What did our founders really mean when they said “general welfare”?

[BrokeLoser]

we should compare and contrast with terms our Founding Fathers did not use; the general warfare or the common offense.

BrokeLoser, I cannot improve upon Daniel Palos’s succinct response. But I question the cognizance, and/or logic, and/or the decency of anyone’s character, who doesn’t believe population’s general welfare should be of governments’ concerns.

Respectfully, Supposn

I think you may have self manipulated.
You see, nobody said the GENERAL WELFARE of the citizenry shouldn’t be the concern of government...quite the contrary actually, I have said Father Government should be concerned with the GENERAL WELFARE of the citizenry and not the WELFARE of factions within the citizenry.

Helping people who need help is in the interest of the General Welfare of all.

Government needs to do what needs doing

Our alleged war on drugs cannot be said to be within the scope of providing for the general welfare.

There is no such thing, there is no "war on drugs"...that's just weird crazy talk that originated with drug users, criminals and weirdos.
Tell us about the "war" on drunk driving will you?

Uh... no, both the phrase and the policy were created by the government. Nixon, in particular.

All imposition of law is a “war on _______” isn’t it?
Who declared war on rape?

 

[BrokeLoser]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

 

[rightwinger]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nobody demands equality of outcome
Conservative propaganda

People want government to enforce a level playing field

Reparations is equality of outcome. Race quotas = equality of outcome.

I don’t support reparations but they are payment for past transgressions.
affirmative action levels the playing field

My white grandparents had to change their dago last name because of the real hassles they had to go through.

So I want me some reparations too.

Did they have to drink from separate drinking fountains?

Their families were verbally harassed and looked at like GD animals. Shit placed on their yards.

Bro. Don't give me that mother fucking water fountain shit. Many nationalities were treated like shit. They didn't whine for 150 GD years.

Again, we should have been picking our own GD cotton. Then we never would have dealt with this curse because today they would not exist.

There is a difference in being treated like shit by other people and being treated like shit by the Government

None of the people born today or even the last generation were alive then No slaves and no owners. I nor my Government owe blacks any thing except equality under the law.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody demands equality of outcome
Conservative propaganda

People want government to enforce a level playing field

Reparations is equality of outcome. Race quotas = equality of outcome.

I don’t support reparations but they are payment for past transgressions.
affirmative action levels the playing field

My white grandparents had to change their dago last name because of the real hassles they had to go through.

So I want me some reparations too.

Did they have to drink from separate drinking fountains?

Their families were verbally harassed and looked at like GD animals. Shit placed on their yards.

Bro. Don't give me that mother fucking water fountain shit. Many nationalities were treated like shit. They didn't whine for 150 GD years.

Again, we should have been picking our own GD cotton. Then we never would have dealt with this curse because today they would not exist.

There is a difference in being treated like shit by other people and being treated like shit by the Government

None of the people born today or even the last generation were alive then No slaves and no owners. I nor my Government owe blacks any thing except equality under the law.

I was alive during Jim Crow and saw officially sanctioned racism

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nobody demands equality of outcome
Conservative propaganda

People want government to enforce a level playing field

Reparations is equality of outcome. Race quotas = equality of outcome.

I don’t support reparations but they are payment for past transgressions.
affirmative action levels the playing field

My white grandparents had to change their dago last name because of the real hassles they had to go through.

So I want me some reparations too.

Did they have to drink from separate drinking fountains?

Their families were verbally harassed and looked at like GD animals. Shit placed on their yards.

Bro. Don't give me that mother fucking water fountain shit. Many nationalities were treated like shit. They didn't whine for 150 GD years.

Again, we should have been picking our own GD cotton. Then we never would have dealt with this curse because today they would not exist.

There is a difference in being treated like shit by other people and being treated like shit by the Government

None of the people born today or even the last generation were alive then No slaves and no owners. I nor my Government owe blacks any thing except equality under the law.

I was alive during Jim Crow and saw officially sanctioned racism

So what that doesn't rate reparations. And if it does let the democrats pay it they instituted the policy and enforced it. We haven't had Jim Crow since 1970. that is 50 years. And we have made up for that with giving blacks preferential treatment since the 80's.

 

[SavannahMann]

Before Republicans comment on such topics they need to catch up to reality.

Red states are economic basketcases for following failed conservative policies for the last 150 years.

Most of them are horribly polluted and dangerous to raise children in because of the nasty pollution.

Then there’s the lack of education.

In fact it’s so bad in so many red states that in the entire Appalachian area infant mortality rates are rising and life expectancy is falling.

Republican conservatism is not really a failed policy. It’s a disguised policy. The whole point of it is to fuk most Americans and everything they do is aimed at helping needy billionaires.

Your theory self destructs quickly though because Mexifornia is home to only 12% of the national population and 33% of the nations welfare filth. In case you didn’t know, Mexifornia is a blue state that operates solely on progressive ideals. Weird huh?

Really weird. Since California also pays the most in Federal Taxes, by a wide margin, and has the largest GDP, again by a wide margin.

Which States Pay The Most Federal Taxes?

What state pays the most in taxes? Whether you look at total federal taxes paid by state residents or tax revenue by state per capita, there are big differences in federal tax burdens by state. Here's how to minimize what you pay.

www.moneyrates.com

GDP by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[BrokeLoser]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

It doesn’t need to...GENERAL means general...Think GENERAL population.

 

[Mr Natural]

Do tell, you mean the Red states are like California?

They wish they were like California.

 

[rightwinger]

Nobody demands equality of outcome
Conservative propaganda

People want government to enforce a level playing field

Reparations is equality of outcome. Race quotas = equality of outcome.

I don’t support reparations but they are payment for past transgressions.
affirmative action levels the playing field

My white grandparents had to change their dago last name because of the real hassles they had to go through.

So I want me some reparations too.

Did they have to drink from separate drinking fountains?

Their families were verbally harassed and looked at like GD animals. Shit placed on their yards.

Bro. Don't give me that mother fucking water fountain shit. Many nationalities were treated like shit. They didn't whine for 150 GD years.

Again, we should have been picking our own GD cotton. Then we never would have dealt with this curse because today they would not exist.

There is a difference in being treated like shit by other people and being treated like shit by the Government

None of the people born today or even the last generation were alive then No slaves and no owners. I nor my Government owe blacks any thing except equality under the law.

I was alive during Jim Crow and saw officially sanctioned racism

So what that doesn't rate reparations. And if it does let the democrats pay it they instituted the policy and enforced it. We haven't had Jim Crow since 1970. that is 50 years. And we have made up for that with giving blacks preferential treatment since the 80's.

I never said it rated reparations, only that it was Government sanctioned racism.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Before Republicans comment on such topics they need to catch up to reality.

Red states are economic basketcases for following failed conservative policies for the last 150 years.

Most of them are horribly polluted and dangerous to raise children in because of the nasty pollution.

Then there’s the lack of education.

In fact it’s so bad in so many red states that in the entire Appalachian area infant mortality rates are rising and life expectancy is falling.

Republican conservatism is not really a failed policy. It’s a disguised policy. The whole point of it is to fuk most Americans and everything they do is aimed at helping needy billionaires.

Your theory self destructs quickly though because Mexifornia is home to only 12% of the national population and 33% of the nations welfare filth. In case you didn’t know, Mexifornia is a blue state that operates solely on progressive ideals. Weird huh?

Really weird. Since California also pays the most in Federal Taxes, by a wide margin, and has the largest GDP, again by a wide margin.

Which States Pay The Most Federal Taxes?

What state pays the most in taxes? Whether you look at total federal taxes paid by state residents or tax revenue by state per capita, there are big differences in federal tax burdens by state. Here's how to minimize what you pay.

www.moneyrates.com

GDP by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Yep...those rich, greedy capitalists you hate in Hollyweird and Silly Con Valley really dress up the spread sheets nicely for all the human cockroaches living in squalor don’t they?

 

[rightwinger]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

It doesn’t need to...GENERAL means general...Think GENERAL population.

I am
Helping the general population means help the country as a whole

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

It doesn’t need to...GENERAL means general...Think GENERAL population.

I am
Helping the general population means help the country as a whole

Wrong read the fucking founders on the Constitution. The ONLY power Congress has is that SPECIFICALLY listed in the Constitution.

 

[BrokeLoser]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

It doesn’t need to...GENERAL means general...Think GENERAL population.

I am
Helping the general population means help the country as a whole

Now you’re starting to get it.
All taxation monies spent (general welfare) by Father Government must benefit the nation in GENERAL....the GENERAL population. It’s the only thing that makes any sense to a sane mind.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

If the general welfare meant what you lefty pukes claimed then there would have been no need to list specific powers of congress in the document and the 10th amendment would be useless.

 

[Flash]

The "General Welfare" clause is not direction to turn the US into a Socialist Shithole.

General Welfare is direction to do what needs to be done.

The scope is determined by We the People

Negative
You keep forgetting that pesky word GENERAL is the key piece to the puzzle.

general means overall welfare.
Nothing says any legislation has to help everyone the same. Just help the country as a whole

It doesn’t need to...GENERAL means general...Think GENERAL population.

I am
Helping the general population means help the country as a whole

Wrong read the fucking founders on the Constitution. The ONLY power Congress has is that SPECIFICALLY listed in the Constitution.

Your wasting your time explaining the Constitution to these stupid uneducated Moon Bats.

They don't know any more about the Constitution than they know about History, Economics, Climate Science, Biology or Ethics.

 

[j-mac]

If you voted for Trump there’s a good chance you’re a lot like me with regard to why....I voted for him on two policies almost exclusively...First and foremost on how he would deal with illegal Mexicans and the border and second on how he would yank lowlifes off the Democrat induced welfare plantation.
Anyhoo, as we approach the point where welfare reform will be visited I ask for your opinions on EXACTLY what you think our founders meant when they used the phrase “GENERAL WELFARE” in the constitution?

Attention all Smartest Guys In The Room, and legal scholars:
Please spare us the case citations such as the U.S. vs Butler case and the like. I’m interested in YOUR opinions.

Easy. The General Welfare as used in the Constitution is applicable within the constraints of the enumerated powers laid out.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What happened to rightwinger?

 

[Thinker101]

Do tell, you mean the Red states are like California?

They wish they were like California.

Overrun with homeless crapping in the streets...quite the bar you're setting.

 

[rightwinger]

If the general welfare meant what you lefty pukes claimed then there would have been no need to list specific powers of congress in the document and the 10th amendment would be useless.

Doesn‘t work like that
Never has.

If you think the scope of Congress is limited by those specific powers and the 10th amendment......Why aren’t you suing to invalidate all these laws and public programs?

Because that argument will lose.....always does