What are alternate facts?

[Foxfyre]

You are entitled not to trust them once they have been proven wrong. Not because the facts don't align with your beliefs.

Okay. Give me a list of those fact checking the fact checkers so I can better know what is right or wrong.

But as long as the fact checkers are taking things out of context and twisting them into things that were not said/intended/whatever, I will 'fact check' their 'facts' as dishonest and choose not to trust them.

While, we are at it, you are not entitled to tell me who I must trust.

 

[g5000]

Truth over Facts : “ Joe Biden”

^^^^^^^^^^^
Perfect example of alternate fact.

 

[berg80]

This only gets worse as our "press" continues to dissolve under the weight of the alternate universe.

Everyone walking around with -- and acting on -- their own personalized reality. What could go wrong?

It is impossible to design policy solutions to address the nation's problems unless congressmen can agree on the nature of the problem. Likewise, constructive debate fails from the start when trumples steadfastly contend 2+2=a bowl of walnuts.

 

[berg80]

Okay. Give me a list of those fact checking the fact checkers so I can better know what is right or wrong.

But as long as the fact checkers are taking things out of context and twisting them into things that were not said/intended/whatever, I will 'fact check' their 'facts' as dishonest and choose not to trust them.

While, we are at it, you are not entitled to tell me who I must trust.

If I may be so bold, perhaps a good starting place is to question things you hear from the Right and Left. And especially from trump. Assume it isn't factual until proven otherwise.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

This question drove the public nuts. Can you define alternative facts? Didn't it commence when the discussion of crowd size at the first Trump innaugeration took place? Suddenly we learned supposedly from the media, about alternative facts. To keep in mind we expect this to keep happening. It won't go away because the media won't go away. It will spin things till you think we are on Mars.

So watch this video and start thinking about alternative facts.

Alternative facts = not facts.

 

[Mac1958]

It is impossible to design policy solutions to address the nation's problems unless congressmen can agree on the nature of the problem. Likewise, constructive debate fails from the start when trumples steadfastly contend 2+2=a bowl of walnuts.

To me, this is cultural/sociological. The country is simply not interested enough, and not educated enough, to see and make the changes to our political "system" that need to be made. So we just keep empowering people who can use the "system" for their own gain.

 

[Failzero]

Alternative facts = not facts.

Like 23 Genders

 

[berg80]

To me, this is cultural/sociological. The country is simply not interested enough, and not educated enough, to see and make the changes to our political "system" that need to be made. So we just keep empowering people who can use the "system" for their own gain.

Apathy and ignorance are the killers of democracy.

 

[BackAgain]

The thing it, alternative facts is a poor choice of words.

It is a world view that is different from the propaganda fed to us by the media's false narrative.

I agree “alternative facts” is just terrible verbiage.

There can be competing scenarios. The one (if there is one) which is accurate and truthful is the one consisting of “facts.”

One can have a competing set of allegations.

 

[BackAgain]

Apathy and ignorance are the killers of democracy.

Now tell us what happens in a Constitutional republic, since that’s what we have.

 

[Foxfyre]

If I may be so bold, perhaps a good starting place is to question things you hear from the Right and Left. And especially from trump. Assume it isn't factual until proven otherwise.

But I should believe everything anybody on the left says? I choose not to believe or disbelieve what people think until there is some kind of verification. And I sure as hell don't use a biased fact checking site that just parrots what others say and/or uses edited video or audio as a credible source.

I suggest no thinking person does.

 

[Robert W]

Here's a great example. After this thread..........

IG finds Justice Department spied on Patel and other congressional staffer without telling courts

IG finds Justice Department spied on Patel and other congressional staffer without telling courts As a result of the probe, the department obtained phone records from two members of Congress and 43 staff members, including President-elect Donald Trump’s nominee for FBI Director, Kash Patel...

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........was created yesterday I immediately debunked the premise. The OP did not realize he had made a fool of himself. Subsequently, a number of trumples wrote batshyte crazy posts in defense of the premise or otherwise denying it was wrong. It would have been an OMG! moment if not for the fact that type of behavior goes on all the time. They turn demonstrable truth on its head in ways Orwell would be proud.

That is all over the news. And it is a harsh word about Wray who heads the FBI for him to do this to Patel who sued the Government over doing this to him.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/justice-department-spying-congress-patel-trump-ig-report/index.html

 

[Robert W]

Apathy and ignorance are the killers of democracy.

I laugh over the term democracy as used by Democrats. The letter indicts Wray who heads the FBI.

 

[Robert W]

But I should believe everything anybody on the left says? I choose not to believe or disbelieve what people think until there is some kind of verification. And I sure as hell don't use a biased fact checking site that just parrots what others say and/or uses edited video or audio as a credible source.

I suggest no thinking person does.

This is all over the news. Actually I read some of the articles and frankly it indicts Wray for what he did to people like Patel.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/justice-department-spying-congress-patel-trump-ig-report/index.html

 

[Robert W]

Alternative facts = not facts.

That can't be correct. Makes no sense of any sort.

If you are right, the media used alternative facts to talk about the crowd size on the mall when Trump took his first oath of office. The photos I posted prove his crowd size was astounding in how huge it was.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

That can't be correct. Makes no sense of any sort.

It is correct and it makes perfect sense to the sane.

If you are right, the media used alternative facts to talk about the crowd size on the mall when Trump took his first oath of office. The photos I posted prove his crowd size was astounding in how huge it was.

I don't care about that issue whatsoever.

 

[Robert W]

It is correct and it makes perfect sense to the sane.

I don't care about that issue whatsoever.

It is the beginning of calling them alternative facts. Actually you complimented yourself. Do you do that a lot?

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

It is the beginning of calling them alternative facts. Actually you complimented yourself. Do you do that a lot?

Alternative facts = not facts

 

[Foxfyre]

This is all over the news. Actually I read some of the articles and frankly it indicts Wray for what he did to people like Patel.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/10/politics/justice-department-spying-congress-patel-trump-ig-report/index.html

You do realize this happened under the Trump administration? This would have been Christopher Wray's FBI. I'm pretty sure Bill Barr or nobody in the West Wing was aware of it going on or I am pretty sure Trump would have stopped it. The FBI has been a rogue organization for some time as evidenced by the efforts of high ranking FBI personnel trying to scuttle Trump's 2016 run for President.

But since the IG recommended no charges it's probable no charges will be filed.

 

[Robert W]

You do realize this happened under the Trump administration? This would have been Christopher Wray's FBI. I'm pretty sure Bill Barr or nobody in the West Wing was aware of it going on or I am pretty sure Trump would have stopped it. The FBI has been a rogue organization for some time as evidenced by the efforts of high ranking FBI personnel trying to scuttle Trump's 2016 run for President.

But since the IG recommended no charges it's probable no charges will be filed.

Yes I do in fact. I have pointed it out in fact. Wray has been a leader of attacking Trump.