, and apologizes to no one, and needs no one to apologize for her.

And thinks nothing of Arab butt-kissers.

 

[Vigilante]

If only America had a man like Bibi, instead of a pansy!

Netanyahu: Revoke Citizenship Of Those Calling for Destruction of Israel

Israel News Agency ^

By Israel News Agency StaffJerusalem — November 8 … Part of the following was communicated by the Israel Prime Minister’s Office to the Israel News Agency. Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has released the following statement this evening: “Israel is a nation of law. We will not tolerate disturbances and rioting. We will act against those who throw stones, block roads and call for the establishment of a Palestinian state in place of the State of Israel. Whoever does not honor Israeli law will be punished with utmost severity. I will instruct the Interior Minister to evaluate revoking the citizenship...

 

[theliq]

Who gives a frog's fat ass what some slanted opinion poll says about Israel?

Only Israel apologists consider it slanted, and only because they wish to deny the evidence of what normal people think about Israel.

Apologist?

Hardly.

Israel kicks ass, and apologizes to no one, and needs no one to apologize for her.

And thinks nothing of Arab butt-kissers.

Kondor you live in a myopic world of hideous(look the word up)denial.....Recently I met a Christian volunteer who went to the OCCUPIED TERRORIES to escort Palestinian children to school...to PROTECT THEM from VERBAL and PHYSICAL VIOLENCE by the Israeli Settlers(SCUM).

Violence against Arab kids??Christian volunteers to protect them???From Jewish Settlers??

In 1977 there were 25,000 Settlers...It was easy to believe the Israelis were holding the West Bank only as a bargaining chip.Arabs(Palestinians they said) were Terrorists.

Now the OCCUPATION has lasted 47 years.There are over 500,000 Settlers!!!!!!!Up to 60% of the Israeli cabinet is on record as Opposing a Two State solution.

Israel has gone from the secular to backward religious (we are talking pre 2000 years ago mentality) Israel has become a backward nation....the previous Secular majority of more educated Jews,have been leaving Israel in vast numbers over the last 20 years......I have met many....They feel there is no future there for them.....Their place taken by Ignorant foreigners......and Religious Meat Heads.

Normal people distrust this ever increasing ignorant Israel.....even Jews within and outside Israel

The World has passed judgement on current Israel,even active supporters of Israel in the past.....THEY don't like it..More of.the World recognise Palestine more than they do Israel with numbers growing...Israel in reality has few friends,it could have been so different.

Israel is a country built on lies and deception,violence and bad faith.....you may have been winning the battles and dispossesing the Palestinians but history shows Israel will never defeat the Palestinians.

Israel basically painted themselves into a corner by stealth and arrogance.....which in my opinion in time they will never get out of....The World is angry and bored with Israel's machinations over the past years...pleading an innocence....when infact they are the perpatraters sic of bad faith.

I doubt now Israel despite their awful past under Christians,Russians,Nazis throughout their history..........but never the Palestinians by the way.....can change.

The World are basically fed up with this nation Israel......everyone's tried of Israel,but everyone now knows what they are as a nation, untrustworthy to deal with.

Palestine has many more friends who will help them despite Israels intrusions and theft of Palestinian Land..steve

 

[cnm]

Apologist?

Yes. An Israel apologist tries to explain away a poll showing what normal people think of Israel by saying it's slanted when the methodology of the poll is clear and normal.

 

[cnm]

Apologist?

Hardly.

Israel kicks ass, and apologizes to no one, and needs no one to apologize for her.

You guys just haven't quite got the hang of evidence, have you? An Israel apologist trait.

Israeli government apologises to New Zealand

Israeli government apologises to New Zealand - National - NZ Herald News

Israel has apologised for the spy scandal and has promised it will take steps to ensure no similar incident happens again.

Prime Minister Helen Clark today said she was pleased New Zealand and Israel would now be able to resume friendly diplomatic relations.

 

[cnm]

If only America had a man like Bibi, instead of a pansy!

I think the US has been through that. It had a civil war to maintain apartheid states, which failed.

 

[Hossfly]

Apologist?

Yes. An Israel apologist tries to explain away a poll showing what normal people think of Israel by saying it's slanted when the methodology of the poll is clear and normal.

Who are the "normal" people?

 

[Hossfly]

Who gives a frog's fat ass what some slanted opinion poll says about Israel?

Only Israel apologists consider it slanted, and only because they wish to deny the evidence of what normal people think about Israel.

Apologist?

Hardly.

Israel kicks ass, and apologizes to no one, and needs no one to apologize for her.

And thinks nothing of Arab butt-kissers.

Kondor you live in a myopic world of hideous(look the word up)denial.....Recently I met a Christian volunteer who went to the OCCUPIED TERRORIES to escort Palestinian children to school...to PROTECT THEM from VERBAL and PHYSICAL VIOLENCE by the Israeli Settlers(SCUM).

Violence against Arab kids??Christian volunteers to protect them???From Jewish Settlers??

In 1977 there were 25,000 Settlers...It was easy to believe the Israelis were holding the West Bank only as a bargaining chip.Arabs(Palestinians they said) were Terrorists.

Now the OCCUPATION has lasted 47 years.There are over 500,000 Settlers!!!!!!!Up to 60% of the Israeli cabinet is on record as Opposing a Two State solution.

Israel has gone from the secular to backward religious (we are talking pre 2000 years ago mentality) Israel has become a backward nation....the previous Secular majority of more educated Jews,have been leaving Israel in vast numbers over the last 20 years......I have met many....They feel there is no future there for them.....Their place taken by Ignorant foreigners......and Religious Meat Heads.

Normal people distrust this ever increasing ignorant Israel.....even Jews within and outside Israel

The World has passed judgement on current Israel,even active supporters of Israel in the past.....THEY don't like it..More of.the World recognise Palestine more than they do Israel with numbers growing...Israel in reality has few friends,it could have been so different.

Israel is a country built on lies and deception,violence and bad faith.....you may have been winning the battles and dispossesing the Palestinians but history shows Israel will never defeat the Palestinians.

Israel basically painted themselves into a corner by stealth and arrogance.....which in my opinion in time they will never get out of....The World is angry and bored with Israel's machinations over the past years...pleading an innocence....when infact they are the perpatraters sic of bad faith.

I doubt now Israel despite their awful past under Christians,Russians,Nazis throughout their history..........but never the Palestinians by the way.....can change.

The World are basically fed up with this nation Israel......everyone's tried of Israel,but everyone now knows what they are as a nation, untrustworthy to deal with.

Palestine has many more friends who will help them despite Israels intrusions and theft of Palestinian Land..steve

There's only room now for one state, Steve. The Arabs have to go back to their native lands.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Who are the "normal" people?

As CNM has described them, "normal" people are stupid, mindless, and uneducated children with no understanding of moral reasoning, no recognition of the psychology of social dynamics in regards to the tyranny of the majority, no comprehension of the nature of propaganda and with such an uber-conformist nature that they march in lock step as if little more than programmable automatons.

He actually seems to take pride in that. Ignorance is strength, you know.

 

[Kondor3]

Apologist?

Yes. An Israel apologist tries to explain away a poll showing what normal people think of Israel by saying it's slanted when the methodology of the poll is clear and normal.

Who are the "normal" people?

Gotta love these Militant Muslim apologists and and fifth-columnists and propaganda shills...

The Lord Haw-Haws and Tokyo Roses of the modern age.

Anybody who doesn't perceive the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the way they do, is not 'normal'.

Puh-leeeez...

 

[Kondor3]

...Kondor you live in a myopic world of hideous (look the word up) denial...

Yes. Someone advocating for the Palestinians would, indeed, portray their adversaries in just such a fashion. This does not, however, ipso facto, render your opinion operative, and I, for one, reject it as partisan. But, thank you for your feedback.

...Recently I met a Christian volunteer who went to the OCCUPIED TERRORIES to escort Palestinian children to school...to PROTECT THEM from VERBAL and PHYSICAL VIOLENCE by the Israeli Settlers(SCUM)...

The Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred dripping from your bombast tells us all we need to know.

...Violence against Arab kids??Christian volunteers to protect them???From Jewish Settlers??...

After sixty-six years of intermittent guerrilla and asymmetrical warfare, both sides are guilty of this, on a fairly large scale. The solution is to relocate the Losing Side and to get them out of harm's way, permanently.

...In 1977 there were 25,000 Settlers...It was easy to believe the Israelis were holding the West Bank only as a bargaining chip.Arabs(Palestinians they said) were Terrorists...

It doesn't matter.

After decades of trying to negotiate with the Mad Dog Palestinians, by 1967, the Israelis had lost much of their incentive and desire to cut a deal with the Palestinians, and, Intifadas I and II put a cap in that - shredding to bits, much of the remaining Israeli commitment to cut that deal.

By now, it should be fairly clear, that they have hardened their hearts, and have abandoned their former naive but well-intentioned hopes to cut a deal, and have moved on to the old Zionist plan of completing the Reconquista of Eretz Yislrael - see the 1922 LoN Partition Proposal Map for details.

...Now the OCCUPATION has lasted 47 years.There are over 500,000 Settlers!!!!!!!Up to 60% of the Israeli cabinet is on record as Opposing a Two State solution...

That explains how they are winning the Land-Squeeze competition - all part of the mechanical processes designed to effect the Reconquista.

...Israel has gone from the secular to backward religious (we are talking pre 2000 years ago mentality) Israel has become a backward nation...

Hardly. They have merely hardened their hearts, by abandoning any prior unrealistic hopes for a negotiated settlement, and have now begun the Reconquista in earnest - about 66 years overdue.

...the previous Secular majority of more educated Jews,have been leaving Israel in vast numbers over the last 20 years......I have met many....They feel there is no future there for them.....Their place taken by Ignorant foreigners......and Religious Meat Heads.

The Alternative Explanation is, those who are unwilling to go the distance, to complete the Reconquista on behalf of the Jews, are leaving, and those who are willing to go that distance, are staying, and arriving, in droves. Same scenario - different explanations.

...Normal people distrust this ever increasing ignorant Israel.....even Jews within and outside Israel...

Your insistence upon the use of the phrase 'normal people' is rather comical, old boy, and hardly worthy of your intellect, even as a propagandizing device.

...The World has passed judgement on current Israel,even active supporters of Israel in the past.....THEY don't like it..More of.the World recognise Palestine more than they do Israel with numbers growing...Israel in reality has few friends,it could have been so different...

The Israelis and Palestinians could have negotiated a two-state solution, in the first few decades after the establishment of the State of Israel, but that window of opportunity has come and gone.

It is no longer safe for the Israelis, to allow the Palestinians to live alongside them, and, of course, it has never been safe, for the Israelis to give back the West Bank and the Golan, given that she is surrounded by potentially hostile Muslim neighbors, and requires defensible borders and some depth to her territory, to avoid being overrun quickly by a competent surprise offensive against her.

There's no going back now - in for a penny, in for a pound - Israel will not be giving back the West Bank nor the Golan - and, for that matter, will probably be re-seizing Gaza, during the next couple of decades.

Nobody is going to stop them from completing this internal consolidation, so long as they do not actually begin slaughtering the still-resident Palestinians en masse, and so long as they do not spill over their existing northern border with Lebanon, or their existing eastern border with Syria and Jordan, or their existing southern border with Egypt.

...Israel is a country built on lies and deception,violence and bad faith...

Incompetent people, out-maneuvered by clever people, oftentimes say such things.

...you may have been winning the battles and dispossesing the Palestinians but history shows Israel will never defeat the Palestinians...

This shall determine that.

...Israel basically painted themselves into a corner by stealth and arrogance.....which in my opinion in time they will never get out of...

Thank you for your opinion on the subject.

...The World is angry and bored with Israel's machinations over the past years...pleading an innocence....when infact they are the perpatraters sic of bad faith...

Wake me up, when 'The World' decides to do something about that.

...I doubt now Israel despite their awful past under Christians,Russians,Nazis throughout their history..........but never the Palestinians by the way.....can change...

Yes - they do, indeed, seem resolute, in their ambition to complete the Reconquista of Eretz Yisrael, and to make permanent, their claim to their old spiritual and ancestral home - something they've been denied, and something they've been working towards, for the past 1900 years.

...The World are basically fed up with this nation Israel......everyone's tried of Israel,but everyone now knows what they are as a nation, untrustworthy to deal with...

The Palestinians, having exported terrorism to innocent third-party nations on numerous occasions over the past 40-50 years and more, and having re-instigated trouble between themselves and Israel on multiple occasions, are far less trustworthy, and far less intelligent and far less sane, than their Israeli counterparts, and most of the world beyond the domains of Islam both understand this and operate from that understanding, in the Real World.

...Palestine has many more friends who will help them despite Israels intrusions and theft of Palestinian Land..steve

Yes, of course.

That is why most of the court systems of modern-day Christendom - in the US and Europe and Oceania - are *****-slapping early attempts at boycotting Israel - the BDS Laughing Stock Flea Circus - and why The West intervened militarily during this year's Gaza War II.

Sorry, old boy, but - no sale.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Anybody who doesn't perceive the Israeli-Palestinian conflict the way they do, is not 'normal'.

Puh-leeeez...

What amazes me is the general lack of curiosity or intuitive intelligence on display by these mindless conformists. Have they learned absolutely nothing about group dynamics from their experiences in life?

Place 90 blue people in a room with 10 green people, and the 90 Blue people will discriminate against the 10 green. That's just how people ARE no matter how much self-serving, mamby pamby rhetoric we might offer to the contrary. Discrimination leads to prejudice, prejudice to bigotry, bigotry to hatred.

In the case of Jews, they are always the green people. After the diaspora, they were all living as small minorities in small enclaves within a host society. They kept to themselves, were successful in those fields they were allowed to pursue, but always distrusted because they were different.

In today's global world, little has changed. Jews are still the green people, and as hateful Arabs and Muslims have become more and more influential in the world, they can infect more and more people with their hatefulness, and the social dynamics are still the same. A large majority persecutes a small minority, and there simply aren't enough of the small minority to affect the overall gestalt. The only difference now is that in the age of communication, it is Israel as the expression of Jewish self determination under attack instead of Jewish communities living in individual societies.

If any of these mind-numbingly stupid people were actual liberals, they would understand this. They don't, and they aren't, however. They are closer to neo nazis than they are liberals in their extremely conformist hatred of the small minority at the hands of the large majority.

 

[cnm]

And yet Israel apologists cannot see the majority/minority dynamic occurring in Israel and the occupied territories. Normal people can see it clearly. I'm not sure what Jews have to do with this discussion, this is about Israel and what normal people think about it.

It's as though we would discuss the USA by talking about Christians.


Oh, I've got it. It's about casting Israel as a victim. Well we know that.

 

[Kondor3]

And yet Israel apologists cannot see the majority/minority dynamic occurring in Israel and the occupied territories. Normal people can see it clearly. I'm not sure what Jews have to do with this discussion, this is about Israel and what normal people think about it.

You and your compatriots would have had a much easier time, had you not pursued this 'normal people' fallacy that you seem hell-bent upon continuing, even though it's not working, but, given your intransigence - which is highly symmetrical with that of those for whom you advocate - it's not terribly surprising - merely comical, and worth counterpointing.

 

[Hossfly]

And yet Israel apologists cannot see the majority/minority dynamic occurring in Israel and the occupied territories. Normal people can see it clearly. I'm not sure what Jews have to do with this discussion, this is about Israel and what normal people think about it.

It's as though we would discuss the USA by talking about Christians.


Oh, I've got it. It's about casting Israel as a victim. Well we know that.

I'm not sure what Jews have to do with this discussion, this is about Israel and what normal people think about it.

You can't be serious.

 

[toastman]

...Kondor you live in a myopic world of hideous (look the word up) denial...

Yes. Someone advocating for the Palestinians would, indeed, portray their adversaries in just such a fashion. This does not, however, ipso facto, render your opinion operative, and I, for one, reject it as partisan. But, thank you for your feedback.

...Recently I met a Christian volunteer who went to the OCCUPIED TERRORIES to escort Palestinian children to school...to PROTECT THEM from VERBAL and PHYSICAL VIOLENCE by the Israeli Settlers(SCUM)...

The Jew-hatred and Israel-hatred dripping from your bombast tells us all we need to know.

...Violence against Arab kids??Christian volunteers to protect them???From Jewish Settlers??...

After sixty-six years of intermittent guerrilla and asymmetrical warfare, both sides are guilty of this, on a fairly large scale. The solution is to relocate the Losing Side and to get them out of harm's way, permanently.

...In 1977 there were 25,000 Settlers...It was easy to believe the Israelis were holding the West Bank only as a bargaining chip.Arabs(Palestinians they said) were Terrorists...

It doesn't matter.

After decades of trying to negotiate with the Mad Dog Palestinians, by 1967, the Israelis had lost much of their incentive and desire to cut a deal with the Palestinians, and, Intifadas I and II put a cap in that - shredding to bits, much of the remaining Israeli commitment to cut that deal.

By now, it should be fairly clear, that they have hardened their hearts, and have abandoned their former naive but well-intentioned hopes to cut a deal, and have moved on to the old Zionist plan of completing the Reconquista of Eretz Yislrael - see the 1922 LoN Partition Proposal Map for details.

...Now the OCCUPATION has lasted 47 years.There are over 500,000 Settlers!!!!!!!Up to 60% of the Israeli cabinet is on record as Opposing a Two State solution...

That explains how they are winning the Land-Squeeze competition - all part of the mechanical processes designed to effect the Reconquista.

...Israel has gone from the secular to backward religious (we are talking pre 2000 years ago mentality) Israel has become a backward nation...

Hardly. They have merely hardened their hearts, by abandoning any prior unrealistic hopes for a negotiated settlement, and have now begun the Reconquista in earnest - about 66 years overdue.

...the previous Secular majority of more educated Jews,have been leaving Israel in vast numbers over the last 20 years......I have met many....They feel there is no future there for them.....Their place taken by Ignorant foreigners......and Religious Meat Heads.

The Alternative Explanation is, those who are unwilling to go the distance, to complete the Reconquista on behalf of the Jews, are leaving, and those who are willing to go that distance, are staying, and arriving, in droves. Same scenario - different explanations.

...Normal people distrust this ever increasing ignorant Israel.....even Jews within and outside Israel...

Your insistence upon the use of the phrase 'normal people' is rather comical, old boy, and hardly worthy of your intellect, even as a propagandizing device.

...The World has passed judgement on current Israel,even active supporters of Israel in the past.....THEY don't like it..More of.the World recognise Palestine more than they do Israel with numbers growing...Israel in reality has few friends,it could have been so different...

The Israelis and Palestinians could have negotiated a two-state solution, in the first few decades after the establishment of the State of Israel, but that window of opportunity has come and gone.

It is no longer safe for the Israelis, to allow the Palestinians to live alongside them, and, of course, it has never been safe, for the Israelis to give back the West Bank and the Golan, given that she is surrounded by potentially hostile Muslim neighbors, and requires defensible borders and some depth to her territory, to avoid being overrun quickly by a competent surprise offensive against her.

There's no going back now - in for a penny, in for a pound - Israel will not be giving back the West Bank nor the Golan - and, for that matter, will probably be re-seizing Gaza, during the next couple of decades.

Nobody is going to stop them from completing this internal consolidation, so long as they do not actually begin slaughtering the still-resident Palestinians en masse, and so long as they do not spill over their existing northern border with Lebanon, or their existing eastern border with Syria and Jordan, or their existing southern border with Egypt.

...Israel is a country built on lies and deception,violence and bad faith...

Incompetent people, out-maneuvered by clever people, oftentimes say such things.

...you may have been winning the battles and dispossesing the Palestinians but history shows Israel will never defeat the Palestinians...

This shall determine that.

...Israel basically painted themselves into a corner by stealth and arrogance.....which in my opinion in time they will never get out of...

Thank you for your opinion on the subject.

...The World is angry and bored with Israel's machinations over the past years...pleading an innocence....when infact they are the perpatraters sic of bad faith...

Wake me up, when 'The World' decides to do something about that.

...I doubt now Israel despite their awful past under Christians,Russians,Nazis throughout their history..........but never the Palestinians by the way.....can change...

Yes - they do, indeed, seem resolute, in their ambition to complete the Reconquista of Eretz Yisrael, and to make permanent, their claim to their old spiritual and ancestral home - something they've been denied, and something they've been working towards, for the past 1900 years.

...The World are basically fed up with this nation Israel......everyone's tried of Israel,but everyone now knows what they are as a nation, untrustworthy to deal with...

The Palestinians, having exported terrorism to innocent third-party nations on numerous occasions over the past 40-50 years and more, and having re-instigated trouble between themselves and Israel on multiple occasions, are far less trustworthy, and far less intelligent and far less sane, than their Israeli counterparts, and most of the world beyond the domains of Islam both understand this and operate from that understanding, in the Real World.

...Palestine has many more friends who will help them despite Israels intrusions and theft of Palestinian Land..steve

Yes, of course.

That is why most of the court systems of modern-day Christendom - in the US and Europe and Oceania - are *****-slapping early attempts at boycotting Israel - the BDS Laughing Stock Flea Circus - and why The West intervened militarily during this year's Gaza War II.

Sorry, old boy, but - no sale.

Amazing post !