What do normal people - think of Israel?

Des and Nelson have seen for me. They're expert.

Denial as Hasbara doesn't quite cut it.
cnm
Strange how this "apartheid" is so popular a subject on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites. Like we are going to believe that all the anti-Semitic posters here really care about the Palestinians when they are just using them as pawns against the Jews. You can take your Tutu and Nelson all you want. What have they ever said about what is happening in the Muslim countries against the non Muslims? Meanwhile, I will take what someone who is living in Israel has to say, especially a person who has fought apartheid in South Africa so knows what apartheid is all about. I will also take the word of the daughter of the present leader of South Africa who upon visiting Israel said there is no apartheid. Maybe you should visit Israel for yourself like this Muslim did and then you can report back to us about your visit. Take Tutu with you and then the two of you can visit some Muslim countries and see what is happening to the Christians and other non believers residing in these countries.

Why should he go there when he had Des and Nelson to do it for him? lol

I'll tell you where there is apartheid in Judea and Samaria. In Ramallah itself, amongst Palestinians. The wealthy ones with villas, swimming pools and servants, plus the usual automobile accoutrements. And the "not so rich", living elsewhere. There's even a distinction in number plates on the cars, which defines the differences in socio-economic levels of rich and poor.
 
This is quire interesting.

Yet Hamas’s anti-corruption platform gave the group the legitimacy its artisanal bombs never could. Like Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas provided welfare and medical care to much of the West Bank and Gaza—services often only available to Arafat’s coterie. At the same time, Hamas dropped its call for Israel’s destruction and teased out the possibility of a peace treaty with its hated neighbour to the east. Having suffered at the hands of Fatah, Gazans quite naturally chose to vote the bums out. The rest is bloody history.

Contrary to the view of many commentators, most Palestinians want a peaceful solution to the current crisis. A Washington Institute poll, conducted just as the current tensions were ramping up, suggests that 70 per cent of Gazans support the continued ceasefire with Israel. Nearly 60 per cent of Gazans said the Fatah-Hamas unity government should renounce violence against Israel—if only because the overwhelming majority wants jobs there.

The Washington Institute poll further suggests that 66 per cent of Gazans see “corruption by Palestinians government officials” as a major problem. This juiciest of ironies is reflected by the facts on the ground: According to several news reports, former (and formerly penniless) Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh recently purchased a $4-million seaside estate, among other properties, thanks largely to the black-market sale of subsidized fuel and a tax on goods flowing through the clandestine tunnels between Egypt and Gaza.

Bombarded and shell-shocked by yet another outsized military operation, it can hardly be comforting for Gazans to see how, for Hamas, Yasser Arafat seems less bogeyman than role model.

A crisis of leadership in Gaza

So 70% wanted the peace to continue, 60% wanted to RENOUNCE violence, and 66% see corruption by Pal officials as a major problem. OK: can there be a vote on that?

Oh wait: Hamas has murdered them.

Greg
 
Well you don't seem to know it when you see it. Next you'll be denying Mandela's and Tutu's expertise which normal people accept as solidly based..
 
I wonder if the existence of 'separate' roads ever penetrates. Probably not pitched high enough.
 
It is strange that some hamas useful idiots still try and point to separate roads. Sigh.

He wrote that, "a sweeping 74% majority is in favour of separate roads for Israelis and Palestinians in the West Bank". But the sentence that follows needs to be noted: 24% believed separate roads were "a good situation" and 54% believed they were "a necessary situation". Decoded, this gets to the heart of the issue of the separate roads which Israel has built for some settlements. Critics say this is apartheid. But as the 54% indicate, they see it as a security issue; that is, it is the (expensive and extravagant) way to counter drive-by and roadside shootings which have killed many settlers. Nor (and this is little understood) are the roads only for Jews: the cars allowed on it are those with Israeli black and yellow number plates, irrespective of whether the driver is an Israeli Jew or Arab; the barred cars are those with Palestinian green and white plates.

Israel has moved to the right but it is not an apartheid state Benjamin Pogrund Comment is free The Guardian

Maybe the Jews could just put up with being murdered like good Jews should?? Neveragain!!!

Greg
 
Nor (and this is little understood) are the roads only for Jews: the cars allowed on it are those with Israeli black and yellow number plates, irrespective of whether the driver is an Israeli Jew or Arab; the barred cars are those with Palestinian green and white plates.

Hilarious. Palestinians can't drive on roads in their own Bantustan and it's not apartheid.

I guess that's normal in an apartheid regime.
 
The crazy Israel apologists are always good value, they'll say anything to deflect the truth. As though separate roads is not a living definition of 'apart hood'.

But then they are not 'normal'.
 
cnm, et al,

Finally, --- you have it.

Hilarious. Palestinians can't drive on roads in their own supposed territory and it's not apartheid.
(COMMENT)

Yes, "it's not apartheid."

v/r
R

Rocco certainly has a sense of humor. Separate roads based on the ethnicity/religion of people is not Apartheid to him. Hilarious how these bozos attempt to defend the indefensible.
 
The operative word is "supposed". Israel has the right under UN Resolution 242.

According to one of the framers of the Resolution:
Eugene W. Rostow, JD, former US Undersecretary of State for political affairs, in an Oct. 21, 1991 New Republic commentary titled "Resolved: are the settlements legal? Israeli West Bank policies," wrote:
"Resolution 242, which as undersecretary of state for political affairs between 1966 and 1969 I helped produce, calls on the parties to make peace and allows Israel to administer the territories it occupied in 1967 until 'a just and lasting peace in the Middle East' is achieved. When such a peace is made, Israel is required to withdraw its armed forces 'from territories' it occupied during the Six-Day War--not from 'the' territories nor from 'all' the territories, but from some of the territories, which included the Sinai Desert, the West Bank, the Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip."

Articles by the Late Eugene W. Rostow

Greg
 
The crazy Israel apologists are always good value, they'll say anything to deflect the truth. As though separate roads is not a living definition of 'apart hood'.

But then they are not 'normal'.
Blah, blah, blah, endless phukking blah...
 
cnm, et al,

Finally, --- you have it.

Hilarious. Palestinians can't drive on roads in their own supposed territory and it's not apartheid.
(COMMENT)

Yes, "it's not apartheid."

v/r
R

Rocco certainly has a sense of humor. Separate roads based on the ethnicity/religion of people is not Apartheid to him. Hilarious how these bozos attempt to defend the indefensible.
It's called keeping the Barbarians outside the gates.
 
Maybe the Jews could just put up with being murdered like good Jews should?? Neveragain!!!
What's this about Jews? I was talking about Israel and therefore Israelis.
 
Last edited:
The only 'sick' society in the Middle East is the one that slavishly bows towards Mecca five times a day... Medievalism, resurfacing in the Modern Age.
 
15th post
It's called keeping the Barbarians outside the gates.
Absolutely, apart hood, keep them in their dependent Bantustans.
No, more like keep the bloodthirsty bastards from murdering innocents, while they're being nudged off the few remaining scraps of land they have left.

Time for the Losing Side (the Palestinians) to pack up and leave for greener pastures.

Under-performers and bottom-feeders willing to sit in refugee shit-holes for six decades and more require a little stimulus.
 
That is not the normal view. That is the exceptional view.
 
montelatici, et al,

No, you don't have it.

cnm, et al,

Finally, --- you have it.

Hilarious. Palestinians can't drive on roads in their own supposed territory and it's not apartheid.
(COMMENT)

Yes, "it's not apartheid."

v/r
R

Rocco certainly has a sense of humor. Separate roads based on the ethnicity/religion of people is not Apartheid to him. Hilarious how these bozos attempt to defend the indefensible.
(COMMENT)

"Separate roads based on the" threat presented by the Palestinian "is not Apartheid to him."

It is not an attempt at defending anything. It is merely raising the veil from the truth. See Post #454.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Then the other thing normal people think about Israel is that it steals things. Passports, land, water, etc etc...
 
Back
Top Bottom