Were Ashli Babbit's civil rights violated?

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Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act​

  • False arrest
  • Malicious prosecution
  • Excessive use of force
  • Unreasonable use of force
  • False arrest
  • Sexual assault by a police officer

No Use of Verbal Commands​

There are many different examples of excessive use of force. In some instances, police officers will not use any verbal commands on a suspect. Police officers should start with using verbal commands before they resort to using physical force against a suspect. When officers forget or purposely choose not to use verbal communication with a suspect but instead choose to become physical, the victim may have a valid claim of police brutality. Suppose a police officer does not yell at a suspect to put down a weapon before shooting the suspect. In that case, the victim may have a valid case against the police officer for excessive use of force.

Excessive Use of Force​

Unfortunately, excessive use of force claims against police officers are far too common in Philadelphia. Excessive use of force claims garner publicity because they are often outrageous or involve serious injuries or death. These types of claims often involved sexual assault by a police officer, police brutality, or unjustified police shooting against a suspect. Whether the amount of force an officer uses is reasonable depends on the case’s facts and circumstances.

Courts will not look to the police officer’s motivations or intentions. They will focus on whether the police officer used a reasonable amount of force. Even if an officer had good intentions but used unjustifiable and unreasonable force against the victim, the victim can win a case against that police officer.


Comment:
Were Ashli Babbit's civil rights being violated?
The Capital Police did an internal investigation and then cleared themselves.
This is unreasonable.
Can Biden's DOJ be trusted to do an unbiased investigation?
There should be an independent investigation because there are a lot of unanswered questions.
 
I've argued for years that we need to stop allowing the police to investigate themselves. Those arguments were largely dismissed. For those who did that, maybe it's time to reconsider many of your other positions.
 
I've argued for years that we need to stop allowing the police to investigate themselves. Those arguments were largely dismissed. For those who did that, maybe it's time to reconsider many of your other positions.
I get what you are saying but can you imagine the political storm if internal affairs were handled outside the agency. It's bad enough as it is.....You could pave roads with the bones of peeps tossed under the bus.
 
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The elites have proven they can murder anyone they want without repercussions.

Ashli Babbitt & Hulyna Hutchins are just two examples...

*****SMILE*****



:)
 

Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act​

  • False arrest
  • Malicious prosecution
  • Excessive use of force
  • Unreasonable use of force
  • False arrest
  • Sexual assault by a police officer

No Use of Verbal Commands​

There are many different examples of excessive use of force. In some instances, police officers will not use any verbal commands on a suspect. Police officers should start with using verbal commands before they resort to using physical force against a suspect. When officers forget or purposely choose not to use verbal communication with a suspect but instead choose to become physical, the victim may have a valid claim of police brutality. Suppose a police officer does not yell at a suspect to put down a weapon before shooting the suspect. In that case, the victim may have a valid case against the police officer for excessive use of force.

Excessive Use of Force​

Unfortunately, excessive use of force claims against police officers are far too common in Philadelphia. Excessive use of force claims garner publicity because they are often outrageous or involve serious injuries or death. These types of claims often involved sexual assault by a police officer, police brutality, or unjustified police shooting against a suspect. Whether the amount of force an officer uses is reasonable depends on the case’s facts and circumstances.

Courts will not look to the police officer’s motivations or intentions. They will focus on whether the police officer used a reasonable amount of force. Even if an officer had good intentions but used unjustifiable and unreasonable force against the victim, the victim can win a case against that police officer.


Comment:
Were Ashli Babbit's civil rights being violated?
The Capital Police did an internal investigation and then cleared themselves.
This is unreasonable.
Can Biden's DOJ be trusted to do an unbiased investigation?
There should be an independent investigation because there are a lot of unanswered questions.
How would you and 5 or 6 law enforcement officers, without the use of weapons, prevent an unruly, armed mob from breaking a door down to attack lawmakers when they were told to disappear.
Civil rights, you say? How about the right of police to do their job?
 
The extreme political ends of both party's are killing our country. When acting like a complete idiot hell bent on getting your way over working together for some much needed balance. & common sense is completely abandoned in the name of winning, its a down hill run to the destruction of all that is good about America,
 
I get what you are saying but can you imagine the political storm if internal affairs were handled outside the agency. It's bad enough as it is.....You could pave roads with the bones of peeps tossed under the bus.

Well then, I support allowing all criminals investigate themselves.
 
How would you and 5 or 6 law enforcement officers, without the use of weapons, prevent an unruly, armed mob from breaking a door down to attack lawmakers when they were told to disappear.
Civil rights, you say? How about the right of police to do their job?
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Where was their pepper spray and tasers or do the Capitol police operate under the assumption that the use of deadly force without warning is authorized anytime they feel like it?

*****SMILE*****



:)
 
If you pop your head into my house through a window, you will likely get shot.

That is one of the possible outcomes when you break into a place you are not allowed to enter.

Sorry, that is just how it works. I have a right to protect my property. The cops have a duty to do the same with public property. She decided to be part of a mob. She decided that she was going to illegally break into the capitol. She decided to break through a window.

She gets to pay the piper for that bad decision. In the future, do not be part of a violent mob breaking into an occupied government building - you might get shot.
 
Sigh, I knew you would not make sense very long.

Our laws should be applied to everyone equally, if some can break laws and then investigate themselves I believe all then should.

I would prefer outside sources always doing the investigators but a segment of the population isn't interested in that.

I believe in a fair and equal justice system. You seem to have a problem with that.
 
How would you and 5 or 6 law enforcement officers, without the use of weapons, prevent an unruly, armed mob from breaking a door down to attack lawmakers when they were told to disappear.
Civil rights, you say? How about the right of police to do their job?

Are you talking about how the 5 or 6 armed grads who were standing in front of the door simply walked away without incident right before Babbit was murdered?
 
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Where was their pepper spray and tasers or do the Capitol police operate under the assumption that the use of deadly force without warning is authorized anytime they feel like it?

*****SMILE*****



:)

The attackers had plenty of warning, since the police had their guns drawn. Why would they need pepper spray anyway if this was a peaceful protest? This was an unexpected attack and the police, who were grossly outnumbered, were as prepared as possible under the circumstances.
You would favor firepower in the case of BLM "peaceful" protests, yes? What is different about this "love fest"(tump's words)?
 
If you pop your head into my house through a window, you will likely get shot.

That is one of the possible outcomes when you break into a place you are not allowed to enter.

Sorry, that is just how it works. I have a right to protect my property. The cops have a duty to do the same with public property. She decided to be part of a mob. She decided that she was going to illegally break into the capitol. She decided to break through a window.

She gets to pay the piper for that bad decision. In the future, do not be part of a violent mob breaking into an occupied government building - you might get shot.
Did the police have an obligation to give a warning?
Did the police have an obligation to say "stop or I will shoot?"
 
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Section 1983 of the Civil Rights Act​

  • False arrest
  • Malicious prosecution
  • Excessive use of force
  • Unreasonable use of force
  • False arrest
  • Sexual assault by a police officer

No Use of Verbal Commands​

There are many different examples of excessive use of force. In some instances, police officers will not use any verbal commands on a suspect. Police officers should start with using verbal commands before they resort to using physical force against a suspect. When officers forget or purposely choose not to use verbal communication with a suspect but instead choose to become physical, the victim may have a valid claim of police brutality. Suppose a police officer does not yell at a suspect to put down a weapon before shooting the suspect. In that case, the victim may have a valid case against the police officer for excessive use of force.

Excessive Use of Force​

Unfortunately, excessive use of force claims against police officers are far too common in Philadelphia. Excessive use of force claims garner publicity because they are often outrageous or involve serious injuries or death. These types of claims often involved sexual assault by a police officer, police brutality, or unjustified police shooting against a suspect. Whether the amount of force an officer uses is reasonable depends on the case’s facts and circumstances.

Courts will not look to the police officer’s motivations or intentions. They will focus on whether the police officer used a reasonable amount of force. Even if an officer had good intentions but used unjustifiable and unreasonable force against the victim, the victim can win a case against that police officer.


Comment:
Were Ashli Babbit's civil rights being violated?
The Capital Police did an internal investigation and then cleared themselves.
This is unreasonable.
Can Biden's DOJ be trusted to do an unbiased investigation?
There should be an independent investigation because there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Ashli Babbit's 1st, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th Amendment rights were violated.

Amendment I​

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment V​

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI​

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VIII​

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX​

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

As well as what was stated in the second paragraph of the Declaration on Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
 
The attackers had plenty of warning, since the police had their guns drawn. Why would they need pepper spray anyway if this was a peaceful protest? This was an unexpected attack and the police, who were grossly outnumbered, were as prepared as possible under the circumstances.
You would favor firepower in the case of BLM "peaceful" protests, yes? What is different about this "love fest"(tump's words)?

Was Ashli Babbitt armed with a stick, club, rock, firearm, bike lock, brick, or fireworks, as were many of the 2020 antifa and BLM protesters?
 

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