What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

Ah, number six. A favourite, one finds.

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine.

That happens to be completely true and none of it has anything to do with Judaism.

Gaza is controlled by a Terrorist org that murders its opponents, especially Palestinians. Why do you give them a pass on that?

COUNTRY DATA
GDP growth (annual %)
Data from World Bank

The West bank and Gaza were on track to high GDP growth. Maybe Hamas got too much money to spend on rockets??

Greg

 

[cnm]

Gaza is controlled by a Terrorist org that murders its opponents, especially Palestinians. Why do you give them a pass on that?

Normal people wonder when Gaza may wrest back control of its borders, coast and airspace and be able to determine its own imports/exports.

 

[Billo_Really]

You want to explain "why"?

I didn't make the claim, you did. Care to explain the reason why you made the claim?

The reasons offered by you...

I didn't offer any reasons, I asked you to state yours. Are you going to do that, or just keep playing bullshit word games?

... lot are insensible.

Another made up word? What is it? A combination between "insensitive" and "sensible"? Or were you trying to say "nonsensical"? Ergo, making no sense?

So what are yours?

I don't have any. I didn't make the claim. You did.

 

[Billo_Really]

Gaza is controlled by a Terrorist org that murders its opponents, especially Palestinians. Why do you give them a pass on that?

I don't. I don't give Israel one either.

COUNTRY DATA
GDP growth (annual %)
Data from World Bank

The West bank and Gaza were on track to high GDP growth. Maybe Hamas got too much money to spend on rockets??

Greg

It makes no sense talking about Gaza's GNP while the blockade is still being maintained. No economy can grow when the assholes next door keep strangulating it.

 

[RoccoR]

Billo_Really, et al,

The principle of equal rights and self-determination, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State (Israel and Palestine included) has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.

Gaza is controlled by a Terrorist org that murders its opponents, especially Palestinians. Why do you give them a pass on that?

I don't. I don't give Israel one either.

COUNTRY DATA
GDP growth (annual %)
Data from World Bank

The West bank and Gaza were on track to high GDP growth. Maybe Hamas got too much money to spend on rockets??

Greg

It makes no sense talking about Gaza's GNP while the blockade is still being maintained. No economy can grow when the assholes next door keep strangulating it.

(COMMENT)

The problem is, that the Palestinians do not "duty to respect this right" (territorial integrity and political independence of the Israel) as exercised in 1948. They have been a constant warring party, attempting to take both Jordan and Israel. The Palestinians have pledged a never ending battle against Israel. The "occupation" and quarantine are of their own making. Just as the HAMAS Palestinian Government failed to honor Israeli sovereignty after the 2005 withdrawal, so it is that no Palestinian Government has has established any evidence of reform that would warrant trust and confidence in settle its international disputes with Israel by peaceful means in such a manner that regional peace and security are not endangered.

The People of the State of Palestine have not been served well by a government that is incapable of establishing Friendly Relations and Co-operation with Israel. They have great economic and commercial potential but indefinitely sacrifice it all in exchange for endless conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnm]

Ah, another one. Normal people think Israel feels it can do no wrong. So now we have normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong.

 

[Hossfly]

Ah, another one. Normal people think Israel feels it can do no wrong. So now we have normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong.

You could be describing the Democrat Party.

 

[cnm]

You could be describing the Democrat Party.

Actually there are only a few items that don't fit both the Democratic and Republican parties.

 

[SAYIT]

Gaza is controlled by a Terrorist org that murders its opponents, especially Palestinians. Why do you give them a pass on that?

Normal people wonder when Gaza may wrest back control of its borders, coast and airspace and be able to determine its own imports/exports.

That would be what desperate morons might think, if they think about Gaza at all.
Normal peeps wonder when those hapless "refugees" will quit throwing generation after generation of their kids into their now 66 year long seize of Israel just to satisfy hateful slugs like you.

 

[cnm]

Hmmm. That looks like 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and 11.

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong.

 

[Hossfly]

Hmmm. That looks like 1, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 and 11.

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong.

If you think Israel does any of those things, you're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey, turkey.

 

[cnm]

There is absolute evidence Israel breaks promises just to chose one item from the list. Time you started practising your gobbling, turkey.

Or you could learn about evidence.

No, on second thoughts best you concentrate on gobbling.

 

[cnm]

Here's evidence of Israel breaking promises. And Israel apologists can't understand why normal people in the UK have a negative view of Israel, so have to pretend it is not the case.


Israel–United Kingdom relations

Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In 1986, a diplomatic incident took place when a bag filled with forged British passports was discovered in a telephone booth in Germany - the passports had been the work of Mossad, and were intended for the Israeli Embassy in London, to use in covert operations abroad. The British government, furious, demanded Israel promise to never forge its passports again, which was obtained.


'Compelling evidence' Israel was behind misuse of UK passports in Hamas hit
David Miliband Compelling evidence Israel was behind misuse of UK passports in Hamas hit Politics The Guardian

Foreign secretary confirms Britain has demanded withdrawal of Israeli diplomat following 'intolerable' use of identity papers

 

[Billo_Really]

If you think Israel does any of those things, you're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey, turkey.

I don't think Israel does any of those things, I know they do!

I also know, you can't present a valid argument against any one of those points.

 

[Billo_Really]

Here's evidence of Israel breaking promises. And Israel apologists can't understand why normal people in the UK have a negative view of Israel, so have to pretend it is not the case.


Israel–United Kingdom relations

Assassination of Mahmoud Al-Mabhouh - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

In 1986, a diplomatic incident took place when a bag filled with forged British passports was discovered in a telephone booth in Germany - the passports had been the work of Mossad, and were intended for the Israeli Embassy in London, to use in covert operations abroad. The British government, furious, demanded Israel promise to never forge its passports again, which was obtained.


'Compelling evidence' Israel was behind misuse of UK passports in Hamas hit
David Miliband Compelling evidence Israel was behind misuse of UK passports in Hamas hit Politics The Guardian

Foreign secretary confirms Britain has demanded withdrawal of Israeli diplomat following 'intolerable' use of identity papers

There must be something to that second article, because an Israeli kiss-ass recently asked me if I had a passport.

 

[Billo_Really]

The problem is, that the Palestinians do not "duty to respect this right" (territorial integrity and political independence of the Israel) as exercised in 1948.

You're starting the clock at the wrong time. In 1948, Zionists didn't respect the territorial integrity of the indigenous, non-Jewish population.

They have been a constant warring party, attempting to take both Jordan and Israel.

If that was true, then why is it Israel that breaks all the ceasefires?

The Palestinians have pledged a never ending battle against Israel.

Which simply means they have no intention of submitting to Israel's un-equal demands.

The "occupation" and quarantine are of their own making.

That's like blaming the rape victim because she wore a red dress.

Just as the HAMAS Palestinian Government failed to honor Israeli sovereignty after the 2005 withdrawal,

Israel did not withdraw, they removed ground forces from Gaza proper, but failed to honor Gazan coastal waters and air space.

so it is that no Palestinian Government has has established any evidence of reform that would warrant trust and confidence in settle its international disputes with Israel by peaceful means in such a manner that regional peace and security are not endangered.

The Palestinian government doesn't "have" to do anything, Israel needs to comply with international law and end the occupation and blockade.

The People of the State of Palestine have not been served well by a government that is incapable of establishing Friendly Relations and Co-operation with Israel.

That's because Israel won't allow it. Hamas stated it was willing to be a strictly political movement, but instead of Israel welcoming this non-violent solution, it makes up reasons to attack Gaza.

They have great economic and commercial potential but indefinitely sacrifice it all in exchange for endless conflict.

You never take responsibility for your own actions, do you?

 

[cnm]

There must be something to that second article, because an Israeli kiss-ass recently asked me if I had a passport.

Oh, that reminded me of another one, normal people thinks Israel suborns citzens of other nations to subvert those nations' interests. Now we have normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong,
suborns citzens of other nations to subvert those nations' interests.

 

[Phoenall]

All one needs to know in this thread is what normal people think about Israel, the BBC polls convincingly demonstrate what that is.

For some reason the opinion of normal people can't be accepted for what it is by those who appear to be Israel apologists.

That they don't want to recognise reality seems of a piece with their willingness to ignore the voices of Muslim nation residents.

I believe that's called the ostrich manoeuvre.

So if I asked you which country is seen as the most violent and gave you only two possible answers Palestine or Monaco which one do you think would be the winner ?

Thank you for admitting that Palestine is a country. Finally!

I have always said that since 1988 Palestine was a country in name only, as they have refused to take up the yoke of free determination and the UN charter. Even the UN does not recognise them as anything but a nation in name only

 

[SAYIT]

What, you're going to deny that now?

Well, you can go on denying Israel has a PR problem as long as you like, a state of bliss is hard to leave, fair enough.

Israel may well have an unsolvable PR prob but your biased poll is irrelevant.
Meanwhile the Jewish Homeland ignores the haters and goes about the biz of being a responsible state:

Israeli Company Ready to Produce Drug to Cure Ebola United with Israel

Compare that to what the Arab/Muslim World is prepared to do:


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[SAYIT]

The problem is, that the Palestinians do not "duty to respect this right" (territorial integrity and political independence of the Israel) as exercised in 1948.

You're starting the clock at the wrong time. In 1948, Zionists didn't respect the territorial integrity of the indigenous, non-Jewish population.

Sure they did. It was your "peaceful" Arab/Muslim comrades who attacked the one-day old Jewish Homelend:
"...A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine - Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on 2 May it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state. The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements."

1948 Arab Israeli War - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia