What Divides the Conservatives

[Sundial]

The one thing that unifies conservatives:

Obama being black.

No, it’s because he’s a democrat.

What Divides the Conservatives

Rove v. Palin/Bachmann/Perry

Rove is kind of the ‘Old Guard,’ as it were – or perhaps the ‘new’ Old Guard. He’d rather win elections with a knife in you back than a bible in your face.

Rove/Palin feud spills onto Fox - On Media - POLITICO.com

Or it's because Obama failed to meet any meaningful promises he set during his campaign... Are you that fucking far gone that you really believe the only reason conservatives don’t like Obama is because he is a Democrat? Tell us all why Obama's own base is almost to the point of no return and rabidly attacking him now?

You need to get a fuckin clue bro. Most conservatives came around to the fact that Bush sucked, (28% approval rating) and it's your turn to take Obama's cock out of your mouth because all we are hearing is this sucking noise when you relentlessly defend him for failing.

The liberal wing of the Democratic is critical of Obama. But they'll turn out to vote for him. The idea that Obama hasn't accomplished anything is wrong. Obamacare, killing Bin Laden, and ending Don't Ask/Don't Tell, to name three. He also got a payroll tax cut, along with a number of other middle-class tax breaks, which is not nothing.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The one thing that unifies conservatives:

Obama being black.

That is the one thing that unifies idiots, which is why you keep bringing it up.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The animating principle of liberalism, from my point of view, is that life is fundamentally unfair, and that we (as a people) should should try to do something about it. We may not always agree about what should be done, but we do agree that we don't just leave someone behind.

Right. And it used to be about freedom and equal rights. What happened?

I keep wondering about that myself. I remember how hard liberals fought for deregulation of the airlines, and how all of their predictions about lower costs and more competition were proven to be right. Now they want more regulation, less competition, and less freedom. What the fuck happened to them?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The conservatives of today are quite an interesting topic. Today the conservative aspect of the country is represented strongly by the huge corporate powers who are interested only in attaining as much wealth as possible. They have a hatred for those who work hard just to make ends meet and believe in stripping them of any assistance whatsoever. Hence they would love to see SS and medicare and medicaid stopped.

That was incredible.

Incredible that anyone could be that stupid and still able to operate a computer.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The one thing that unifies conservatives:

Obama being black.

If we could only go to back to the '90's when conservatives were so unified behind President Clinton because, you know, he was a white male.

While it's true that Republicans have become a very dirty party which spent more than 40 million in taxpayer money to try to take down Clinton, still, they did work with him, a little. With Obama, it's different. He's black. This not only has angered Republicans, it has enraged them. Look at "recess appointments". Just one indicator. In fact, Republicans have left a half dozen congressmen behind during recess so they can convene congress everyday for 20 or 30 SECONDS just to block Obama.

Since Republicans want to end Medicare, Social Security and raise taxes on the Middle Class (see payroll tax), it's clear their leadership is NOT supporting the majority of Americans. The Republican base accepts this because Obama is black. They want the country to fail to keep a black president from succeeding. Only honest Republicans will admit that, but we all know it to be true.

Presidential Recess Records

From George Washington forward, the other 43 presidents have used recess appointment authority to keep federal offices filled. Ronald Reagan recess commissioned 240 federal officials, George H.W. Bush (one term) 74, Bill Clinton 139 (including one judge), and George W. Bush 171 (including two judges). Obama has thus far has recess commissioned only 28.


House Blocks Obama Appointments Through 2012

Can you explain how that happened? Before you get started I suggest you remember a simple fact, up until this year the Republicans had absolutely no power to keep Obama from doing anything during the recess. You actually have to be the Majority Leader of either the House or the Senate to prevent either from going into recess, and both of those positions were filled by Democrats until January of this year.

Maybe the real truth is that Obama, being the do nothing type, never made recess appointments because he is just to stupid to figure out he has the ability. Or, more likely, being a Constitutional scholar, he might understand that the power to use recess appointments is not something to be abused. That would actually engender my respect of it were true, do you think he is really that smart?

By the way, did you know that Obama actually has the power under the Constitution to end this session of Congress and make all the recess appointments he wants? Given that he is a scholar, I am actually willing to bet he knows that, which makes you whinging about the Republicans blocking him from making recess appointments even more laughable.

It also proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

Before you go whinging about a link, let me quote the applicable section of the Constitution.

Article 2 Section 3

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Since I just proved that Obama has the power to do what you are complaining the Republicans are preventing him from going I expect you to apologize to all Republicans, everyone on this board, and the entire world for your constant whinging and blaming the Republicans for blocking Obama on every move he makes.

I lied, I don't expect it, but I bet your (insert unmentionable family member) does. I know you are a dishonest hack who will continue to lie and blame the Republicans for all the problems Obama has, even the ones he clearly has the power to fix.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

If RepubliCON$ aren't crying about something, they don't feel good.

The only person crying in this thread is rdean.

 

[bripat9643]

The liberal wing of the Democratic is critical of Obama. But they'll turn out to vote for him. The idea that Obama hasn't accomplished anything is wrong. Obamacare, killing Bin Laden, and ending Don't Ask/Don't Tell, to name three. He also got a payroll tax cut, along with a number of other middle-class tax breaks, which is not nothing.

The "liberal wing of the Democrat party?" I've got news for you, buddy: there is no conservative wing.

 

[hippie2049]

The "liberal wing of the Democrat party?" I've got news for you, buddy: there is no conservative wing.

Yes, there is a conservative wing of the democratic party and, they're called Blue Dog Democrats.

Where is the liberal wing of the republican party? Where is the moderate wing of the republican party?

 

[JoeB131]

While it's true that Republicans have become a very dirty party which spent more than 40 million in taxpayer money to try to take down Clinton, still, they did work with him, a little. With Obama, it's different. He's black. This not only has angered Republicans, it has enraged them. Look at "recess appointments". Just one indicator. In fact, Republicans have left a half dozen congressmen behind during recess so they can convene congress everyday for 20 or 30 SECONDS just to block Obama.

Since Republicans want to end Medicare, Social Security and raise taxes on the Middle Class (see payroll tax), it's clear their leadership is NOT supporting the majority of Americans. The Republican base accepts this because Obama is black. They want the country to fail to keep a black president from succeeding. Only honest Republicans will admit that, but we all know it to be true.

Presidential Recess Records

From George Washington forward, the other 43 presidents have used recess appointment authority to keep federal offices filled. Ronald Reagan recess commissioned 240 federal officials, George H.W. Bush (one term) 74, Bill Clinton 139 (including one judge), and George W. Bush 171 (including two judges). Obama has thus far has recess commissioned only 28.


House Blocks Obama Appointments Through 2012

You guys screamed bloody murder when Bush made recess appointments..

Now you are for them because Obama wants to make them.

We have a process, it should be followed. If Obama wants his guys to get appointed, he should appoint people the Senate can vote for.

Someone figured out a way to legally stop the abuse. Good for them.

Bush made a hundred and seventy one, Obama has made 28. What the fuck are you crying about?

Not crying,man. Laughing hysterically that they've found yet another way to outwit this moron.

You're the one whining that he can't use a trick to appoint socialists to key government agencies.

 

[hippie2049]

Not crying,man. Laughing hysterically that they've found yet another way to outwit this moron.

You're the one whining that he can't use a trick to appoint socialists to key government agencies.

The party of NO KNOWS NO better than to just say NO because they KNOW NO better.

If Obama does something he's playing politics and evil, if Obama doesn't do something then he's an outwitted moron.

9/11=>Obama=>Socialist and if you don't agree your unaMerican and can GIT GIT GIT!

 

[JoeB131]

Not crying,man. Laughing hysterically that they've found yet another way to outwit this moron.

You're the one whining that he can't use a trick to appoint socialists to key government agencies.

The party of NO KNOWS NO better than to just say NO because they KNOW NO better.

If Obama does something he's playing politics and evil, if Obama doesn't do something then he's an outwitted moron.

9/11=>Obama=>Socialist and if you don't agree your unaMerican and can GIT GIT GIT!

Never said Obama was "evil". Incompetent, inept and an ego larger than life, yeah. He's all that.

A guy who writes TWO autobiographies before he ever accomplished anything.

You liberals should be more upset with him than Conservatives. He's set you back by decades.

 

[bripat9643]

The "liberal wing of the Democrat party?" I've got news for you, buddy: there is no conservative wing.

Yes, there is a conservative wing of the democratic party and, they're called Blue Dog Democrats.

Where is the liberal wing of the republican party? Where is the moderate wing of the republican party?

The so-called "Blue-dog Democrats" are fake conservatives. They may vote "conservative" on bills that don't matter to anyone, but when it comes to important stuff they are reliable votes for the socialist agenda. They all voted for Obamacare. Every last one of them.

 

[uscitizen]

The "liberal wing of the Democrat party?" I've got news for you, buddy: there is no conservative wing.

Yes, there is a conservative wing of the democratic party and, they're called Blue Dog Democrats.

Where is the liberal wing of the republican party? Where is the moderate wing of the republican party?

The so-called "Blue-dog Democrats" are fake conservatives. They may vote "conservative" on bills that don't matter to anyone, but when it comes to important stuff they are reliable votes for the socialist agenda. They all voted for Obamacare. Every last one of them.

There are no true conservatives.

 

[dblack]

I don't know much about Kucinich and Nader, other than they're fringe figures who aren't relevant. Nader, supposedly, used to be relevant, before he went off the farm and cost us the Gore/Bush election. I guess that makes me a "mainstream" Democrat, because I'm a fan of both Clinton and Obama, and I know next to nothing about the other two.

You should check them out. There are some Democrats with integrity, however fleeting. The progressives (wikipedia article for more background info) are the people who are the most betrayed by corporatist Democratic policies like the ATA or the continued warfare state. Modern Democrats string them along with false hope in the same way the Republicans do the libertarians.

 

[Gadawg73]

The animating principle of liberalism, from my point of view, is that life is fundamentally unfair, and that we (as a people) should should try to do something about it. We may not always agree about what should be done, but we do agree that we don't just leave someone behind.

Right. And it used to be about freedom and equal rights. What happened?

I keep wondering about that myself. I remember how hard liberals fought for deregulation of the airlines, and how all of their predictions about lower costs and more competition were proven to be right. Now they want more regulation, less competition, and less freedom. What the fuck happened to them?

Damn, that is an excellent observation.
But I also wonder where that would be now on the priority list for right wing "conservatives"?
#2 on their list is a ban on gay marriage.
#147 on their list would be deregulation of private businesses.

 

[Gadawg73]

I don't know much about Kucinich and Nader, other than they're fringe figures who aren't relevant. Nader, supposedly, used to be relevant, before he went off the farm and cost us the Gore/Bush election. I guess that makes me a "mainstream" Democrat, because I'm a fan of both Clinton and Obama, and I know next to nothing about the other two.

You should check them out. There are some Democrats with integrity, however fleeting. The progressives (wikipedia article for more background info) are the people who are the most betrayed by corporatist Democratic policies like the ATA or the continued warfare state. Modern Democrats string them along with false hope in the same way the Republicans do the libertarians.

There are a hell of a lot of Democrats with integrity.
My father was one. After Nixon, he went back to Democrat.
Dad was a PHD in education, Marine Colonel combat veteran of WWII and Korea and worked his entire life.
And he never looked down on me as I vote GOP 90% of the time.

 

[JWBooth]

The one thing that unifies conservatives:

Obama being black.

It is my understanding that he is only half black.
Did I miss something?

 

[JWBooth]

Fuck 'em all. They all believe that there is some government solution to every perceived problem.

 

[Gadawg73]

It used to be there was respect in the Republican party for all opinions and no one was labeled as "anti God" or not Christian enough if they did disagree.

Used to be until the religous right hijacked our party.

 

[dblack]

There are a hell of a lot of Democrats with integrity.
My father was one. After Nixon, he went back to Democrat.
Dad was a PHD in education, Marine Colonel combat veteran of WWII and Korea and worked his entire life.
And he never looked down on me as I vote GOP 90% of the time.

Fair to say. I didn't really mean to slam voters so much as the leaders who seem more interested in maintaining the status quo than real change.

My axe here is that there's a wide range of issues and concerns that both major parties are ignoring, and it would behoove those of us concerned about them to work together. The puppet theater of the 'left/right' divide is, all-too-often, merely a distraction from real progress.