What Constitutes a "Right?"

The Justification of that Purpose Establishes Right.
Then I have the right to kill you and take your woman if I need food and *****?

Or do I simply have a motivation? The 'justification' is simply my motivation and reasoning.
Consciously or Unconsciously, We have a motive that is Judged by an Authority higher than Any Government formed by Man

Evidence?
Natural Right is Personal And Exact.
Then enumerate the exact tights.

If its personal, are you arguing that i's subjective? That violates your concept of 'natural rights' being some ephemeral 'authority'
Locke, Jefferson, Madison, Thoreau, King All got it.

Wasn't Locke a dualist? Dualism was inhereited from the theistic tradition. 'Natural rights' (a euphemism for 'divine law') came with it- as I said some time ago.

Jefferson knew better than to truly accept such rhetoric and was quite critical of the Cartesian tradition your parrot.

Also, it doesn't matter what they believed. That doesn't make it true.
 
This might need severe critique but here goes:

First paragraph. I don't want to sound as if I'm simply contradicting but it will read like it I'm sure. Sometimes I come across that way and it's unfortunate because I can't quite get the tone right – my problem not yours.

When they apologize for their looming failure... it's rarely a good sign that sound reasoning is about to follow...

But it is adorable, isn't it? I love it when idiots try to reason... it's so CUTE.

Ability is different from a “right.” My ability to do things is constrained by – among other things, by my physicality (I can't bench press 300lbs) and the physical laws of the universe (eg I can't fly like a bird – but as JW might say, I can drink like a fish). Ability is both potential and actual. In action I fulfil potential (as limited by the aforesaid). In a solitary state the only limits to me are those I've mentioned and of course my will. I have no need of the concept of “rights” in that solitary state because I can act.

Again, the entire screed is predicated upon the classic confusion of RIGHTS and the protection of Rights...

That one freely exist in solitude is IRRELEVANT TO ONE'S RIGHT... That one lives in BONDAGE is IRRELEVANT TO ONE'S RIGHT... One rights are intrinsic in one's life... and those rights come with RESPONSBILITIES...

Your right to life comes with the responsibility to defend that life... thus where one lives in solitude... one being free to burn down the forrest, does nto give you a RIGHT to burn down the forrest, as the forrest is what sustains one's life. One doesn't have the right to spend their day killing sub-species absent a valid moral justiciation... and for the same reason; and so on.

All the 'solitude' argument represents is more fallacious distraction; specifically it's a lame reductio example which tries to promote the notion that 'rights are merely a form of defense... which do not come into play where one is not being contested... one doesn't NEED RIGHTS if one is ALONE, because there's no one stopping you from doing anything... '

Such species of reasoning completely set aside the intrinsic RESPONSIBILITIES of Rights; responsibilities, in the absence of which, RIGHTS simply... CANNOT EXIST!

Alone on a vast planet, or crammed into a smuthering urban hell... Human beings are endowed by their creator with unalienable rights... PERIOD. That those human beings reject that notion, concede their inherent responsibilities thus the human rights which rest upon those responsibilities... is irrelevant.

To your second paragraph. The denial of humanity, of human nature – and here I'm referring not to control of its base instincts but the actual essence of being human – is indeed totalitarian. The denial of human essence can be carried out by totalitarian government and is to be resisted, as you indicate. But the denial of human essence can be authored by other agencies. One of the early arguments against capitalism advanced by Marx was its tendency to alienate the worker from their humanity.


Irrational drivel... First, you adhere to the notion that denying 'human essence' is totalitarianism... you simply failed to define human essence. Thus the statement can mean anything to anyone that reads it.

Humanity's essense is it's divine origins...

Deny that and humanity is relegated to little more than a common beast; which serves the purpose of fulfilling its base instincts...

Summing up. Being human means having an ability to act as a human.

Well that's fascinating... because I had a puppy once that used to walk on her hind legs; clearly acting human... I watched a Chimp, which was dressed in a tuxedo, smoke a cigarette and using your calculation this 'acting human qualifies these sub-species as human. Which is fine for what it is... but they're not human. Thus disproving the notion...

Being a social being means acting within recognised limits. Being a human social being means having the ability to act as a human within recognised limits.

Golly... being human sound SO SPECIAL when you explain it like this... Rinsing all the high minded notions out of it.

The ability of the human social being to act and to be human and the limits of the ability to act, those which are not physical, are called rights.

ROFLMNAO... NOooooooouuuu... Now who could argue with that?

So training a horse to count to 6, bi-pedal Dogs and tuxedo wearing, smoking Chimps all represent the the purest essence of Human Rights, as long as they behave socially... which no doubt comes with exponential potential, considering that the standards of acceptable behavior is being reduced with every opening of Leftist Governing sessions around the world...


LOL... Sweet Mother that is some of the most deluded twaddle I've come across lately... and I've followed your work for quite a while now Diur.

Now be honest, did you consult with Chris on this one?
 
Golly... being human sound SO SPECIAL when you explain it like this... Rinsing all the high minded notions out of it.

and that's the basis of 'natural rights'- like god, it's all about feeling special
 
RIGHTS do not come from GOD.

Oh goody, another baseless assertion from the in-house "centrist" which just never seems to find ANYTHING about America that suits her.

Let's see how she holds up this time...

Doubt me, fellow christians?

Doubt you? You're an imbecile... what's there to doubt? You have never sustained a position in the entire time I've been on this site... the odds of this being the exception are infinitesimal...

Read your New Testament and this time, pay attention to the red script, folks.

Jesus tells us that this is not his father's kingdom, and that his father's kingdom is in heaven.

Wrong... ROFLMNAO... Don't ya just love the unreferenced scriptural quotes from Humanists? They are a gas... Stripped of context, isolated from their meaning, so that the idiots can conjur their own meaning. Understand what she's saying here friends...

The earth is not of God... thus God's rules don't apply... Thus Christian morality doesn't apply... thus no final accounting by the Father, for one's behavior here... .

Now the purpose for Christ's life was to spare the world what?

The purpose of Christ's life was to spare the individuals of the species the certainty of eternal damnation, through Christ's unspeakably cruel death... he came here to pay for our sins; he came her to pony up the pain which is required by the Father for those who failed to live up to his standards...

Thus the implication being projected is about as absurd as is possible... and stands as little more than abject ignorance as the basis of a conclusion, which is being advanced as sound reason.

Now at this point the argument is unhinged from it's reasoning... the premise, which is expressed as truth, is demonstrated as false; thus the following conclusion based upon that premise lacks its foundation rationale; thus stands as irrational.

Nice try Sis...

So God CANNOT give you RIGHTS as most of you seem to think of them...as something ALIENABLE .

Wrong... Human life is an endowment; a gift from the Father...

In order for a RIGHT to be inalienable, it would have to be something that NOBODY could take away from you.

Uh huh...

If you can be KILLED, then you do NOT have any INALIENABLE RIGHT to life.

Hey DUMBASS! You're confusing the Life with the Right...


Anybody here think they cannot be killed?

That someone's means to exercise their Right is usurped... does not remove their Right to exercise thar Right. This is a common misnomer which is often trotted out by the sub-intellects.


No...

Then seriously, you do not have any inalienable rights.

Yes...

When the Floundering Fathers coined the term, they meant that in a THEORETICAL sense, not in any meaningful way related to the real world we live in.

First... the Founding Fathers of the US did not coin the term... nor were they the one's that discovered the principles, as such had long been known since before Aquinas; turned into Law, as the basis of the Magna-Carta; set forth as the basis for a nation in the US Declaration of Independence and rests todays as the basis of Western Jurisprudence; and it was most decidedly literally advanced by the Founders of America and was taken as such by the King which it sought to shirk.

LOL... Is there anyone which would still care to stand up and defend this idiot as representative of something approaching an American?

They meant that's what they were shooting for, that that was their justification for taking control over their nation.

These men were some of the brightest men of human history, with a mastery of their own thoughts and the English language... It seems likely that where such as that which is being advanced were true; then those men would have stated such. Yet what they stated was that "WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT"...

They advanced such as TRUTH... and what's more TRUTH WHICH REQUIRES NO EXPLANATION BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN OBVIOUS TRUTH, THAT IT IS IT'S OWN EVIDENCE... THAT THE TRUTH EXISTS, THUS IT IS EVIDENCED BY ITS OWN EXISTANCE... it is as certain in it's existance as anyone who would observe or deny it.

Sweet fail Douschebag...
 
Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest the certainty that Human Rights are endowed by God and that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice, thus have no observable qualities common to a rightful entitlement.
 
Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest the certainty that Human Rights are endowed by God and that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice, thus have no observable qualities common to a rightful entitlement.

Let the record reflect that it has established, beyond a reasonable doubt , that That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that the palladium of all liberties is the right to bear arms.


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Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest the certainty that Human Rights are endowed by God and that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice, thus have no observable qualities common to a rightful entitlement.

Let the record reflect that it has established, beyond a reasonable doubt , that That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that the palladium of all liberties is the right to bear arms.


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I Prefer the Right To Conscience. :):):):):):):)
 
Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest the certainty that Human Rights are endowed by God and that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice, thus have no observable qualities common to a rightful entitlement.

Let the record reflect that it has established, beyond a reasonable doubt , that That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that the palladium of all liberties is the right to bear arms.


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Yes... All men are Created Equal... and that such creation stems from the endowment by the Creator, of the human life... intrinsic with the right to pursue the fulfillment of that right and the sacred duty to defend that life and the means to exercise those inherent rights.
 
In order to elevate the rebellion from a purely economic reaction to oppressive rule, which may have not ignited all members of the colonies but only those with economic interests to be furthered, the thinkers had to create a broader appeal.

You leave out another important aspect of the need for a higher authority. It's a very simple one. Why would you vigilantly uphold a contract if you could, with impunity, dishonor that contract and somehow profit from it? More specifically, our military officers (including the commander-in-chief) take an oath before their term of service begins. Upon what does that oath rest? Certainly it does not rest upon the trust between a vast mass of people and one man few of them have ever met or even seen in person. The oath rests on whatever God that officer prays to. The oath is taken on whatever faith the officer holds, and his or her fidelity to that faith is our only assurance that the oath will be upheld. Again, we must have faith that they don't have their fingers crossed behind their back. God (of whatever flavor) has been the keeper of our faith throughout the years, and has proven to be effective as long as people's belief remained strong. Of course, a few defectors in high places could easily take advantage of that belief, but I'll get back to that in a minute. Most monotheists believe that none of their ill deeds will escape His sight and so even when they are solitary and in reality absolutely free, they are expected to honor their commitments or be punished automatically and ruthlessly by an unseen, omnipresent observer. And so they often do honor their contracts.

Now back to the defectors. In most monarchies, the monarch rules by a divine right or a mandate from heaven or some other connection to a deity. The deity is still nominally above the ruler, but rather than being equal with the people in the eyes of the deity, the ruler was chosen by the deity to be His ambassador to the people, usually because of some innate quality that elevates the chosen above others. You can see how such a position might be exploited, since the deity doesn't often speak in the common language and so the people must look to the monarch for His mandate. If God creates all men equal, then such a problem (ideally) does not arise. You could say that-through 5 millennium of bloody revolt and "nasty, brutish and short" lives-God has told us that all men are created equal. I call it cultural evolution and I believe that it is part of human nature, but that's just me.
 
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Then the need to kill you in order to access your food stores to supply my people with food and the need to rape your woman to continue my society create the right to kill you and rape your woman



If it's a 'natural right', it can't be 'forfeited' because sonmeone else (you) says so- my right to life is intact no matter whom i kill

the collective can only revoke the right to lief if the collective granted it

you lack internal consistency

Hitler rose to power and committed crimes against humanity on the wings of claims similar to the ones you're making. So my comparison was actually apropos, however it may have been presented. It's not my last card, I could name any number of collectivist dictators responsible for horrible crimes who think and thought exactly the same nonsense that you are spewing. Slavery was the result of collectivist views like the ones your spouting. Is that something you want to be associated with? Why did slavery cease to exist? Because it was in opposition to the natural rights of all humans. Hitler failed for the same reason. And you have yet to have a chance to fail since you haven't succeeded at convincing one person of your view. I wouldn't expect you to know what I'm talking about though, since you aren't even aware of the glaringly obvious flaws in each and every statement you've made.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Of this I am sure.
Hitler piled on to the weakness that was Weimar, where they believed the same tripe about natural rights you do. In fact, Goering said that the Nazi project was to roll back the Enlightenment.
So you are preparing the way for Nazis, Mr Chamberlain Rubberdickhead.

Rabbi Hitler! You're back! I guess you have a busy schedule of killing innocent Jews, so I can't expect that you'll always be here to comfort me with your collectivist propaganda. You and JPuke are going to make a great troll team. Fascism is the ultimate collectivism (start at liberalism, take a left at Socialism, now pass communism on your right and your there). The state defines people's rights by fiat. Fascism. Heil Rabbi Hitler!

P.S. dictators will almost always sell their collectivism to the masses with propaganda about all sorts of "guarantees" and individual rights. Just like socialism is being sold to us now. This is why the founders encouraged Americans to be skeptical of the government and limited its powers with the Constitution. Hitler was no different than Lenin, Mao or Chavez. They're all demagogues who made promises that they couldn't keep so that they could grab unprecedented power. I guess we have yet to see if Chavez can keep his promises, but the fact that his government is swallowing up the private media leads me to believe that he is having his doubts about that himself.
 
In order to elevate the rebellion from a purely economic reaction to oppressive rule, which may have not ignited all members of the colonies but only those with economic interests to be furthered, the thinkers had to create a broader appeal.

You leave out another important aspect of the need for a higher authority. It's a very simple one. Why would you vigilantly uphold a contract if you could, with impunity, dishonor that contract and somehow profit from it? More specifically, our military officers (including the commander-in-chief) take an oath before their term of service begins. Upon what does that oath rest? Certainly it does not rest upon the trust between a vast mass of people and one man few of them have ever met or even seen in person. The oath rests on whatever God that officer prays to. The oath is taken on whatever faith the officer holds, and his or her fidelity to that faith is our only assurance that the oath will be upheld. Again, we must have faith that they don't have their fingers crossed behind their back. God (of whatever flavor) has been the keeper of our faith throughout the years, and has proven to be effective as long as people's belief remained strong. Of course, a few defectors in high places could easily take advantage of that belief, but I'll get back to that in a minute. Most monotheists believe that none of their ill deeds will escape His sight and so even when they are solitary and in reality absolutely free, they are expected to honor their commitments or be punished automatically and ruthlessly by an unseen, omnipresent observer. And so they often do honor their contracts.

Now back to the defectors. In most monarchies, the monarch rules by a divine right or a mandate from heaven or some other connection to a deity. The deity is still nominally above the ruler, but rather than being equal with the people in the eyes of the deity, the ruler was chosen by the deity to be His ambassador to the people, usually because of some innate quality that elevates the chosen above others. You can see how such a position might be exploited, since the deity doesn't often speak in the common language and so the people must look to the monarch for His mandate. If God creates all men equal, then such a problem (ideally) does not arise. You could say that-through 5 millennium of bloody revolt and "nasty, brutish and short" lives-God has told us that all men are created equal. I call it cultural evolution and I believe that it is part of human nature, but that's just me.

I take your point that some people need to think a creator is watching them to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow. But I wasn't arguing from a deterrent position, I was really thinking of it as a sort of encouragement.

But as I said, I take your point that having a God around makes the job of persuaders much easier. Ya can't take on omniscience, it gets you every time.

The cultural evolution idea is interesting. Are we moving to a social existence that allows complete expression of humanity without restriction?
 
Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest[....] that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice


I have quoted the parts of your statement which are accurate

The rest is unsubstantiated bullshit, like most of your posts
 
Let the record reflect that it has been soundly established, through this thread; that there is no effective means to contest the certainty that Human Rights are endowed by God and that such would-be rights decreed by "the State" are little more than temporal cultural privileges, which are subject to change without notice, thus have no observable qualities common to a rightful entitlement.

Let the record reflect that it has established, beyond a reasonable doubt , that That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that the palladium of all liberties is the right to bear arms.


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You want the record to show a lie? :cuckoo:
 
Isn't it wonderful how predictable the anti-theist are?

Post an argument which requires them to advance their well worn advocacy... and they run like the wind, on the pretense that it never happened...

CLASSIC!
 
Yes... All men are Created Equal... .


No, they're not. Some are born weak and frail or poor and destitute while others are born strong with all the resources they might desire.

Men are not 'created' or born equal, nor do they find themselves equal in in the course of the average man's life. Equality is not some vague metaphysical fantasy to which you can appeal to satisfy your conscience and avoid responsibility for your own life or convince yourself that those who are above you must be brought down to wallow in the mud alongside you while clinging to your beloved rhetoric of 'equality'. Yours is the delusion of the collectivist and the weak of mind.

Equality can only ever come to be the state of things through the dedicated efforts of Man.
 
In order to elevate the rebellion from a purely economic reaction to oppressive rule, which may have not ignited all members of the colonies but only those with economic interests to be furthered, the thinkers had to create a broader appeal.

You leave out another important aspect of the need for a higher authority. It's a very simple one. Why would you vigilantly uphold a contract if you could, with impunity, dishonor that contract and somehow profit from it?

Let the record show that RH is a liar who would break any contract were it not for fear of eternal fire
More specifically, our military officers (including the commander-in-chief) take an oath before their term of service begins. Upon what does that oath rest?

They who break it face this end

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While they who keep their contract are known as honest men and are rewarded thusly

Certainly it does not rest upon the trust between a vast mass of people and one man few of them have ever met or even seen in person. The oath rests on whatever God that officer prays to.

Which is why atheists are incapable of keeping an oath, right? :cuckoo:
 
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I take your point that some people need to think a creator is watching them to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow.
he Non-Morality of Theism


I find that Abrahamic- primarily Christian and neo christian- individuals oft tell far more than they realize. Take, for instance, a common argument used by many such theists to argue the 'goodness' of religion. This argument usually takes the form of 'how can one be good without god?', 'where do your morals come from?' or, perhaps most frighteningly, 'I cannot see people being good without god.'

What is so telling about these words? Well, basically, what these people are arguing is that they cannot imagine anyone being 'good' without god- more specifically, that they cannot see how anyone can be moral or upright without the fear of hell. Buddhists make a similar claim regarding Karma and reincarnation. Now, think about what they're saying here. They cannot see how anyone... including themselves... can be good... good being defined, as clear by the context as honest and not bringing harm... without fear of punishment.

Now, society has long recognized that some people will only be deterred from undesirable actions by the fear of punishment. This is why executions have historically been quite public and we in America make it well known that criminal behavior results in incarceration. However, most people will admit that such persons are a minority and that most people will try to be 'good' of their own accord, per their own conscience. Indeed, altruism is only natural, as it and the expectation of reciprocation have historically been good not only for the individual, but for humanity as a whole. For a more in-depth examination of these, do a Google search on the moral instinct.

These theists, however, make a different claim. Not only do they claim that such persons... persons who will only act in an acceptable matter if they fear a great enough punishment... are the majority, they claim that every single person is motivated to be good, honest, or altruistic purely out of fear pf punishment if they are caught doing something wrong. Every person. Including themselves. Not only this, but most common forms of punishment are not enough o keep them in line. Fear of incarceration of even execution is not enough to keep these people in line. Only fear of an eternity of indescribable suffering is enough to motivate them,.


These people admit, through their arguments, that they are either amoral or immoral. For those not familiar with these terms, amorality is the lack or a personal sense of morality. Immorality describes one who acts without regard to morality, where amorality implies a total lack of a moral guide in the first place. Either of these scenarios should be quite frightening when one realized that these non-moral individuals, who either lack altogether any moral guidelines or would not be limited by them anyway are the very people who seek to not only claim a moral high ground, but who would then seek to push their twisted views of their so-called morality... the mere law of an ancient culture, which is founded on no moral or ethical code, as we have just discussed, into the public arena to influence our own laws. They are also the ones who wish to see these views instilled in children.

This reality should be very unsettling to any thinking, rational person with a vested interest in their own well being or that of their children, their society, their nation, or humanity as a whole. Remember that the non-morality of Abrahamism has been seen in the past in the form of genocides, inquisitions, and witch burnings. This is not mere speculation or philosophy. The results of such twisted views have been seen time and again over the past six thousand years of theist influence. While we most oft encounter these arguments when dealing with Christians in the West, this same problem is seen manifest in all theistic religions that claim to take a sense of morality... indeed a misnomer, as they are unable to tell morality from mere law... from ancient texts and are willing to act I accordance to the alleged will of their delusions without regard to any sense of morality or ethics or any care for their fellow Man.

This is perhaps the biggest reason we must oppose theism and the thinking that oft accompanies it, if we are ever going to see the existence of a more just society.

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Notice the implication that anti-theists do not 'need' a Deity to behave morally...

Because we're more honest than you
Isn't it cute? Why they're vastly more intelligent that the theists..

http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/80198-iq-and-religiosity.html

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Now what purpose does morality serve Diur, where there is no life beyond our meager mortality?

You haven't been paying attention

http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/79574-the-moral-instinct.html
So biologically, we can survive only to the extent of our solar system and when that ends... we the human species... end with it.


1)wrong, dumbass

2)you fail to understand evolution

Now stop being a cowardly ***** and respond
 
Isn't it cool how the anti-theists are now absolutely OBSESSED by other issues?

Having completely lost interests in this discussion; since their perspective has been exposed as inane drivel?

Not a single atheist member, of sufficient intellectual means to be worthy of consideration, can muster the time to simply explain the purpose which morality might serve, in a single dimensional universe where this life is the full measure of life itself.

I expected that by now the thread would be flooded with mindless blather on the evolutionary imperative, or any of the innumerable screeds which are drawn from such IRRELEVANCE...

Clearly the absence of any attempt to respond is a fair sign that the Left is losing the battle and more importantly, they damn well know it.

ROFL... they don't even TRY to support their idiocy any more...
 
I take your point that some people need to think a creator is watching them to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow. ?

I write to emphasize that the term "Creator" as used by Thomas Jefferson did not have religious significance:

Mr. President

To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson


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