What do Libertarians and Independents think about Trump’s shock and awe approach to getting shit done?

[sartre play]

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President Trump is melting Progressive Liberal brains ... And destroying every pillar of the ideology ...
Reducing them to nothing but denial as a defense ... While we all watch them wither.

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Not sure that trying to destroy close to half of your fellow Americans, is really a good idea.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Court rulings.

I think the confusion lies in the Preamble.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
I think our Framers believed ALL persons have “unalienable rights” they are born with but there’s no way in hell the framework for the Constitution was constructed with Mexicos people in mind.

 

[pknopp]

I think the confusion lies in the Preamble.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
I think our Framers believed ALL persons have “unalienable rights” they are born with but there’s now way in hell the framework for the Constitution was constructed with Mexicos people in mind.

Not interested in your spin.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Not interested in your spin.

Of course you’re not..if you became interested you might stop pretending what you pretend.

 

[BlackSand]

Not sure that trying to destroy close to half of your fellow Americans, is really a good idea.

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How did President Obama put it ... "Elections have consequences."
If people need to lose their minds because they cannot figure out how to deal with it ... That's on them.

Personally ... I am all for crushing the Establishment consisting of folks in both parties.
Believe me ... I want them to wake up and quit pretending we need to be nice to each other ...
When our opposition will stop at nothing to rob our freedoms and subjugate us to the Federal Government.

In fact ... I don't even care if they want to give theirs up ...
They can keep their fucking hands off mine ...

If some of my fellow Americans cannot figure out how to take care of their own responsibilities and obligations ...
Especially within the confines of their State and Local governments ... Because they cannot achieve the support they need for their desires.
That's not my problem ... Step up or get left behind.
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[BlackSand]

I wish he would shut his mouth about Greenland and the Panama Canal.

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International Affairs is actually something that is the Federal Government's business ...
Putting tampons in the boy's restroom at a middle school in Minnesota is not the Federal Government's business.

When a lot of people can get on that page, with that idea ... Then I'll start to care what they think.
Otherwise ... Just about every issue is low hanging fruit ... And we can watch the cannon fodder kill each other ...

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[Dogmaphobe]

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International Affairs is actually something that is the Federal Government's business ...
Putting tampons in the boy's restroom at a middle school in Minnesota is not the Federal Government's business.

When a lot of people can get on that page, with that idea ... Then I'll start to care what they think.
Otherwise ... Just about every issue is low hanging fruit ... And we can watch the cannon fodder kill each other ...

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I wouldn't support tampons in the boys restrooms, but I do condoms


It would be part of my "help prevent more people like you" campaign

 

[BrokeLoser]

Libertarian? What's that?

dblack is a very active poster and staunch Libertarian but he won’t post in this thread…I wonder why?

 

[Independent thinker]

dblack is a very active poster and staunch Libertarian but he won’t post in this thread…I wonder why?

I myself have had a dislike for both parties for many years now and I wish we could get a viable third party or parties. Democrats and Republicans have failed us. I was actually very big on hoping for the Reform party many years ago and then they imploded. I also had some hope for the current No Labels party but it doesn't look like they are going anywhere but into the same dustbin the Libertarians are already buried in. While I still hope for a viable third party, I refuse to be a loser like the Libertarians are. I remember the days when they talked about hitting between 10 - 20 percent of the vote. In 2024 their nominee said he was hoping for 2% of the vote and wound up getting 1%. Might as well just stay home and binge on Gilligan's Island reruns.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I myself have had a dislike for both parties for many years now and I wish we could get a viable third party or parties. Democrats and Republicans have failed us. I was actually very big on hoping for the Reform party many years ago and then they imploded. I also had some hope for the current No Labels party but it doesn't look like they are going anywhere but into the same dustbin the Libertarians are already buried in. While I still hope for a viable third party, I refuse to be a loser like the Libertarians are. I remember the days when they talked about hitting between 10 - 20 percent of the vote. In 2024 their nominee said he was hoping for 2% of the vote and wound up getting 1%. Might as well just stay home and binge on Gilligan's Island reruns.

Politicians are what voters want them to be…I say we failed us, we were too caring, too compassionate, we fucked ourselves by being tolerant and inclusive, we allowed too many different people in….Voters have failed us. We have too many people voting who don’t know what they’re voting for…too many people voting for free shit, abortions, faggotry and chick with dicks, too many people voting who can’t tell you what words title our Preamble…We aren’t the nation we once were because we’re not comprised of the same type of people, we’re a diverse shithole with too many differences, too many different wants and needs.

 

[Independent thinker]

Politicians are what voters want them to be…I say we failed us, we were too caring, too compassionate, we fucked ourselves by being tolerant and inclusive, we allowed too many different people in….Voters have failed us. We have too many people voting who don’t know what they’re voting for…too many people voting for free shit, abortions, faggotry and chick with dicks, too many people voting who can’t tell you what words title our Preamble…We aren’t the nation we once were because we’re not comprised of the same type of people, we’re a diverse shithole with too many differences, too many different wants and needs.

I have noticed on various forums that many on the left don't really know details of issues (just the released talking points) and just vote with the hive mentality while many on the right are actually pretty well informed.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I have noticed on various forums that many on the left don't really know details of issues and just vote with the hive mentality while many on the right are actually pretty well informed.

Agree…the problem is; it’s much easier to lean left…that’s why our youth are ignorant lefties…it requires no self awareness, no self discipline, no accountability, no ambition, no concern for the future of America….etc etc. They can pick their one retarded issue (abortion or or free shit) and vote on it…Good Americans tend to care about passing on the same America we inherited and we tend to try to vote America on the right trajectory…often times voting against our own immediate interests.

 

[Independent thinker]

Agree…the problem is; it’s much easier to lean left…that’s why our youth are ignorant lefties…it requires no self awareness, no self discipline, no accountability, no ambition, no concern for the future of America….etc etc. They can pick their one retarded issue (abortion or or free shit) and vote on it…Good Americans tend to care about passing on the same America we inherited and we tend to try to vote America on the right trajectory…often times voting against our own immediate interests.

I used to be one of those young lefties. I grew up.

 

[sealybobo]

Post this thread in a year or two.


Normal, sane, non-partisans, can only judge the quality and action of government by data and proven outcomes.


It is far too early to do that right now.

I think now would be a good time to revisit this thread. I was wondering how Libertarian's feel about Trump interfering in the free market?

 

[pknopp]

I think now would be a good time to revisit this thread. I was wondering how Libertarian's feel about Trump interfering in the free market?

Maybe the question should be posed to Trump supporters that for years pretended to be free market capitalists.

 

[BrokeLoser]

I think now would be a good time to revisit this thread. I was wondering how Libertarian's feel about Trump interfering in the free market?

Maybe the question should be posed to Trump supporters that for years pretended to be free market capitalists.

Can you tell us how Trump is interfering in the free market?

 

[sealybobo]

Can you tell us how Trump is interfering in the free market?

Are you kidding? Tariffs.

 

[sealybobo]

Can you tell us how Trump is interfering in the free market?

And by the way. Trump is proving us liberals right. What have we always told you? Government is the ultimate referee. There is no such thing as a "free market"

Democracy - Not "The Free Market" - Will Save America's Middle Class

Here are a couple of headlines for those who haven't had the time to study both economics and history: There is no such thing as a "free market." The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it (as millions of Americans and Europeans...

www.thomhartmann.com

Means Thom was right what he said in 2004

The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it

Suddenly you agree. You must because that's exactly what Trump's doing. Damn. Trump is still a liberal. So are you now. Weird.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Are you kidding? Tariffs.

All government policy has a direct or indirect effect on the “free market”.
Think about how Biden’s open border impacted capitalism and the free market.

 

[BrokeLoser]

And by the way. Trump is proving us liberals right. What have we always told you? Government is the ultimate referee. There is no such thing as a "free market"

As previously stated; almost all government policy impacts the free market…always has, always will.

Means Thom was right what he said in 2004

The "middle class" is the creation of government intervention in the marketplace, and won't exist without it

NOPE…All classes are the created by personal desires and ambitions…We all operate within the same system. The middle class has died because the caucasian population has dropped 20 points, because you and pknopp recruited 50 million brown people with no desire or ambition.

Suddenly you agree. You must because that's exactly what Trump's doing. Damn. Trump is still a liberal. So are you now. Weird.

Negative…there’s not one single liberal bone in my body…PERIOD.