What Constitutes a "Right?"

[Intense]

You can vote, you can contact your congress person, you can protest. You can even run for office yourself.

If you do not like the options legally available to you, you can move.

You make a choice to live in a community, which means you make a choice to agree to be bound by those laws. There are legal options available, use them. Or move.

Wrong, Our First obligation is to an authority higher than Government. No Government has Dominion over Your Conscience.

And should the laws of your community conflict with what you consider to be a higher obligation, you can participate to try to change things or leave.

You always have the choice to participate or leave.

You seem real big on instructing on what we can and can't do. Liberty is Making Your Own Choices, You are free to set your own Limits.

 

[Intense]

Reminding me of someone, is the cat a give away?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

[
Gubmint is our servant, not our master.

Playing "if you don't like it, get out" is the attitude of a master, not a servant.

Has your right to vote been taken? Can you not run for public office? Can you not contact your Congressman? Can you not organize to protest? Is someone barring the borders to keep you from leaving?

You make a choice to live under this system. If you don't like it, you have options. Understand, that by choosing to remain here you agree to continue to live by the laws of the land, among those taxation laws. If you don't like it, work to change it or leave.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Wrong, Our First obligation is to an authority higher than Government. No Government has Dominion over Your Conscience.

And should the laws of your community conflict with what you consider to be a higher obligation, you can participate to try to change things or leave.

You always have the choice to participate or leave.

You seem real big on instructing on what we can and can't do. Liberty is Making Your Own Choices, You are free to set your own Limits.

You have lots of options under the law of the land. Laws you agree to when you decide to live in a community.

 

[Intense]

[
Gubmint is our servant, not our master.

Playing "if you don't like it, get out" is the attitude of a master, not a servant.

Has your right to vote been taken? Can you not run for public office? Can you not contact your Congressman? Can you not organize to protest? Is someone barring the borders to keep you from leaving?

You make a choice to live under this system. If you don't like it, you have options. Understand, that by choosing to remain here you agree to continue to live by the laws of the land, among those taxation laws. If you don't like it, work to change it or leave.

One of those Options is to Advocate for Change, to Advocate For Justice, to Advocate for Truth, To advocate for Accountability, Transparency, Oversight.

 

[Oddball]

[
Gubmint is our servant, not our master.

Playing "if you don't like it, get out" is the attitude of a master, not a servant.

Has your right to vote been taken? Can you not run for public office? Can you not contact your Congressman? Can you not organize to protest? Is someone barring the borders to keep you from leaving?

You make a choice to live under this system. If you don't like it, you have options. Understand, that by choosing to remain here you agree to continue to live by the laws of the land, among those taxation laws. If you don't like it, work to change it or leave.

Typical paternalistic attitude: If you don't like the "choices" I've presented you with (thereby presenting a false premise with limiting the scope of said "choices" by fiat) you can get the hell out.

That's the attitude of a despot, not a servant.

 

[Intense]

And should the laws of your community conflict with what you consider to be a higher obligation, you can participate to try to change things or leave.

You always have the choice to participate or leave.

You seem real big on instructing on what we can and can't do. Liberty is Making Your Own Choices, You are free to set your own Limits.

You have lots of options under the law of the land. Laws you agree to when you decide to live in a community.

And?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Reminding me of someone, is the cat a give away?

I've used this avatar on other sites before. This is my first and only account here if you're implying otherwise.

 

[Intense]

[
Gubmint is our servant, not our master.

Playing "if you don't like it, get out" is the attitude of a master, not a servant.

Has your right to vote been taken? Can you not run for public office? Can you not contact your Congressman? Can you not organize to protest? Is someone barring the borders to keep you from leaving?

You make a choice to live under this system. If you don't like it, you have options. Understand, that by choosing to remain here you agree to continue to live by the laws of the land, among those taxation laws. If you don't like it, work to change it or leave.

Typical paternalistic attitude: If you don't like the "choices" I've presented you with (thereby presenting a false premise with limiting the scope of said "choices" by fiat) you can get the hell out.

That's the attitude of a despot, not a servant.

Is it Paternal or possibly Maternal?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

One of those Options is to Advocate for Change, to Advocate For Justice, to Advocate for Truth, To advocate for Accountability, Transparency, Oversight.

Absolutely. I wish more would.

 

[xotoxi]

ROFLMNAO...

Well I don't know of any legal statute... but there's two relevant points here... First, my ignorance of such doesn't mean that there's not... and your standing on such is a flagrant ad ignorantum farce... Secondly, it's hilarious that you want to assert that what is legal equates to what is true and right.

...I'LL STOP RIGHT THERE AND NOT READ ANY FURTHER...

WAIT A MINUTE, BUSTER!

You are calling me out for "asserting what is legal..." when you yourself stated:


YOU said that sexual intercourse is required to make a marriage legally complete.

I merely quoted Webster's Collegiate 2009... And this in repsonse to your query regarding marriage and sex as a requirement of such.



Yeah... and this based upon the principle of JOINING in Holy Matrimony... where two people join as one... for the purposes of procreation; family and the raising of children in the likeness of their progenitors... It's not a complex issue Sis...



False... but it does demonstrate the tedious nature of debating those who are incapable of comprehending sound principle. Debate is a function which serves to deduce what is true and right.



ROFLMNAO... Color me shocked...



And Potatos are on sale at Publix for 2.25 a bag; marked down from 2.99.



Well to be perfectly honest, I've noticed that you don't like to think at all. It seems to go against your very nature; so perhaps the effort is uncomfortable for you.

But Marriage is specifically, a license to JOIN... A license to engage in sexual intercourse for the purposes of procreation; where the progeny are nurtured and raised in a secure and stable household; where the JOINED progenitors are held accountable AS ONE, for their UNION and all that comes from it.

Marriage (from the perspective of the state) is a contractual joining of two individuals for legal purposes.

Yes... and those purposes noted above...

What's ironic here is that you've made it absolutely CRYSTAL clear that you oppose the principle of Marriage, except for the absolute LEAST notable functions of the license.

This thread is a clinic in the study of why Marriage as a concept has decayed to its present state; the reasoning which undermined it being paraded out in all it's debaucherous majesty...

The principles of Marriage are completely foreign to this individual... and here she is advocating for the JOINING OF TWO WHO CANNOT BE JOINED; two who cannot procreate... two who cannot nurture a family through the traits common to the respective genders...

To this Humanist Marriage is basically a short-form incorporation...

Now follow me here friends...

Recognize that as it is being presented... this member beleives that Marriage is nothing but a legal arrangement. She overtly rejects the fundamental aspects of marriage; the sanctity, the physical and metaphorical joining of two people to form one united entity...

To her, there is NO OTHER ASPECT OF MARRIAGE WHICH IS RELEVANT BUT A CIVIL LICENSE; Marriage is PURELY, wholly, solely, a legal recognition of the respective parties being legally bound and recognized by the state as one legal entity; so as to provide for the entitlement to the privileges enjoyed by such an institution.

Everyone up to speed?

Now where it has been noted, in thread after thread; on forum after forum... that such which is being described is readily available to anyone... having no standard regarding gender... as is the case in Marriage... that any two or more individuals can file application with the prerequisite fees and be united through Incorporation as one legal entity; to enjoy the benefits and privileges thereof in a matter of HOURS...

Such is rejected out of hand...

There's no sexual component, no gender component... its PURELY A LEGAL ARRANGEMENT...

EVERYTHING that has been erroneously projected as Marriage; and which they demand be recognized as the defining attributes of Marriage... RIGHT?

Except one teeny tiny little problem...

INCORPORATION DOES NOT PROVIDE THE CULTURAL VALIDITY OF MARRIAGE; AND IT DOES NOT BECAUSE INCORPORATION DOES NOT REST UPON THE SACRED PRINCIPLES UPON WHICH MARRIAGE RESTS; PRINCIPLES THAT THEY REJECT OUT OF HAND; PRINCIPLES WHICH THEY DEMAND BE STRIPPED FROM THE VERY CONCEPT OF MARRIAGE... AND PRINCIPLES, IN THE ABSENCE OF WHICH... THERE CAN BE NO POTENTIAL FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SUCH VALIDITY; AND AS DELUDED AS IT IS, IT IS SOLELY THAT VALIDITY WHICH THEY COVET.

Lets remind ourselves of their position... Let's take another peek at the sterile interpretation of Marriage which they want to project... and recall as we do, that this projection is an ILLUSION... it is a LIE; and it is designed to delude the culture into tearing down the last fragment of cultural viability...

Sexual intercourse (from the perspective of the state) is none of their business and will not be regulated or promoted by the Government.

As position which seeks to provide for the marriage of homo-SEXUALS ...

Now is everyone up to speed?

I'm sorry, SIS...but once you start confabulating. it is pointless, and actually impossible, to discuss anything with you.

Enjoy your incoherent babbling.

 

[Oddball]

Has your right to vote been taken? Can you not run for public office? Can you not contact your Congressman? Can you not organize to protest? Is someone barring the borders to keep you from leaving?

You make a choice to live under this system. If you don't like it, you have options. Understand, that by choosing to remain here you agree to continue to live by the laws of the land, among those taxation laws. If you don't like it, work to change it or leave.

Typical paternalistic attitude: If you don't like the "choices" I've presented you with (thereby presenting a false premise with limiting the scope of said "choices" by fiat) you can get the hell out.

That's the attitude of a despot, not a servant.

Is it Paternal or possibly Maternal?

Does "dictatorial" work for ya?

 

[Intense]

One of those Options is to Advocate for Change, to Advocate For Justice, to Advocate for Truth, To advocate for Accountability, Transparency, Oversight.

Absolutely. I wish more would.

They would do so more if they weren't told to pack up and leave every time something sensitive was revealed.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

One of those Options is to Advocate for Change, to Advocate For Justice, to Advocate for Truth, To advocate for Accountability, Transparency, Oversight.

Absolutely. I wish more would.

They would do so more if they weren't told to pack up and leave every time something sensitive was revealed.

Touche.

I may have come off as heavy handed, but I have limited tolerance for the attitude that taxation is nothing but theft. Even Christ, in Matthew 22:21 when asked about taxation replied: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Some folks think that living in freedom is somehow free. It is not. It requires sacrifice of body, blood, and wealth. I don't agree with every decision my community makes, and as such I work within the laws that bind us together to change it.

In the end that is the choice we all have when it comes to the community in which we live. Work within the law to change it, or leave it.

 

[Intense]

Absolutely. I wish more would.

They would do so more if they weren't told to pack up and leave every time something sensitive was revealed.

Touche.

I may have come off as heavy handed, but I have limited tolerance for the attitude that taxation is nothing but theft. Even Christ, in Matthew 22:21 when asked about taxation replied: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Some folks think that living in freedom is somehow free. It is not. It requires sacrifice of body, blood, and wealth. I don't agree with every decision my community makes, and as such I work within the laws that bind us together to change it.

In the end that is the choice we all have when it comes to the community in which we live. Work within the law to change it, or leave it.

Well Said. I would not advocate any other Vehicle for change. Within the Rule of Law, with the one Exception of Non Violent Civil Disobedience, when compelled to do so. John Locke was big on the concept. I think Thoreau had good reading comprehension, King and Gandhi Too.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

They would do so more if they weren't told to pack up and leave every time something sensitive was revealed.

Touche.

I may have come off as heavy handed, but I have limited tolerance for the attitude that taxation is nothing but theft. Even Christ, in Matthew 22:21 when asked about taxation replied: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Some folks think that living in freedom is somehow free. It is not. It requires sacrifice of body, blood, and wealth. I don't agree with every decision my community makes, and as such I work within the laws that bind us together to change it.

In the end that is the choice we all have when it comes to the community in which we live. Work within the law to change it, or leave it.

Well Said. I would not advocate any other Vehicle for change. Within the Rule of Law, with the one Exception of Non Violent Civil Disobedience, when compelled to do so. John Locke was big on the concept. I think Thoreau had good reading comprehension, King and Gandhi Too.

Ok, I can agree on that too. Non-violent dissobediance is always an option. Well said.

See, I'm not a completely unreasonable parent

 

[Intense]

Touche.

I may have come off as heavy handed, but I have limited tolerance for the attitude that taxation is nothing but theft. Even Christ, in Matthew 22:21 when asked about taxation replied: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Some folks think that living in freedom is somehow free. It is not. It requires sacrifice of body, blood, and wealth. I don't agree with every decision my community makes, and as such I work within the laws that bind us together to change it.

In the end that is the choice we all have when it comes to the community in which we live. Work within the law to change it, or leave it.

Well Said. I would not advocate any other Vehicle for change. Within the Rule of Law, with the one Exception of Non Violent Civil Disobedience, when compelled to do so. John Locke was big on the concept. I think Thoreau had good reading comprehension, King and Gandhi Too.

Ok, I can agree on that too. Non-violent dissobediance is always an option. Well said.

See, I'm not a completely unreasonable parent

Is Yes Dear Appropriate?

 

[Contumacious]

A "right" is something that you have naturally. You have a right to your life, your liberty, your property, and your personal pursuit of happiness.

OMG that definition is so 1787.

I Like the NEW Improved definition authorized by the Welfare Warfare State Constitution of 1935.

It defines a right as

1- A right to enslave Taxpayers and my neighbors to get what I want
2- A right to hellcare, provided at gun point, by taxpayers and my neighbors
3- the right to food stamps, provided at gun point, by taxpayers and my neighbors
4-the right to federal largesse, provided at gun point, by taxpayers and my neighbors


I Loves the Welfare State and my new Rights

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Is Yes Dear Appropriate?

Only my wife calls me Dear

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If you look at the fact that taxation must be collected by force, and is obviously not voluntary, then I think you have to come to the conclusion that taxation is nothing more than theft.

You have the right to leave and find your own country.

Taxes are the price you pay to live in the community around you and to have access to the services provided therein. You make a decision on where to buy your land, and by buying land inside a community, you agree to participate and support that community.

If you do not like your taxation rate, or the services provided, you may take the opportunity to participate in those decisions by voting, or by running for elected office yourself. If you think the system as is is faulty, you have a civic duty to work towards improving it. Or leave. Those are the choices you have, as do the rest of the community.

Actually I don't. I believe there's an expatriation tax.