What do Communist, Socialist mean?

[JakeStarkey]

Nick, you are a loon.

And you're an ignorant tyrant....It's odd how I have to be authoritarian to push freedom.... You wanna be a ******* robot then move to California and be a communist sheep....

You don't push freedom at all. You have no idea, really, what communism, socialism, fascism, democracy, etc as terms really mean and how they apply historically and presently. You are a mess.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those words have become conservative dogma. Use of such words denotes mental laziness.

Actually they are accurate descriptions of a growing cancer in our society. The fact that you can't recognize that says more about you than the people who are correctly using the terms.

Yes, the "Red Menace" is among us, growing like a cancer, enveloping freedom and the American way. Good thing there are patriots like you to ferret out the communist socialist Marxist haters posing as Americans.

Quick, who won the National League Pennant in 1951?

I wonder if the far righty wacks here know that the man who hit the home run in the deciding playoff game to win the NL pennant for the Giants was a socialist?

 

[francoHFW]

Thomson, 1951, a socialist?

 

[barry1960]

Actually they are accurate descriptions of a growing cancer in our society. The fact that you can't recognize that says more about you than the people who are correctly using the terms.

Yes, the "Red Menace" is among us, growing like a cancer, enveloping freedom and the American way. Good thing there are patriots like you to ferret out the communist socialist Marxist haters posing as Americans.

Quick, who won the National League Pennant in 1951?

I wonder if the far righty wacks here know that the man who hit the home run in the deciding playoff game to win the NL pennant for the Giants was a socialist?

KWC57 will be by to confiscate your passport since your knowledge that Bobby Thompson was a socialist exhibits certain tendancies. You socialists are everywhere. .......

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Classical liberals!!! Translation- Libertarians running from a label that has become increasingly known as having little relevance to the real world. Commonly seen stealing the robes of The Founders and pretending they can read their minds.

Libertarianism proper, though it fall within the realm of classical liberalism, is not the classical liberalism of the Founders, and I am not a libertarian. The classical liberalism of the Founders is akin, roughly, to an informed synthesis of contemporary American conservatism and libertarianism in accordance with the works of John Locke, the Father of classical liberalism (Two Treatises of Civil Government) and Adam Smith (An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations), for example. Hayek's The Road to Serfdom is a more recent work which propounds the economics of classical liberalism against the destructive, stultifying or poverty-inducing effects of socialism.

Libertarianism proper or pure libertarianism has a comparatively small following, and in my opinion is of little practical use beyond its facility as an important political critique of contemporary American conservatism, as the former, in my opinion, tends, for the most part, to exert a positive or corrective influence upon the latter. Presumably, the label to which you refer is libertarianism (though the construction of your sentences makes classical liberalism the grammatical subject) since the notion that classical liberalism "has become increasingly known as having little relevance to the real world" is preposterous, a laughable stupidity.

 

[sealybobo]

David Woolner: Franklin D. Roosevelt: Socialist or "Champion of Freedom"?

One of the consistent arguments that conservative Republicans are hurling against the Democrats is that their support for federal intervention in the economy represents an attack on individual liberty and is socialism. The use of such tactics is not new, of course. Franklin Roosevelt faced similar charges.

FDR brushed aside these attacks in part by insisting that we were a rich nation that could "afford to pay for security and prosperity without having to sacrifice our liberties into the bargain." He also turned to our nation's history, reminding the American people that in the first century of our republic, when "we were short of capital, short of workers, and short of industrial production, but... were rich... in free land, and free timber and free mineral wealth," the federal government "rightly assumed the duty of promoting business and relieving depression by giving subsidies of land and other resources." Thus, he said, "from our earliest days we have had a tradition of substantial government help to our system of private enterprise."

democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself." , but from the "heedless self interest" of those in positions of vast wealth and power, whose greed crushed individual initiative and so restricted "the field open for free business" that private enterprise "became too private... it became privileged enterprise, not free enterprise." In such a system, the political equality the American people once enjoyed became "meaningless in the face of economic inequality," and as such "life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness."

For Roosevelt, then, government intervention in the economy was not about destroying individual liberty; it was about restoring individual liberty. It was about making capitalism work in such a way as to ensure equal economic opportunity for all Americans, not just the privileged few at the top.

 

[sealybobo]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Actually they are accurate descriptions of a growing cancer in our society. The fact that you can't recognize that says more about you than the people who are correctly using the terms.

Yes, the "Red Menace" is among us, growing like a cancer, enveloping freedom and the American way. Good thing there are patriots like you to ferret out the communist socialist Marxist haters posing as Americans.

Quick, who won the National League Pennant in 1951?

I wonder if the far righty wacks here know that the man who hit the home run in the deciding playoff game to win the NL pennant for the Giants was a socialist?

I wonder how JakeStarkey still pretends to be an authority on nationality and citizenship law after so seriously bungling the content and purpose of Title 8, Section 1401 of the uniform rule/code of naturalization. I wonder why he fails to acknowledge the ignorance and blatant stupidity of his claims regarding a matter so complex and deplorably misunderstood by so many already. Why does he add to the confusion?

In short, why is the opinion of the leftist, phony ass JakeStarkey about American classical liberals a mosquito squatting on an elephant's ass?


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http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...it-cannot-be-used-to-deter-9.html#post5162732


http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...it-cannot-be-used-to-deter-9.html#post5164627


http://www.usmessageboard.com/consp...it-cannot-be-used-to-deter-9.html#post5164690

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

For Roosevelt, then, government intervention in the economy was not about destroying individual liberty; it was about restoring individual liberty. It was about making capitalism work in such a way as to ensure equal economic opportunity for all Americans, not just the privileged few at the top.

And of course his policies where utter failures on all counts save one: they succeeded in prolonging the Great Depression, just as LBJ's War on Poverty only served to create a permanent welfare class and increase the rate of poverty over the years, just as Obama's Keynesianism has only served to jack up that very same rate to its highest level in American history. Leftyism is not about equal opportunity at all; it's about the political, cultural and economic instability and wealth-destroying stupidity of governmentally imposed equal outcome by self-anointed, parasitic, statist thugs.

 

[Seawytch]

Well, when it comes to the folks here at USMB throwing both words around like glitter at a Lady Gaga concert...

 

[Erand7899]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

You lefties need to decide whether the rich have already taken over our government, or the government is protecting us from the rich. You can't have it both ways.

We the people, have various levels of government, and we the people expect each level of government to serve us in the manner established by our US Constitution and the Constitutions of our various states. We the people pay taxes to local and state governments, and expect those governments to provide us with fire and police protection. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those local functions.

We the people pay school taxes, and expect the local school board to provide public schooling for our children. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those functions.

We the people expect local and state governments to provide for the needs of people who cannot provide for themselves. We expect any gaps to be filled by private charities. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those functions.

We do expect the federal government to carry out the functions assigned to it by the US Constitution. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to do any more, or any less.

 

[sealybobo]

For Roosevelt, then, government intervention in the economy was not about destroying individual liberty; it was about restoring individual liberty. It was about making capitalism work in such a way as to ensure equal economic opportunity for all Americans, not just the privileged few at the top.

And of course his policies where utter failures on all counts save one: they succeeded in prolonging the Great Depression, just as LBJ's War on Poverty only served to create a permanent welfare class and increase the rate of poverty over the years, just as Obama's Keynesianism has only served to jack up that very same rate to its highest level in American history. Leftyism is not about equal opportunity at all; it's about the political, cultural and economic instability and wealth-destroying stupidity of governmentally imposed equal outcome by self-anointed, parasitic, statist thugs.

What this ahole just said is the perfect example of a Republican lie. I'm sick of showing/explaining/proving why what you said is a lie and or wrong. Isn't there a right wing wikipedia site that has all the truth but from a conservatives perspective? This would be one of the lies you would find at that site. Pure bullshit.

 

[sealybobo]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

You lefties need to decide whether the rich have already taken over our government, or the government is protecting us from the rich. You can't have it both ways.

We the people, have various levels of government, and we the people expect each level of government to serve us in the manner established by our US Constitution and the Constitutions of our various states. We the people pay taxes to local and state governments, and expect those governments to provide us with fire and police protection. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those local functions.

We the people pay school taxes, and expect the local school board to provide public schooling for our children. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those functions.

We the people expect local and state governments to provide for the needs of people who cannot provide for themselves. We expect any gaps to be filled by private charities. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to get involved in those functions.

We do expect the federal government to carry out the functions assigned to it by the US Constitution. We do not expect, nor want the federal government to do any more, or any less.

If FDR couldn't convince you then how can I? Lets just agree to disagree. But I think most people agree with me/FDR on the New Deal and the social safety nets. You and the rich don't, but you aren't going to win in November. You only win midterms because people don't show up to midterms. The GOP's secret weapon is midterm elections.

 

[sealybobo]

a. No one wants communism.
b. America has always and should always be part socialism and part capitalism. Post office, public works, police, teachers, etc. So we will always have a huge percentage of our workforce working for the government. Republicans want less government, but they are not suggesting completely doing away with Government jobs, are they? To what point do they want to privatize? No more public schools? No more Grand Canyon owned by the public? A corporation owns Yellowstone? That is what Ron Paul wants, and ultimately Romney too.

c. Capitalism/Free markets can become dirty words too, just like Communism. Our free market capitalism is looking a lot like Fascism/Feudalism. We've seen that before. Doesn't work.

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

And now the truth of the matter. . . .

Socialist economics destroys small business and ensures that only the very rich can afford to control our government. Small business, historically the economic engine driving the growth and prosperity of the middle class, has been driven to the point of virtual extinction in socialist Europe. The identification of a monopoly is largely a subjective function. Via overweening regulation, the federal government has more often than not shut out emerging competitors and protected inefficient monopolies. The highest corporate tax in the world and retarded regulation, leftist policies, not conservative, have driven companies, particularly those that provide skilled manufacturing jobs, overseas.

Telling clueless leftists about how rapidly the economy would grow, how the middleclass would come roaring back, how the poverty rate would dramatically go down, how much more quickly the national debt could be retired if leftist governmental policies and spending were to be rescinded in general, more specifically, the capital gains and death tax abolished, the corporate and income tax rates dramatically reduced and dimwit regulation banished, is like telling a newborn to wipe its own ass. They have no idea how incredibly stupid they are given recent history in which achieving just a small measure of these things turned nearly a decade of stagflation into 20 years of historically unprecedented economic growth and prosperity for all.

Leftists are insufferable louts whose policies have never generated anything but moral and intellectual degeneracy, parasitic dependency and sloth. They are pollyanish, self-righteous, moralizing little pricks, forever lecturing and spending other people's money as they would drive America to bankruptcy and ruin.

 

[sealybobo]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

And now the truth of the matter. . . .

Socialist economics destroys small business and ensures that only the very rich can afford to control our government. Small business, historically the economic engine driving the growth and prosperity of the middle class, has been driven to the point of virtual extinction in socialist Europe. The identification of a monopoly is largely a subjective function. Via overweening regulation, the federal government has more often than not shut out emerging competitors and protected inefficient monopolies. The highest corporate tax in the world and retarded regulation, leftist policies, not conservative, have driven companies, particularly those that provide skilled manufacturing jobs, overseas.

Telling clueless leftists about how rapidly the economy would grow, how the middleclass would come roaring back, how the poverty rate would dramatically go down, how much more quickly the national debt could be retired if leftist governmental policies and spending were to be rescinded in general, more specifically, the capital gains and death tax abolished, the corporate and income tax rates dramatically reduced and dimwit regulation banished, is like telling a newborn to wipe its own ass. They have no idea how incredibly stupid they are given recent history in which achieving just a small measure of these things turned nearly a decade of stagflation into 20 years of historically unprecedented economic growth and prosperity for all.

Leftists are insufferable louts whose policies have never generated anything but moral and intellectual degeneracy, parasitic dependency and sloth. They are self-righteous, moralizing little pricks, forever lecturing and spending other people's money as they would drive America to bankruptcy and ruin.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Wallmart and manufacturing everything in China is what is killing the middle class. And Unions that paid $35 hr are gone. Now those jobs are coming back at $10hr.

The economy will never get better if all the wealth is in the hands of the few.

I think its funny righties cry about socialism when it was their unregulated free market capitalism that tanked the economy, for the middle class only. Worked great for the rich. But not for anyone else. But don't regulate them dummy! If you do you are a socialist!

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

You lefties need to decide whether the rich have already taken over our government, or the government is protecting us from the rich. You can't have it both ways.

Precisely! On the very face of it, virtually everything that comes out of lefty's slogan-spouting mouth is a contradiction. The policies of their misguided worldview can only serve to drive America toward, not away from, the disastrous outcomes they think to avert.

 

[francoHFW]

Bullshytte, party of NO! dupe...

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

So whenever our government that represents We The People stops the rich from taking over our government, Republicans call it socialism. If our government stops a monopoly, that's socialism. And if we don't let them kill the American Middle class by sending all of our jobs to China, we are socialists!

I keep telling Republicans that they will get chewed up and spit out in a real free market. THey have no idea how important their liberal government is to their way of life. Americans are ignorant and spoiled and that's usually when a society falls apart.

And now the truth of the matter. . . .

Socialist economics destroys small business and ensures that only the very rich can afford to control our government. Small business, historically the economic engine driving the growth and prosperity of the middle class, has been driven to the point of virtual extinction in socialist Europe. The identification of a monopoly is largely a subjective function. Via overweening regulation, the federal government has more often than not shut out emerging competitors and protected inefficient monopolies. The highest corporate tax in the world and retarded regulation, leftist policies, not conservative, have driven companies, particularly those that provide skilled manufacturing jobs, overseas.

Telling clueless leftists about how rapidly the economy would grow, how the middleclass would come roaring back, how the poverty rate would dramatically go down, how much more quickly the national debt could be retired if leftist governmental policies and spending were to be rescinded in general, more specifically, the capital gains and death tax abolished, the corporate and income tax rates dramatically reduced and dimwit regulation banished, is like telling a newborn to wipe its own ass. They have no idea how incredibly stupid they are given recent history in which achieving just a small measure of these things turned nearly a decade of stagflation into 20 years of historically unprecedented economic growth and prosperity for all.

Leftists are insufferable louts whose policies have never generated anything but moral and intellectual degeneracy, parasitic dependency and sloth. They are self-righteous, moralizing little pricks, forever lecturing and spending other people's money as they would drive America to bankruptcy and ruin.

What a bunch of bullshit.

Wallmart and manufacturing everything in China is what is killing the middle class. And Unions that paid $35 hr are gone. Now those jobs are coming back at $10hr.

The economy will never get better if all the wealth is in the hands of the few.

I think its funny righties cry about socialism when it was their unregulated free market capitalism that tanked the economy, for the middle class only. Worked great for the rich. But not for anyone else. But don't regulate them dummy! If you do you are a socialist!

Another contradiction in the face of human nature and real-world necessities.

So why are those jobs in China? Sealybooboo doesn't tell us, only insinuates that companies leave the superior infrastructural conveniences and advantages of the United States for no other reason but to intentionally hurt the American worker.

Lefty has no idea, really, just the arrogance to unwittingly insist that "evil big business" be obliged to suffer loses in the face of absurd rates of taxation and regulation. Precisely what agent has the power to either reduce the same to competitive levels or compel businesses to stay here, shrink and employ less and less people, for less and less wages? Answer: a sensible government or a burgeoning police state, respectively.

You see what I mean, folks? Like I said, you might as well tell a newborn to wipe its own ass.

 

[francoHFW]

Those jobs in China are coming back- their salaries are getting too high now...LOL

Stupid Pub marketing majors...