What do normal people - think of Israel?

[SAYIT]

Oh do I? Well I'm not the person who made a snide comment to you the other day, so it was someone else.

I don't feel any "anger" at your stupid suggestions. I just cannot believe that anyone would seriously make such a retarded suggestion. "Oh, duh, let's just nuke 'em." Oh, great idea . . . not.

Why is it so hard to believe? America is the only country ever to use a nuke in war, and we did it to prevent a long, drawn-out conventional war.
The same principal applies now: nuke them so as to stop this long, drawn-out war.

We nuked Japan to avoid a protracted ground war (and perhaps as punishment), the cost of which some estimates pegged at 1 million AMERICAN lives, not to save Japanese or Chinese or Russian or British lives.
There are far more "long, drawn-out conventional" conflicts on the planet which dwarf the Israeli/Palestinian one in terms of longevity, barbarity and casualties. Do you recommend we douse them all with Nukes? Just askin'.

 

[SAYIT]

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
Well you are definitely in the "baffle them with BULLSHIT" brigade!!

But this one in particular..

So they are behind the troubles in Syria, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc etc?? Gee; they must be so ever POWERFUL to do that. Maybe those folk shouldn't mess with them!!! Gosh wait: they have their own sources of oppression and genocide...whodathunkit!!!!

Greg

Probably more "behind" many of the conflicts in the Mideast than you know or will every know. You certainly can't trust what CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will tell you. Especially since those networks are owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.

Ah ... so you ASSUME Israel is involved in all Mideast conflicts because our media is owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.
Woo... looks like we have another mindless Nazi onboard claiming to be a red-blooded American boy. You twits are soooo easy to spot.
Sieg Heil, Bubba.

You're combining two, different topics. The conflicts in the Mideast reflect Israel's willingness to participate. That's "on" the Israelis ... not the American media. However, the information we get from the American media is (and always will be) skewed in favor of Israel even when they're in the wrong. So please ... attempt to use both of your brain cells next time before making an ass out of yourself.

I do believe being deemed "an ass" by a goose-steepin' Nazi scummie is a compliment, not to mention the irony, and it was you who combined what you allege to be Israel's involvement in all Mideast conflicts and our media's failure to report it.
Even if your Rense.com silliness were true, couldn't we get that news from the Internet? Could you link some support for your claim from some non-American source?
And you think I'm the ass, NaziBoy?

Hey idiot!!! One need not be a "Nazi" just because they disagree with the Israeli foreign policy. What a fool!

But that's not what you've been doing here, now is it?

You claimed - without any support - "Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it."

You backed up that camel crap with "You certainly can't trust what CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will tell you. Especially since those networks are owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans" and when pressed for proof of that well-worn Nazi canard you produced a Rense.com blog from a like-minded Nazi scummie.

Finally, having painted yourself into that corner, you try to change the subject altogether with "One need not be a 'Nazi' just because they disagree with the Israeli foreign policy" despite the FACT that Israeli foreign policy has not been the subject of this thread or our conversation.

And you think I'm the idiot, Idiot?

 

[Ellipsis]

There are far more "long, drawn-out conventional" conflicts on the planet which dwarf the Israeli/Palestinian one in terms of longevity, barbarity and casualties. Do you recommend we douse them all with Nukes? Just askin'.

Maybe some ebola could be sent their way.

 

[Hossfly]

There are far more "long, drawn-out conventional" conflicts on the planet which dwarf the Israeli/Palestinian one in terms of longevity, barbarity and casualties. Do you recommend we douse them all with Nukes? Just askin'.

Maybe some ebola could be sent their way.

Why do you want to make people suffer? No one here does except the Pali supporters.

 

[Ellipsis]

Why do you want to make people suffer? No one here does except the Pali supporters.

I want to make people stop fighting over stupid things. The ME war is all about fighting over inheritance. That's a stupid thing to fight over regardless of context.

 

[Hossfly]

Why do you want to make people suffer? No one here does except the Pali supporters.

I want to make people stop fighting over stupid things. The ME war is all about fighting over inheritance. That's a stupid thing to fight over regardless of context.

What inheritance? There is none. All cut and dried.

 

[Ellipsis]

What inheritance? There is none. All cut and dried.

This whole thing started in Genesis 16 with Hagar's son Ishmael and Sarah's son Isaac and who was going to get Abraham's blessing and inherit all the land of Canaan, which is a fair chunk of the middle east.

It's a holy war. All this bullshit in the middle east is a holy war over inheritance of land; the descendants of Ishmael fighting with the descendants of Isaac, complicated by all the 3rd party interference.

The human race is stuck in a 6,000 year old family feud. It's about time we put an end to it.

 

[Hossfly]

I had no idea.

 

[Billo_Really]

So why the anger at Jews. Is it that you have "Survivors remorse" and think they should too??

Greg

Why would you think I have "anger at Jews", Gregory? What does criticism of Israeli foreign policy, have anything to do with Judaism? Why would a Catholic living in SoCal, waste any energy hating an entire group of people, that have nothing to do with his daily life? Why are you trying to turn a political discussion, into a religious one?

 

[cnm]

What do normal people-think of Israel?

They think Israel blew its opportunity by running apartheid regimes in the occupied territories.

 

[gtopa1]

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Sure sounds like he/she is the personal secretary of Ted Pike. Maybe this Ted Pike incantation can tell us why there are many Christians who marry Jews. Certainly if the Jews think of others as cattle, they would stay far, far away from them. Methinks this poster has been reading the fake Talmud quotes which are so popular with the anti-Semites. Why don't you go assist your new ISIS friends in the Middle East help fight in Iraq and Syria if you think that Israel is behind the conflicts. Think of the good you would be doing for your new friends who are Jew haters like you are and naturally you would feel so good about yourself in getting those "evil" Jews. Be sure to convert to Islam first since you don't want to lose your head.

Only a total idiot would believe that my opposition to modern "Israel" is a stamp of approval for "ISIS." That's like saying that if I don't like hamburger I must love hotdogs. A rather awkward jump to a false conclusion.

Just because you idolize Israel doesn't mean that I have to be an idolator as well. Go ahead and worship them all you wish. It will get you nowhere. America as been "blessing" Israel since 1947 but look where it's gotten us. We're swirling down the frigging toilet. Hooray!

Just exactly why is it that you are so Mesmerized by the Israelis? Do you think you will go to Heaven if you worship them? Do you think you will get rich? Do you think you will live a longer life? What exactly do you hope that sort of idol worship will get you?

I don't idolize anything or anybody. I'm like the Lone Ranger, infidel.

He blames Israel for America's poor domestic policies?? Oi vei!!

Greg

Another dope shows up on the scene! For years, and years, and years, I've heard people (ignorant sheep really) say that "we will be blessed if we bless Israel." So I ask: Where are all of those "blessings?"

You want something for doing the right thing?? What bloody blessings are you talking about?

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

So why the anger at Jews. Is it that you have "Survivors remorse" and think they should too??

Greg

Why would you think I have "anger at Jews", Gregory? What does criticism of Israeli foreign policy, have anything to do with Judaism? Why would a Catholic living in SoCal, waste any energy hating an entire group of people, that have nothing to do with his daily life? Why are you trying to turn a political discussion, into a religious one?

Wanting what Hamas wants is not a good career move. You kill Israelis you kill Jews.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Isn't it the small issues that matter to most people. I haven't seen a jihadist around here at all...they're "far away", and besides the US MIC is solving that one. The jihadists have their few minutes of notoriety but the "little issues" really do matter to most.

But nuking cities? Not a great career move!!

Greg

I gave a year to the sandbox, and I have friends both in Afghanistan now and prepairing to deploy to Iraq next year, so for me this issue hits closer to home than others.

I guess some topics hit to close to home to speak dispassionately about.

Islam is targeting our schools, make no mistake about that (which happens to be the reason I strongly oppose the Gun-Free School Zone Act). Maybe after Americans watch ISIS exicute our children on TV the public will change their tune. The cry to just nuke these bastards will not only be my own then.

Nuke ISIS...has a certain appeal; enabling the locals to rid themselves of the assholes will be a lot cleaner and cheaper in the long run.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Drifter

while watching Americans die on the streets, cold and hungry

How many Americans die in the streets of cold and hunger? What help is theirs for the asking?? How much is already spent on trying to assist them?

I have great sympathy for the homeless; I've been a volunteer at homeless shelters in the past though not of late. Most are there because of mental health issues, drugs, booze or violence. I also know that many are there to help and we do. Your argument is a red herring. ps: I am not in America.

Greg

I used the "giving billions" as an example ... not necessarily as a matter of personal belief or conviction. My point is this: America and Americans are in deep debt. We should be focusing on our own problems instead of international problems half way around the globe.

Question: If Israel is "God's chosen" then can't they rely 100% on God's supernatural help and deliverance instead of relying on Americans to bail them out every time they find themselves in a new mess?

How many US troops are stationed in Israel? The savings in perfecting weapons systems in the field: PRICELESS!!!

Greg

 

[Ellipsis]

I'm just tired of it all. No I don't seriously think nuking anyone is going to solve anything, but I do still want to see an end to it even if it has to be through a bloody Armageddon.

Besides if anyone actually did nuke Mecca, ISIS would just say that Allah has made Mecca more sacred by denying access to impure mortal man (the radiation would kill you) and has called for a global war by literally sprinkling Mecca all across the globe. Then terrorists everywhere would go after the Temple Mount as a new Mecca and we'd be right back where we are today.

 

[gtopa1]

Drifter

while watching Americans die on the streets, cold and hungry

How many Americans die in the streets of cold and hunger? What help is theirs for the asking?? How much is already spent on trying to assist them?

I have great sympathy for the homeless; I've been a volunteer at homeless shelters in the past though not of late. Most are there because of mental health issues, drugs, booze or violence. I also know that many are there to help and we do. Your argument is a red herring. ps: I am not in America.

Greg

I used the "giving billions" as an example ... not necessarily as a matter of personal belief or conviction. My point is this: America and Americans are in deep debt. We should be focusing on our own problems instead of international problems half way around the globe.

Question: If Israel is "God's chosen" then can't they rely 100% on God's supernatural help and deliverance instead of relying on Americans to bail them out every time they find themselves in a new mess?

Your backpedaling is noted. yes: you SHOULD be focusing on your own problems...but it was you guys who elected Obama. Your bad!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

"They"? It was a "he", and he illustrated the diference between formal and informal writing. You may want to take his class.

Infermal riting done do sew mudge bad spelin, cuz!!!

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Isn't it the small issues that matter to most people. I haven't seen a jihadist around here at all...they're "far away", and besides the US MIC is solving that one. The jihadists have their few minutes of notoriety but the "little issues" really do matter to most.

But nuking cities? Not a great career move!!

Greg

I gave a year to the sandbox, and I have friends both in Afghanistan now and prepairing to deploy to Iraq next year, so for me this issue hits closer to home than others.

I guess some topics hit to close to home to speak dispassionately about.

Islam is targeting our schools, make no mistake about that (which happens to be the reason I strongly oppose the Gun-Free School Zone Act). Maybe after Americans watch ISIS exicute our children on TV the public will change their tune. The cry to just nuke these bastards will not only be my own then.

Glad you served our nation. Thank you. Sorry it turned out to be another "no win war" so routinely associated with America's standard for "success." I'm no fan of radical Islam but I believe America has two, bigger threats. One of them lives in the White House while the other is pouring over our unprotected southern border by the millions. When we're able to clean up our own back yard then maybe we can "fix" the rest of the world's problems. Why their problems always fall on us to fix is a question I can't answer.

'Cause you're better than them. Simple!!

Greg

 

[Ellipsis]

"They"? It was a "he", and he illustrated the diference between formal and informal writing. You may want to take his class.

Infermal riting done do sew mudge bad spelin, cuz!!!

Greg

90% of the time these posts, at least mine, are like texts or tweets: not just informal but down right watching-the-game-in-my-underwear casual. I am what happens when you tell a 5 y/o in the deep south to "sound out the words" for a language which is not phonically based. In fact my spelling is so bad that I rarely notice mistakes made by others, either. To bad Tapatalk doesn't have red squiggly lines.

I do care about sentence structure, spelling and presentation when I make a real argument, though. I tend to save that activity for after I've weeded out the casual readers and trolls, so as you can imagine that's sort-of rare.

 

[gtopa1]

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

I'm a normal, average, middle class, working class, all-American Christian born and raised in southern California. I went to public school from Kindergarten to 12th grade and have been a worker/producer/taxpayer ever since. Here's what I think about Israel:

1) They are a people like any other. They get wet when it rains and the bathroom smells bad when they're done using it.
2) They have as much right to exist as any other people but they don't have a GREATER right to exist.
3) Based on historical documentation I don't believe that the majority of today's Israelis are genetically related to Biblical Israel.
4) Today's Israel seems to enjoy war and conflict more than most nations (with the exception of the USA). Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.
5) The Israeli lobby is powerful and has deep pockets. They seem to have a great deal of power and influence over American politicians, thus, America's foreign policy.
6) Israelis have duped a great many mainstream Christians into believing that they are "God's chosen people" thus garnering support from many blind, ignorant, and uneducated American Christians. This bodes well for Israel because of the money that flows into their coffers from the American, mainstream church. (I don't fall into that category of Christians).
7) The main religion of Israel is Judaism which is in direct conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Followers of Judaism vehemently oppose Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. This places them in direct conflict with the underlying moral tenets of the Christian west. They see non-Jews as "Goyim" (cattle) to be sheered, taxed, and bled like livestock.

Well you are definitely in the "baffle them with BULLSHIT" brigade!!

But this one in particular..

Whenever there's conflict in the Mideast you can bet that Israel will have something to do with it.

So they are behind the troubles in Syria, Iraq, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc etc etc?? Gee; they must be so ever POWERFUL to do that. Maybe those folk shouldn't mess with them!!! Gosh wait: they have their own sources of oppression and genocide...whodathunkit!!!!

Greg

Probably more "behind" many of the conflicts in the Mideast than you know or will every know. You certainly can't trust what CNN, CBS, FOX, and MSNBC will tell you. Especially since those networks are owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.

Ah ... so you ASSUME Israel is involved in all Mideast conflicts because our media is owned and controlled by Israeli-Americans.
Woo... looks like we have another mindless Nazi onboard claiming to be a red-blooded American boy. You twits are soooo easy to spot.
Sieg Heil, Bubba.

You're combining two, different topics. The conflicts in the Mideast reflect Israel's willingness to participate. That's "on" the Israelis ... not the American media. However, the information we get from the American media is (and always will be) skewed in favor of Israel even when they're in the wrong. So please ... attempt to use both of your brain cells next time before making an ass out of yourself.

I can't agree with that, Drifter, and I probably agree with you on a lot of things. I read the NYT and the WP and BOTH have a real anti-Israel slant. I doubt the Israelis are concerned, though. What's the latest tally of Syrians killed? 200000?? All their own doing. So when Obama is finished with Isis is he going to give Assad a free hand to kill his other opponents?

Obama is on a collision course with Assad...and Assad ain't blinkin'.

"They"? It was a "he", and he illustrated the diference between formal and informal writing. You may want to take his class.

Infermal riting done do sew mudge bad spelin, cuz!!!

Greg

90% of the time these posts, at least mine, are like texts or tweets: not just informal but down right watching-the-game-in-my-underwear casual. I am what happens when you tell a 5 y/o in the deep south to "sound out the words" for a language which is not phonically based. In fact my spelling is so bad that I rarely notice mistakes made by others, either. To bad Tapatalk doesn't have red squiggly lines.

I do care about sentence structure, spelling and presentation when I make a real argument, though. I tend to save that activity for after I've weeded out the casual readers and trolls, so as you can imagine that's sort-of rare.

I figured as much...but having said that it's easy enough to piss off the toadies without resorting to theater. I'm not that imaginative I suppose. lol

But anyway thanks for the comments. But really..nuke 'em?? That sounds more toady than the toads.

Greg