What do normal people - think of Israel?

[gtopa1]

BTW: apologies to an old Irish folk song: "Iraq's awake; Iraq's awake". I expect a real unity in the face of this foreign incursion by IS.

I asked in another place how many IS will make it back to Syria. "0" was my best estimate.

Greg

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

 

[ChrisL]

Unity by whom? I don't think these ME countries are capable of "uniting" to accomplish anything. They are MUCH too hateful and distrustful peoples.

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

 

[Hossfly]

You know, these dudes know something about apartheid and they say you know nothing.

With all due respect.

Desmond Tutu: U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state

Desmond Tutu U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News Haaretz

Veteran anti-apartheid activist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu has called on the Presbyterian Church (USA) to pass a series of resolutions condemning Israel as an apartheid state and proposing policies to boycott it.



Mandela's Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel & Palestine

Mandela s Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel Palestine Keghart.com

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.

Thomas, I’m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I’m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.

cnm ,
Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

 

[gtopa1]

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

I don't think you can paint them all with the same brush. Egypt has gone through an "insane" experience but fortunately pulled back from the brink. All without US involvement...though America-haters would like to see the "evil MIC" in there somewhere. Even the bombing of IS by us is because they've invaded a sovereign nation. While they were still in Syria no-one gave it much of a thought...at least in this administration. But who wants to advance the cause of Assad?

Yes: of course it's not easy dealing with that part of the world, especially when THEY come to us.

Greg

 

[Lipush]

Unity by "Your enemy's enemy is my friend". It is how the ME has worked for centuries....most of the world for that matter. IS has made its biggest mistake already....they've overextended their supply lines.


Oh: also; they've pissed off Uncle Sam.

Greg

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

That's one way to look at it.

And... Hey! are we neighbors? couln'd help but notice we're from the same location.

LOLZ

 

[ChrisL]

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

I don't think you can paint them all with the same brush. Egypt has gone through an "insane" experience but fortunately pulled back from the brink. All without US involvement...though America-haters would like to see the "evil MIC" in there somewhere. Even the bombing of IS by us is because they've invaded a sovereign nation. While they were still in Syria no-one gave it much of a thought...at least in this administration. But who wants to advance the cause of Assad?

Yes: of course it's not easy dealing with that part of the world, especially when THEY come to us.

Greg

" . . . all without American involvement." That is what I want to hear more of. I'm tired of being involved in other people's fights, and then being told that we stick our noses into everyone else's affairs. Seriously. It's madness. Let them fight their own battles.

 

[ChrisL]

I just really don't want the US to be involved. I don't care what they do to one another.

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

That's one way to look at it.

And... Hey! are we neighbors? couln'd help but notice we're from the same location.

LOLZ

I didn't even notice your location. Lol! Mine was a play on words from the kid's books! I wanted to change it a little bit, but that was one of my favorite book series when I was small.

 

[Lipush]

I understand that and frankly I have some sympathy with it. And you know it's coming: innocent people are innocent everywhere whether it's downtown Boston or out-of -town Damascus. I cannot stand seeing the innocent suffer anywhere.
Greg

Hard to know exactly who is innocent when talking about these situations though. They all claim to be "innocent." It's hard to know who to trust when you're talking about the ME.

By their actions shall you know them. Assad is a villain indeed even though I considered him reasonable at one stage. His incursions into the Lebanon and support for terrorist orgs put him back into "really sux" quite quickly while his latest civil war puts him into the same league as Saddam imo. ISIS is one of those groups like the AQ; started off fighting the right mob (Russians) but ended up a vile , loathed and hated bunch of murderers. The best indicator is that those who exterminate moderates to consolidate their power are the enemy.

Greg

Honestly, I don't really care. I don't want anything to do with any of them. I really don't. It's toxicity, that whole part of the world. Even your so-called "moderates" hate us. Screw them.

That's one way to look at it.

And... Hey! are we neighbors? couln'd help but notice we're from the same location.

LOLZ

I didn't even notice your location. Lol! Mine was a play on words from the kid's books! I wanted to change it a little bit, but that was one of my favorite book series when I was small.

Mine was attempt of a joke. A sad one. I'm southerner Israeli, so, yep. Suiting.

I remember reading the phrase from a story when I was a kid. I am not a native english epeaker, so at first, I didn't know the meaning. When looking, I was like "Ohhhh,"....

Teheh.

 

[gtopa1]

You know, these dudes know something about apartheid and they say you know nothing.

With all due respect.

Desmond Tutu: U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state

Desmond Tutu U.S. Christians must recognize Israel as apartheid state - Diplomacy and Defense Israel News Haaretz

Veteran anti-apartheid activist and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Desmond Tutu has called on the Presbyterian Church (USA) to pass a series of resolutions condemning Israel as an apartheid state and proposing policies to boycott it.



Mandela's Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel & Palestine

Mandela s Memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel Palestine Keghart.com

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.

Thomas, I’m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I’m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.

cnm ,
Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

"Hard work and discipline will be rewarded with success no matter what race, color or gender one has. Israel, though by no means perfect, is a fully democratic state and the British Prime Minister, David Cameron, on his most recent visit to Israel, declared that not only was this so but that Israel's democracy was "a beacon of light to the region."This is no apartheid state and those who consequently seek to make this claim are strangers to the truth. Shame on them!"

Exactly!!!

"
Their roots have been and are genocidal and the tree and its fruit has not changed, consequently the Apartheid accusation leveled at Israel is just another weapon in their arsenal of weapons arrayed against the Jewish state. The end game is the destruction of Israel.

One of their leaders once declared, "Piece by piece we will destroy Israel with peace!"

Well said!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

"Where the wild things are"
My education seems to be lacking. I've heard of it but never read it........not even to my kids. I'll have to get it for the grand-kids.

Greg

 

[cnm]

Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

As usual with Israel apartheid apologists my statement that apartheid regimes are imposed in the occupied territories is ignored.

 

[Hossfly]

Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

As usual with Israel apartheid apologists my statement that apartheid regimes are imposed in the occupied territories is ignored.

Of course it's ignored. Because there is no apartheid in occupied territories. Go see for yourself.

 

[cnm]

Des and Nelson have seen for me. They're expert.

Denial as Hasbara doesn't quite cut it.

 

[cnm]

I mean some people can pretend all they want that this sort of thing is not apartheid On Israel s system of segregated roads in the occupied Palestinian territories Visualizing Palestine but normal people will have a different view.

 

[ChrisL]

Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

As usual with Israel apartheid apologists my statement that apartheid regimes are imposed in the occupied territories is ignored.

Of course it's ignored. Because there is no apartheid in occupied territories. Go see for yourself.

Thanks for that link. Very informative.

 

[Hossfly]

Des and Nelson have seen for me. They're expert.

Denial as Hasbara doesn't quite cut it.

cnm
Strange how this "apartheid" is so popular a subject on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites. Like we are going to believe that all the anti-Semitic posters here really care about the Palestinians when they are just using them as pawns against the Jews. You can take your Tutu and Nelson all you want. What have they ever said about what is happening in the Muslim countries against the non Muslims? Meanwhile, I will take what someone who is living in Israel has to say, especially a person who has fought apartheid in South Africa so knows what apartheid is all about. I will also take the word of the daughter of the present leader of South Africa who upon visiting Israel said there is no apartheid. Maybe you should visit Israel for yourself like this Muslim did and then you can report back to us about your visit. Take Tutu with you and then the two of you can visit some Muslim countries and see what is happening to the Christians and other non believers residing in these countries.

A Muslim in a Jewish Land

 

[cnm]

I like the way you dismiss Mandela and Tutu as though they're not expert and the way you ignore the situation in the occupied territories when you carefully say there is no apartheid in Israel. Still, I understand your need for victimhood in order to excuse Israel's vicious behaviour.

I think too that you do not qualify as 'normal'. Exceptional, rather.

 

[gtopa1]

Let's see what Rev. Malcolm Hedding, who himself fought apartheid in South Africa and with his living in Israel, has to say. Perhaps you should also research and find out what Blacks from South Africa and elsewhere have said after visiting Israel.

The Truth Behind Israeli Apartheid Week ICEJ USA

As usual with Israel apartheid apologists my statement that apartheid regimes are imposed in the occupied territories is ignored.

Basically because it's batshit crazy!!

Greg

 

[cnm]

Israeli apologists saying there is no apartheid in the occupied terrritories in contradiction to absolute experts on apartheid is rather like the KKK telling blacks they're not oppressed and to get down from that tree and stop lollygagging around..

 

[cnm]

But anyway, what 'normal' people think about Israel can be discerned from various UN resolutions concerning Israel. The vast majority of votes, representing about 95% of the world's population - which I think can be taken as 'normal' - normally go one way.