West should build bridges with Russia after end of Ukrainian conflict

[hadit]

I suspect Western sanctions will remain in effect for some time.
(Unless Republicans take control)

Well, they would take a look at them to be sure they're doing what they're supposed to do and are not hurting the US. You know, instead of blindly keeping them on because reasons and feelz.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

It's hilarious to speak about "international law bodies and leading jurists" after Clinton's unprovoked aggression against Serbia back in 1999.

How Many Dim Bulbs Does It Take to Make It Albright?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I don't think The Sage of Main Street is playing with a full deck, mentally or emotionally, so I am putting him on Ignore. Discussing this matter is too important to run around in la la land with him or her. Suggest others consider that option.

Which Disney Cartoon Did You Get That From?

 

[rightwinger]

Well, they would take a look at them to be sure they're doing what they're supposed to do and are not hurting the US. You know, instead of blindly keeping them on because reasons and feelz.

No question Republicans would remove sanctions on Putin
And stop supporting Ukraine

 

[hadit]

No question Republicans would remove sanctions on Putin
And stop supporting Ukraine

Nah, they wouldn't do what Tater did the first day in office and blindly (and stupidly) undo everything the last guy did.

 

[rightwinger]

Nah, they wouldn't do what Tater did the first day in office and blindly (and stupidly) undo everything the last guy did.

What do you think Trump did with Obama?

 

[AZrailwhale]

Five millions of liberated Russians and land bridge to Crimea.


Yes.


For most of them - definitely yes.


And he already eliminated significant amount of NATO military equipment and increased the Russian Army.


Sure, not. Actually, he put it in the center of the world's policy.


No. Russian economy is quite good.


Both sides keep their best cards close to chest. It just a foreplay.

He's destroyed almost no NATO equipment, at best less than ten obsolete towed howitzers and one truck mounted MLRS system. The ammo given to Ukraine was nearing its expiration dates anyway and would have had to be discarded. To accomplish that he had destroyed over two thousand of his most modern operational tanks and is drawing on tanks first deployed in the fifties now. He had burned out his artillery barrels and expended his entire stockpile of artillery shells and is now buying back stocks he sold to North Korea and other Russian client states at a loss. Russia can't give away any of its military weapons anymore. It used to have the excuse that the destroyed guns and tanks were monkey models built for export without the specialized Russian equipment that supposedly made the Russian Army world class. This war has exposed the Russian military as the third world joke it always has been.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Powerful or not, but situation for Russia right now is much better than it was back in 1942.
If the choice is between peace and war - peace is much more safe. But if the only choice you have is between attacking first and waiting for enemie's attack - attack first is much safer. And no, 85% of the world are not taking part in that "retribution". Hell, even some NATO members support him.
Ukraine is "Russia without Putin". It's the best confirmation that it is much better with Putin than without him.

In 1942 Russia had the two most powerful industrial giants of the world as allies GIVING Russia supplies, tanks, aircraft, food, shoes, uniforms and everything else needed to fight a war for free. Now they are on the opposite side and furnishing Ukraine with all that stuff. Russia is far weaker now than then. At least then it was able to build a nearly world-class tank with mostly supplies (except steel and aluminum) from Russian sources. Today it can't. All the electronic components have to come from countries that Russia has made its enemies by invading Ukraine.

 

[hadit]

What do you think Trump did with Obama?

Replaced him as President. Beyond that, he didn't spend the first 3 days of his administration publicly and with great fanfare deliberately undoing everything The Fragile One did, good bad or indifferent.

 

[rightwinger]

Replaced him as President. Beyond that, he didn't spend the first 3 days of his administration publicly and with great fanfare deliberately undoing everything The Fragile One did, good bad or indifferent.

Actually, Trump tried to undo everything Obama accomplished

He tried to repeal Obamacare
He cancelled the Trans Pacific Partnership
He withdrew from the Paris Climate Accords
He cancelled the Iran Nuclear Pact
He broke relations with Cuba

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, Trump tried to undo everything Obama accomplished

He tried to repeal Obamacare
He cancelled the Trans Pacific Partnership
He withdrew from the Paris Climate Accords
He cancelled the Iran Nuclear Pact
He broke relations with Cuba

Of the five things you list, only the first and last can be debated as being bad for America. The middle three are hands down against American interests. The TPP like most treaties the State Department has negotiated since WWII was designed to benefit our trading partners, NOT us. The Paris Climate Accords exempt both India and China from the draconian regulations because they are "developing" countries despite the fact that the two produce most of the carbon emissions in the world and are actually increasing their emissions every day. The Iran Nuclear Pact did nothing to stop Iran from developing nukes. At best it delayed Iran slightly, allowing Iran to stockpile fissile materials and even to continue to enrich them. During the time the Pact was negotiated and to this day, Iran is openly at war with the West and especially the USA.

 

[BothWings]

Some of us have interest in munitions manufacturing ... are we just supposed to stop waxing our LearJets or something ... War puts people to work ... War puts food in people bellies ... War puts milk in baby bottles ...

That's the knock on the Slavs ... they're all murderous ... so, best they murder each other ... they need to solve their own problems, it's been a thousand years, you'd think they'd have made some progress ...

Yeah....let's just forget ALL ABOUT
the Templars and corrupt Masonic orders and the murderous and yet highly profitable Crusades orchestrated by the West back when 85% of Slavs were just farmers and craftsmen.

 

[ReinyDays]

Yeah....let's just forget ALL ABOUT
the Templars and corrupt Masonic orders and the murderous and yet highly profitable Crusades orchestrated by the West back when 85% of Slavs were just farmers and craftsmen.

Who? ...

 

[hadit]

Actually, Trump tried to undo everything Obama accomplished

He tried to repeal Obamacare
He cancelled the Trans Pacific Partnership
He withdrew from the Paris Climate Accords
He cancelled the Iran Nuclear Pact
He broke relations with Cuba

Not like Tater did, gleefully issuing EO after EO to counter everything, and I mean everything he could, that TRUMP! had done, all in the first few days.

 

[rightwinger]

Not like Tater did, gleefully issuing EO after EO to counter everything, and I mean everything he could, that TRUMP! had done, all in the first few days.

Trump did REAL damage to US policy at home and abroad

 

[marvin martian]

Not like Tater did, gleefully issuing EO after EO to counter everything, and I mean everything he could, that TRUMP! had done, all in the first few days.

It was terrifying watching him do that, confusedly looking around and saying "I don't know what I'm signing".

 

[hadit]

Trump did REAL damage to US policy at home and abroad

Tater blindly cancelled everything he could get his hands on, whether it was good, bad or indifferent. He wasn't very smart, just going on feelz. But, that's Tater for you.

 

[Silver Cat]

That makes as much (or little) sense as saying that Mexico has the right to invade the USA if it treats AMERICAN CITIZENS of Mexican descent in California, Arizona, Texas and New Mexico badly because they were once p[art of Mexico. The DPR and LPR are part of Ukraine like the border states are part of the USA.

Yes, of course. First of the legal possibilities is that they can cancel previous peace treaty with the USA and declare that they are going to return their borders of 1821 year.
Same way we can say that Kosovo is a part of Serbia, or Taiwan is a part of China (or, visé versa, consider one or both of them as independent states).
Second way - they can recognize, say, independence of Texas and sign a treaty about mutual defense with it.
Third, and most simple way - they can proclaim a Crusade for "decolonization of America", with the mottos "America for [Native or Spanish-speaking] Americans", " Luggage. Airport. Europe (Africa, Asia) for all descendants of the colonisateurs"
But all those legal issues are irrelevant. The only question matters is simple - "Will the USA use all possible means, including, if necessary nuclear weapons, to eliminate Mexican treat (backed by the whole Shanghai Block and Bolivarian Union) or not?" If latter - the USA won't survive.

 

[Silver Cat]

In 1942 Russia had the two most powerful industrial giants of the world as allies GIVING Russia supplies, tanks, aircraft, food, shoes, uniforms and everything else needed to fight a war for free. Now they are on the opposite side and furnishing Ukraine with all that stuff. Russia is far weaker now than then. At least then it was able to build a nearly world-class tank with mostly supplies (except steel and aluminum) from Russian sources. Today it can't. All the electronic components have to come from countries that Russia has made its enemies by invading Ukraine.

How many brand new main battle tanks produced the USA and EU during 2022? How many of them were produced by Russia, China and India? The USA and EU are "post-industrial" countries, that's the problem.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Who? ...

Yeah....let's just forget ALL ABOUT
the Templars and corrupt Masonic orders and the murderous and yet highly profitable Crusades orchestrated by the West back when 85% of Slavs were just farmers and craftsmen.

The 'western crusaders' were all awful theme. OK.