What About Jim Smith?

[AmericanFirst]

I get it. You're a doomsdayer. Since the government is helping to solve an issue facing our country today, you feel that now opens the door to some mythical situation that has no real basis in reality, but "it could" happen one day.

Tell me, under what scenario do you envision the purchasing of cars being mandated one day. I'd love to hear this scenario.

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

 

[Mr Natural]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

If it was truly a "socialist health care plan" we'd all have health insurance guaranteed and provided through our tax dollars.

Just like every other civilized country.

 

[RDD_1210]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

Which one are you confused about -

The definition of socialist?
or
How "Obamacare" is designed to operate?

perhaps both.

 

[AmericanFirst]

People aren't going bankrupt by the hundreds of thousands because they can't afford a car. So like I said...not even remotely comparable.

Are you purposely missing the bigger issue? The constitution is the supreme law of the land which is the measuring stick for all other federal law. Does the constitution provide for mandating that people purchase a product or face a fine if they don't for any reason including people going bankrupt? I don't think so. If you can defend your position, prove it.

Me missing the bigger issue? So when I prove that your point is ridiculous, your response is to fall back to the tired old "it's unconstitutional" argument.

Shame. I thought you were trying to discuss the issue and what is actually happening in our country. Nope, you're just like the rest of the crackpots who don't have a real argument so instead the cry about some sort of freedom that is being taken away.

Let me know when you're ready to have an adult discussion about the real issues and not made up issues that don't have any basis in todays reality.

You didn't prove squat. Liberals hate proof, it usually shows them to be liars.

 

[EriktheRed]

I get it. You're a doomsdayer. Since the government is helping to solve an issue facing our country today, you feel that now opens the door to some mythical situation that has no real basis in reality, but "it could" happen one day.

Tell me, under what scenario do you envision the purchasing of cars being mandated one day. I'd love to hear this scenario.

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

Any policy that's leans even a microscopic bit to the left leads to the Khmer Rouge in this country. Just ask Mr. Nick, he'll tell ya.

 

[kwc57]

I get it. You're a doomsdayer. Since the government is helping to solve an issue facing our country today, you feel that now opens the door to some mythical situation that has no real basis in reality, but "it could" happen one day.

Tell me, under what scenario do you envision the purchasing of cars being mandated one day. I'd love to hear this scenario.

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

 

[AmericanFirst]

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

Which one are you confused about -

The definition of socialist?
or
How "Obamacare" is designed to operate?

perhaps both.

I am not confused, obamaturd is a socialist and obamacare is unconstitutional and will be a failure.

 

[Dr.House]

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

If it was truly a "socialist health care plan" we'd all have health insurance guaranteed and provided through our tax dollars.

Just like every other civilized country.

If you need cancer treatment, which of those civilized countries are you going to pick to care for you?

I mean, they're all doing it right, so where ya gonna go?

 

[EriktheRed]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

Are those goalposts heavy?

 

[Dr.House]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

Any policy that's leans even a microscopic bit to the left leads to the Khmer Rouge in this country. Just ask Mr. Nick, he'll tell ya.

Nice straw man...

 

[RDD_1210]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

For the record, I understand why the mandate is in place for health insurance. Do I blindly now support mandates for anything and everything? Of course not, but I have a nasty habit of evaluating things on their own merit and using my brain to do a bit of critical thinking and making decisions on a case by case basis.

So, when are you going to break it down for me? You said you would if I asked. I'm still waiting but strangely enough you are avoiding coming through on your promise.

 

[Dr.House]

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

Are those goalposts heavy?

It's a simple question pertinent to the discussion...

 

[RDD_1210]

I can see obamaturd mandating Americans buy nothing but green cars. If he could get away with it he would. He pushed a socialist health care plan through, it is not unheard of.

Which one are you confused about -

The definition of socialist?
or
How "Obamacare" is designed to operate?

perhaps both.

I am not confused, obamaturd is a socialist and obamacare is unconstitutional and will be a failure.

LOL, this is fun. So which part of Obamacare makes it socialist?

 

[EriktheRed]

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

Are those goalposts heavy?

It's a simple question pertinent to the discussion...

No, it's really not. But you knew that, I'm guessing.

 

[Dr.House]

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

For the record, I understand why the mandate is in place for health insurance. Do I blindly now support mandates for anything and everything? Of course not, but I have a nasty habit of evaluating things on their own merit and using my brain to do a bit of critical thinking and making decisions on a case by case basis.

The problem is when the legal types waltz in and start thowing out terms like "precedence" and "stare decisis"...

How about we just don't start mandating people buy something they don't want to buy if they feel they don't need it?

 

[Dr.House]

Are those goalposts heavy?

It's a simple question pertinent to the discussion...

No, it's really not. But you knew that, I'm guessing.

It is a simple question in context of the discussion, but I understaind why you're afraid to answer it...

 

[EriktheRed]

If you don't understand, just say so and I'll try to explain it in simpler terms.

I don't understand. Please explain to me in simpler terms why you are against solving a problem facing the country today based upon the fear of an absurd problem that will never actually happen one day down the road. Go ahead and break it down for me.

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

Depends on the good/service. Auto insurance mandates are ok, for example.


Now what about this car question you keep dodging?

 

[EriktheRed]

So for the record, you are totally down with the government mandating the purchase of products or services under threat of penalty if you don't whether you desire or need them?

For the record, I understand why the mandate is in place for health insurance. Do I blindly now support mandates for anything and everything? Of course not, but I have a nasty habit of evaluating things on their own merit and using my brain to do a bit of critical thinking and making decisions on a case by case basis.

The problem is when the legal types waltz in and start thowing out terms like "precedence" and "stare decisis"...

How about we just don't start mandating people buy something they don't want to buy if they feel they don't need it?

In the case of insurance mandates that argument has been made many times before.

 

[Foxfyre]

The failure of the left and right to communicate with each other seems to be a chronic social problem.

On the left you have the people who see NO alternative to the government providing stuff. They look at other countries, most with far more homogenous populations and far fewer people than we have, that are providing socialized medicine and think that is the way it is done. That approach comes with blinders that allows them to ignore or blow off the reported problems within those systems.

And, to favor big brother government and socialized medicine over American exceptionalism and a concept of people governing themselves requires either a deplorable lack of historical context and/or huge blinders in a long tunnel.

On the right you have the people who do understand American exceptionalism and who do understand the concept of a people governing themselves, a concept no other nation in the world allows. But these same people have allowed creeping erosion of those concepts to the point that we are on the verge of losing them and a fix will be difficult, expensive, and painful.

It's sort of like ignoring the speck of rot in the wall or eaves. Fix it right away, no big deal but because it isn't a big deal, it is ignored. Let it go until is HAS to be fixed, and you have a major repair job on your hands that you may or may not have the gumption or knowhow to tackle.

And because each side sees the fix as going in much different directions, they can't seem to discuss how to get it accomplished.

 

[George Costanza]

Maybe Jim Smith should have given up his cigarettes and/or beer and put that money towards health insurance. Pulling at heart strings still does not make it right for the gov't. to make it mandatory to have healthcare. Scenario. The gov't. tells me I have to buy health insurance or get fined. I can not afford the health insurance, what makes the idiots think I can afford the fine? Socialists are wrong!!!

And they say that Republicans are mean spirited. WHEREVER did that idea come from?