West's Communist Party claim about Democrats

[Uncensored2008]

Prove that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. So far, you have completely failed to do so, except in one case where the accusation was first made by someone else and the case was already done with.

Prove that anyone was ACCUSED by McCarthy, **********.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Prove that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. So far, you have completely failed to do so, except in one case where the accusation was first made by someone else and the case was already done with.

Prove that anyone was ACCUSED by McCarthy, **********.

Sometimes you just have to say: "what the ****" and leave it at that..

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[Dragon]

The Venona cables are published ont he internet. I even provided the link to them for you.

Whether anyone mentioned in the cables was actually involved in Soviet espionage remains a subject of dispute. The mere fact that someone's name came up in them proves nothing. Again, you have completely failed to demonstrate that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. What you would need is not a nebulous mention in cables of uncertain intent, but actual documentation of espionage activity.

That someone's name is mentioned in the Venona cables does not prove he or she was a Communist, either -- not that there would be anything wrong with that.

 

[bripat9643]

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate that, and you are, so far, failing miserably to do so.

I have posted numerous sites indicating the people mentioned were dicussed in the Venona cables or in FBI files.

Someone expressing an opinion that an alleged formerly-classified source discusses someone in an unspecified way is evidence of nothing, especially considering the climate of deceit, misdirection, and outright lies that has always surrounded anti-Communist hysteria from the very beginning.

Actual sources, actual data, or you've proven nothing.

Remember the names Mary Jane Keeney and Philip Keeney? They were on the list I initially gave you of McCarthy's so-called "victims." You can find their names here:

List of Americans in the Venona papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which is a list of all the Americans listed in the Venona cables. Harry Hopkins, One of FDR's closest advisers, is also on the list. Alger Hiss is on the list. Robert Oppenhiemer is on the list.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Sometimes you have to leave it as "what the ****."

 

[Mr.Nick]

Sometimes people only learn when they get zapped...

They'll always sing a different tune when they get the short end of the stick...

 

[Dragon]

Sometimes people only learn when they get zapped...

They'll always sing a different tune when they get the short end of the stick...

And then there are people like yourself who are incapable of learning under any circumstances.

 

[Uncensored2008]

And then there are people like yourself who are incapable of learning under any circumstances.

Then there are cowards like you, who tell the same lies, regardless of what they learn.

You're right to hide from me, I'll tear you to shreds in any honest debate, and you know it.

 

[Dragon]

Remember the names Mary Jane Keeney and Philip Keeney? They were on the list I initially gave you of McCarthy's so-called "victims." You can find their names here:

List of Americans in the Venona papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Being mentioned in the Venona papers is not evidence of having been a Soviet agent.

Next?

 

[bripat9643]

The Venona cables are published ont he internet. I even provided the link to them for you.

Whether anyone mentioned in the cables was actually involved in Soviet espionage remains a subject of dispute. The mere fact that someone's name came up in them proves nothing. Again, you have completely failed to demonstrate that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. What you would need is not a nebulous mention in cables of uncertain intent, but actual documentation of espionage activity.

That someone's name is mentioned in the Venona cables does not prove he or she was a Communist, either -- not that there would be anything wrong with that.

You are truly ******* delusional. Yeah, people have secret communications with the KGB because they are totally innocent.

"Denial" is not a river in Egypt.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Being mentioned in the Venona papers is not evidence of having been a Soviet agent.

Next?

Yes, it sure is, stupid.

Either learn what the Venona intercepts are, or quit lying; whichever is applicable.

 

[Dragon]

The Venona cables "mentioning" someone does not mean the person had secret communications with the Kremlin. It means only that the person's name came up in those secret communications. I rather strongly suspect that President Eisenhower's name came up a time or two as well. Do you assert that he was a spy?

 

[bripat9643]

Remember the names Mary Jane Keeney and Philip Keeney? They were on the list I initially gave you of McCarthy's so-called "victims." You can find their names here:

List of Americans in the Venona papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Being mentioned in the Venona papers is not evidence of having been a Soviet agent.

Next?

I'm waiting for you to produce the explanation of why a communication between an American citizen and the KGB would be totally innocent.

I'm waiting to laugh my ass off, that is.

 

[Dragon]

Remember the names Mary Jane Keeney and Philip Keeney? They were on the list I initially gave you of McCarthy's so-called "victims." You can find their names here:

List of Americans in the Venona papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Being mentioned in the Venona papers is not evidence of having been a Soviet agent.

Next?

I'm waiting for you to produce the explanation of why a communication between an American citizen and the KGB would be totally innocent.

We have no evidence that such communication took place, merely because someone's name was mentioned in the Venona cables.

In fact, the story you linked (which was Wikipedia, by the way, although I'll let that stand for the moment) pointed out that the mention of someone's name on the cables is not proof of espionage.

I would also point out that while this material was declassified only in 1995, it was available to the government in the 1950s, and was actually used in the prosecution of certain real Soviet agents. If the people who's names appear in these conversations were actually Soviet agents, and if this information proves that, why were they not prosecuted?

 

[bripat9643]

Being mentioned in the Venona papers is not evidence of having been a Soviet agent.

Next?

I'm waiting for you to produce the explanation of why a communication between an American citizen and the KGB would be totally innocent.

We have no evidence that such communication took place, merely because someone's name was mentioned in the Venona cables.

In fact, the story you linked (which was Wikipedia, by the way, although I'll let that stand for the moment) pointed out that the mention of someone's name on the cables is not proof of espionage.

ROFL! Yeah, and holding a bloody knife when the police show up isn't proof that you killed the dead woman lying on the floor.

Why would the Soviets name someone as an agent if that person wasn't an agent?

[I would also point out that while this material was declassified only in 1995, it was available to the government in the 1950s, and was actually used in the prosecution of certain real Soviet agents. If the people who's names appear in these conversations were actually Soviet agents, and if this information proves that, why were they not prosecuted?

The FBI did not want the Soviets to know that their communications were being intercepted and their codes had been cracked. Procecuting everyone mentioned in the cables would have instantly alerted the Soviets that their communications were not secure. Rather than prosecute them, the government simply moved them to jobs that were not sensative.

 

[Dragon]

I'll answer the only real cognitive point you raised, and ignore the hysterical babbling this time.

The FBI did not want the Soviets to know that their communications were being intercepted and their codes had been cracked.

Then why was ANYONE prosecuted using this project? Seems to me it was instrumental in the conviction of the Rosenbergs.

In any case, you're leaving us with a black hole of nothing: something that you say proves what it does not, and whose deficiencies you excuse. The fact remains that you have not demonstrated anyone accused by McCarthy of being a Soviet agent.

I would also point out once more that being a Soviet agent and being a Communist are not the same thing; the first was a crime, the second an activity protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. The number of actual Communists in the United States, that said, was grossly exaggerated not only by McCarthy but also by you, and it is clear from conversation that your real target (and his as well) is not Communism but liberalism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

lol allen west...and you ***** think he is right......

We haven't been discussing West. You scumbags decided to attack West by rehashing McCarthy - to which those of us honest and intelligent had to point out, was right.

The Kremlin archives and Venona put that to bed, save in the alleged minds of a few drugged out old Marxists.

West was incendiary in his remarks, which I don't think helps his case. What he said is technically true, but the implications are misleading.

We have a cadre of socialists who seek to fundamentally alter the structure and nature of the federal government. Well hello, Obama anyone? Does this mean we will have Russian troops marching in? Nope, and that makes West's remarks less credible, because he harks images of Soviet invasion, which will not happen.

On the other hand, West is right that there is an organized movement in our government that seeks to change the economic and social structures of the nation into those more closely resembling China or Cuba.

 

[kaz]

Why would the Soviets name someone as an agent if that person wasn't an agent?

I agree with your question, but on the other hand why would you think that people who want a Communist in the White House would be upset if other Communists were in government?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The victims have been pointed, time and time again, yet the nuts still deny it. Can't help themselves. They are nutters.

Victims are innocent. All the people that have been mentioned are guilty. They were communists or Soviet agents.

Prove that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. So far, you have completely failed to do so, except in one case where the accusation was first made by someone else and the case was already done with.

We'll do this slowly:

Owen Lattimore

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Venona cables are published ont he internet. I even provided the link to them for you.

Whether anyone mentioned in the cables was actually involved in Soviet espionage remains a subject of dispute. The mere fact that someone's name came up in them proves nothing. Again, you have completely failed to demonstrate that anyone accused by McCarthy was a Soviet agent. What you would need is not a nebulous mention in cables of uncertain intent, but actual documentation of espionage activity.

That someone's name is mentioned in the Venona cables does not prove he or she was a Communist, either -- not that there would be anything wrong with that.

In dispute?

In dispute?

You're insane, Komrade