What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

PS: good to see the real Pezz.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

 

[ChrisL]

That is NOT going to happen. The United States is not ever going to nuke Israel. Come back down to earth!!

I never said it had to be the US, and if it were us, I never said we had to be the ones to target Jerusalem.

Seek help for yourself.

 

[ChrisL]

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Well you are definitely in the "baffle them with BULLSHIT" brigade!!

But this one in particular..

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

So they are behind the troubles in Syria, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc etc?? Gee; they must be so ever POWERFUL to do that. Maybe those folk shouldn't mess with them!!! Gosh wait: they have their own sources of oppression and genocide...whodathunkit!!!!

Greg

Probably more "behind" many of the conflicts in the Mideast than you know or will every know. You certainly can't trust what CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will tell you. Especially since those networks are owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.

Ah ... so you ASSUME Israel is involved in all Mideast conflicts because our media is owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.
Woo... looks like we have another mindless Nazi onboard claiming to be a red-blooded American boy. You twits are soooo easy to spot.
Sieg Heil, Bubba.

You're combining two, different topics. The conflicts in the Mideast reflect Israel's willingness to participate. That's "on" the Israelis ... not the American media. However, the information we get from the American media is (and always will be) skewed in favor of Israel even when they're in the wrong. So please ... attempt to use both of your brain cells next time before making an ass out of yourself.

No, I don't think the LIBERAL media is skewed on the side of Israel.

 

[ChrisL]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

 

[Hossfly]

What do normal people-think of Israel?

They think Israel blew its opportunity by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories.

You ain't normal, Bobo. Your vote doesn't count.

 

[Lipush]

What do normal people-think of Israel?

They think Israel blew its opportunity by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories.

LOL

 

[gtopa1]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.

Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

 

[ChrisL]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

 

[RoccoR]

ChrisL, gtopa1, et al,

I think we need to heed Chris' caution.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.

Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

(COMMENT)

In the past --- nearly all western assistance and intervention in the Arab and Muslim world has met with negative results.

While the US has the ability to make some minor predictions of a very short-term nature in the past; it has been unsuccessful in any long-term positive strategies --- militarily, diplomatically, or politically. Any involvements have come with a very heavy price.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

Wanting what Hamas wants is not a good career move. You kill Israelis you kill Jews.

Greg

What about Jews who can't stand Israeli's?

 

[Billo_Really]

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I agree. I don't want my tax dollars being spent anywhere else, except in the United States of America.

 

[cnm]

What do normal people-think of Israel?

They think Israel blew its opportunity by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories.

You ain't normal, Bobo. Your vote doesn't count.

Oh. You mean normal people think Israel improved its chances by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories?

Hmmm, difficult sell, that one.

 

[RoccoR]

cnm, et al,

This is merely another lame attempt at seeking sympathy for the lawlessness and the conditions set by the Hostile Palestinians. It has nothing to do with the real crime of apartheid.

• 
  "The crime of apartheid" means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1, committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime; (Article 7(2h), ICC, Rome Statute)
  

What do normal people-think of Israel?

They think Israel blew its opportunity by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories.

You ain't normal, Bobo. Your vote doesn't count.

Oh. You mean normal people think Israel improved its chances by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories?

Hmmm, difficult sell, that one.

(COMMENT)

Article 42 of the Hague Regulations, which defines the concept of occupation, and Article 43, which lays out the main obligations incumbent upon the occupying power (i.e. to restore and ensure public order and safety). These measures, referred to as "Apartheid" have nothing to do with the "systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;" but instead, are the measures taken to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety. The intent is to separate the belligerents to prevent conflict by ambush, kidnapping and murder, arson, assault, the planting of improvised explosive devices, etc.

These are the issues that require the implementation of security cordons, and quarantines prevent the unnecessary casualties if such measures were not in place.

The attempt to suggest, as was done in the preceding post, that the measures were put in place for with any intention of maintaining a regime, --- is simply trying to apply a nasty application of a inapplicable crime in order to gain propaganda value.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[cnm]

You know, these dudes know something about apartheid and they say you know nothing.

With all due respect.

Desmond Tutu: U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state

Desmond Tutu U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News Haaretz

Veteran anti-apartheid activist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu has called on the Presbyterian Church (USA) to pass a series of resolutions condemning Israel as an apartheid state and proposing policies to boycott it.



Mandela's Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel & Palestine

Mandela s Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel Palestine Keghart.com

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.

Thomas, I’m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I’m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.

 

[Mindful]

'Cos Mandela said it.

 

[Mindful]

What about Jews who can't stand Israeli's?

What about them?

 

[gtopa1]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

 

[ChrisL]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

 

[gtopa1]

ChrisL, gtopa1, et al,

I think we need to heed Chris' caution.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.

Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

(COMMENT)

In the past --- nearly all western assistance and intervention in the Arab and Muslim world has met with negative results.

While the US has the ability to make some minor predictions of a very short-term nature in the past; it has been unsuccessful in any long-term positive strategies --- militarily, diplomatically, or politically. Any involvements have come with a very heavy price.

Most Respectfully,
R

I agree.

ChrisL, gtopa1, et al,

I think we need to heed Chris' caution.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.

Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

(COMMENT)

In the past --- nearly all western assistance and intervention in the Arab and Muslim world has met with negative results.

While the US has the ability to make some minor predictions of a very short-term nature in the past; it has been unsuccessful in any long-term positive strategies --- militarily, diplomatically, or politically. Any involvements have come with a very heavy price.

Most Respectfully,
R

I'm tending to agree with you but it's not as simple as that. Expelling the Ottomans from the ME was a major achievement and many of the problems of the ME have been because of either Western neglect or compliance to short term goals. Iran was lost to an extremist ideology with French compliance, while "the powers" played each other for years during the Cold War. Israel has been a remarkable achievement while Jordan, the real Palestinian homeland, is an ally of the US. I think Western liberals have given too much oxygen to groups like Hamas and before that Fatah when the killer Arafat was in charge of it. The hard work of Nation Building was just ignored. I hope we have learned something.

Greg