Well said Ron Huldai...

[Humanity]

How my mind works?

Simple...

End the occupation...

End the blockade on Gaza...

'Free' the Palestinians...

Once that happens... IF Palestinian aggression continues then I support Israel to blow the shit out of ANY terrorist that chooses to attack it!

It's THAT simple... That's how MY mind works!

Please, PLEASE, don't tell me that it is "necessary" to maintain the occupation and blockade for "security" reasons...

Israel has MORE than enough firepower to destroy ANYTHING that Hamas/PA can throw at it! That has been proven... Israel also has the aggression to do so... That has also been proven!

Let me ask you... How long do you think it would take for Israel to, for example, overthrow Hamas, destroy Gaza and continue its "Greater Israel" plans?

I have an idea of how long that would take, but I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on that!

I Think you are wrong from the very essence of that thought.
One must never submit or compromise to violence and extortions, it is a very slippery slop to self destruction.

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

 

[Daniyel]

I Think you are wrong from the very essence of that thought.
One must never submit or compromise to violence and extortions, it is a very slippery slop to self destruction.

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

 

[Humanity]

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

 

[Daniyel]

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

I Assume we both know it's too much to ask, not to be attacked, but in that case it is better not to make a bad deal where the bully get what he wants by violence and put at risk millions of people, so yes I'm "happy", but it doesn't mean this justifies attacks against innocent people as you suggest, those attacks only take every bit of trust we had in the Palestinians back, and it doesn't change a thing. we will never going to agree to make peace under such attacks, so tell me, is it wise to attack Israel (as a Palestinian)? - No.
That's common sense.

 

[Phoenall]

That's all fine and dandy, sweetie, but it doesn't explain the global disease of Islamism and the attacks by Peaceful Inner Strugglers across the globe.

Maybe you're thinking that Daesh in Syria and Iraq are slaughtering Moslems for some reason other than they're upset with rising mortgage rates?

That's all fine and dandy, sweetie...

How about addressing the OP rather than derailing it?

Here, let me try and help you.....

The subject is Tel Aviv-Jaffa Mayor Ron Huldai stating the occupation by Israel is one factor for Palestinian terrorism...

And you ignore the major factor being the teachings of islam that demand subservience by all non muslims. It also teaches that their god gave them the world to play with, but first they had to murder, rape and pillage their way across it. Guess their god got it wrong and cant tell them because he wont allow another prophet, so does it by causing natural disasters and man made disasters. More muslims get killed every year than any other group, I wonder why ?

 

[Phoenall]

"...One can definitely say this... It's not boring here. Ohh, it's not. But not only it isn't boring. It's irritating. It's irritating to wake up in the morning after such brutal murder of innocent people sitting in a restaurant, and to hear AGAIN... all those 'wise' world spokesmen, on television and radio, who explain that this happens to us... because of us.

Yeah. It's our fault.

4 were killed in central Tel Aviv, but the culprits... are us.

I really need a good doctor to diagnose this illness, which makes us believe that no matter what our enemies do... it's always our fault.

Have you ever heard of innocent murder victims who are culprits of their own blood being spilled?

Only here this thinking is possible.

Furthermore, The European representative said that there's a direct line between the Europe terror attacks and our "occupation" and "oppression" here.

In England, an officer is slaughtered for being a disbeliever, the Israeli occupation is at fault... In Paris, dozens are butchered in a concert hall for being infidels, in that, also, the Israeli occupation is at fault... and the world is quiet.

And why it is our fault? Because there's no negotiation. Why are we the responsible ones? because the Arabs have no 'political horizon'... Why is Israel to blame? because the Arab have no hope.

Why we're the guilty ones? because of the occupation.

Simple.

The occupation.

So they're desperate and sad. And common sense says that, when you're desperate and sad and with no hope for the future, you go on a killing spree at a crowded restaurant. That's it. What's more simple than that?

We occupy them, we took their sky above, be blockade them... what is there for them to do? Oh, the occupation! the root of all evil!

Because if there was NO occupation (sarcastic laugh), if that was not an issue, can you imagine the heaven we would have had here? Paradise, Monte Carlo, Switzerland! We would have had skiing trips on Be'er Sheva's mountains. We would have had the Sahara race on mount Hermon.

What a wonderful world we would have had, if only there was no occupation.

Like the one we used to have here before the occupation! In times the Arabs had open skies, no blockade, open horizon to create not only one state, but multiple states, who would have spread all over Judea, Samaria, Hebron and Gaza.

It was all theirs, in case you forgot. Oy, they had beautiful horizons back then.

And even back then, before said occupation, years 1948-1950, it was so wonderful here. When this state, who was just born out of fire and had to deal with the risk of being destroyed and attack constantly, They used to, then, in case you don't remember, write down the names of Jewish drivers passing by the roads of Israel, in case they have to identify their bodies once their vehicles are attacked and set on fire.

Those years were of high risk to the state which just fought for independence, which had to deal with thousands of refugees who escaped a previous genocide in Europe, a genocide the Arabs wished to continue here, in this very homeland.

They wanted back then, before the "occupation", to put a tragic final to the Jewish dream, and bring forth the demise of their new independent state.

Out of those thousand cases of pre-occupation, let us recall just a few. On February 1951, an 8 year old Israeli girl was raped and murdered, in her house at Katamon neighborhood in Jerusalem. December 31st, 1952, Palestinians raped and murdered a 18 year old girl, and hid her body in a cave. January 1st, 1952, seven armed Palestinians attacked and killed a 19 year old girl in 'Beit Israel' neighborhood in Jerusalem...

Year 1953, before we occupied any of Judea, Samaria, or Gaza, One Israeli man was murdered and three others injured in a shooting incident in southern Jerusalem. June 9th, a village near Lod was attacked by Paleastinians, who used mortars and live ammunition on the innocent residents, killing one and injuring many others.

That same night, a group of terrorists attacked a house in Hadera, and another set a house on fire in Ayalon town.

June 11th, 1953, terrorists attacked a young couple in Hess village, murdering them both.

All of that was before the occupation, they had hopes and horizons, so why... Why on June 3rd, 1953, Palestinians invaded the Katamon neighborhood, the beating heart of Jerusalem, and opened fire at passersby? why on October 13th, 1953, Palestinians murdered a mother and two of her children? A 3 year old girl and a 1 year old boy, who were murdered in their sleep.

Why on March 17th, a group of terrorists ambushed a civilian buss driving from Eilat to Tel Aviv, shot at it from close range, entered the bus, shot all of the passengers, 11 people were killed- men, women, children? why?

April 11th, 1956, a Palestinian group invaded the village of ultra-orthodox Jews of Chabad, they attacked the agricultural school with mortar shells and live-fire, killing 4 children and a teacher. The children's blood slpashed to stain their Torah and prayer books.

That same day and same place, they also attacked a synagogue filled with children. 5 children and youth worker were murdered.

During August, 1956, at least 10 Jews were brutally murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

And it continues. The list is long and tiring, and it's all before the occupation, before 1967, the "occupation" doesn't even exist in future plans, so why?

For years, the terror organization of PLO, Ashaf, Fada'iyun tried to bring an end to the Jewish state, to spill it's blood through shots, mortar firing, launchings, bombings, damaging and killing.

It didn't begin in 1967. It did not begin in 1948, either.

Aaron Hershfeld, a Yeshiva student, was murdered on January, 1873, by a Palestinian terrorist group.

So this is the answer to what happened in Tel Aviv. They kill us they have no furur dreams. But why don't we listen to their voices? They tell us clearly- their dreams is to see us gone! with, or without occupation!"

-Yehoram Ga'on, June 9th, 2016

That's a real shame Lipush...

Your post is bordering on hysterical rather than dealing with the subject of the thread...

I had hoped that you may have made sensible comment rather than taking the 'Zionist victimhood' route!

Or simply an attempt to derail the thread as having a prominent political Israeli stating that the occupation by Israel is a cause for Palestinian terrorism does NOT fit in with the Zionist mantra!

The Palestinians say day and night long they want to destroy Israel...

There were THOUSANDS of cases of terrorism before the occupation..

Yes, my post is "hysterical".

I'm curious on how your mind works?


Buttom line is- it's not because of any occupation. It never was. If it was the pure reason, you wouldn't have heard of our enemies attacking and killing Jews abroad, or killing us before the "occupation"

How my mind works?

Simple...

End the occupation...

End the blockade on Gaza...

'Free' the Palestinians...

Once that happens... IF Palestinian aggression continues then I support Israel to blow the shit out of ANY terrorist that chooses to attack it!

It's THAT simple... That's how MY mind works!

Please, PLEASE, don't tell me that it is "necessary" to maintain the occupation and blockade for "security" reasons...

Israel has MORE than enough firepower to destroy ANYTHING that Hamas/PA can throw at it! That has been proven... Israel also has the aggression to do so... That has also been proven!

Let me ask you... How long do you think it would take for Israel to, for example, overthrow Hamas, destroy Gaza and continue its "Greater Israel" plans?

I have an idea of how long that would take, but I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on that!

IF it was that simple then it would have worked in 2005, so seeing as it didn't there must be another reason for the Palestinians terrorism and violence. Could it be that they are taught to do this from birth because their false prophet was a psychopathic monster ?

 

[Phoenall]

"...One can definitely say this... It's not boring here. Ohh, it's not. But not only it isn't boring. It's irritating. It's irritating to wake up in the morning after such brutal murder of innocent people sitting in a restaurant, and to hear AGAIN... all those 'wise' world spokesmen, on television and radio, who explain that this happens to us... because of us.

Yeah. It's our fault.

4 were killed in central Tel Aviv, but the culprits... are us.

I really need a good doctor to diagnose this illness, which makes us believe that no matter what our enemies do... it's always our fault.

Have you ever heard of innocent murder victims who are culprits of their own blood being spilled?

Only here this thinking is possible.

Furthermore, The European representative said that there's a direct line between the Europe terror attacks and our "occupation" and "oppression" here.

In England, an officer is slaughtered for being a disbeliever, the Israeli occupation is at fault... In Paris, dozens are butchered in a concert hall for being infidels, in that, also, the Israeli occupation is at fault... and the world is quiet.

And why it is our fault? Because there's no negotiation. Why are we the responsible ones? because the Arabs have no 'political horizon'... Why is Israel to blame? because the Arab have no hope.

Why we're the guilty ones? because of the occupation.

Simple.

The occupation.

So they're desperate and sad. And common sense says that, when you're desperate and sad and with no hope for the future, you go on a killing spree at a crowded restaurant. That's it. What's more simple than that?

We occupy them, we took their sky above, be blockade them... what is there for them to do? Oh, the occupation! the root of all evil!

Because if there was NO occupation (sarcastic laugh), if that was not an issue, can you imagine the heaven we would have had here? Paradise, Monte Carlo, Switzerland! We would have had skiing trips on Be'er Sheva's mountains. We would have had the Sahara race on mount Hermon.

What a wonderful world we would have had, if only there was no occupation.

Like the one we used to have here before the occupation! In times the Arabs had open skies, no blockade, open horizon to create not only one state, but multiple states, who would have spread all over Judea, Samaria, Hebron and Gaza.

It was all theirs, in case you forgot. Oy, they had beautiful horizons back then.

And even back then, before said occupation, years 1948-1950, it was so wonderful here. When this state, who was just born out of fire and had to deal with the risk of being destroyed and attack constantly, They used to, then, in case you don't remember, write down the names of Jewish drivers passing by the roads of Israel, in case they have to identify their bodies once their vehicles are attacked and set on fire.

Those years were of high risk to the state which just fought for independence, which had to deal with thousands of refugees who escaped a previous genocide in Europe, a genocide the Arabs wished to continue here, in this very homeland.

They wanted back then, before the "occupation", to put a tragic final to the Jewish dream, and bring forth the demise of their new independent state.

Out of those thousand cases of pre-occupation, let us recall just a few. On February 1951, an 8 year old Israeli girl was raped and murdered, in her house at Katamon neighborhood in Jerusalem. December 31st, 1952, Palestinians raped and murdered a 18 year old girl, and hid her body in a cave. January 1st, 1952, seven armed Palestinians attacked and killed a 19 year old girl in 'Beit Israel' neighborhood in Jerusalem...

Year 1953, before we occupied any of Judea, Samaria, or Gaza, One Israeli man was murdered and three others injured in a shooting incident in southern Jerusalem. June 9th, a village near Lod was attacked by Paleastinians, who used mortars and live ammunition on the innocent residents, killing one and injuring many others.

That same night, a group of terrorists attacked a house in Hadera, and another set a house on fire in Ayalon town.

June 11th, 1953, terrorists attacked a young couple in Hess village, murdering them both.

All of that was before the occupation, they had hopes and horizons, so why... Why on June 3rd, 1953, Palestinians invaded the Katamon neighborhood, the beating heart of Jerusalem, and opened fire at passersby? why on October 13th, 1953, Palestinians murdered a mother and two of her children? A 3 year old girl and a 1 year old boy, who were murdered in their sleep.

Why on March 17th, a group of terrorists ambushed a civilian buss driving from Eilat to Tel Aviv, shot at it from close range, entered the bus, shot all of the passengers, 11 people were killed- men, women, children? why?

April 11th, 1956, a Palestinian group invaded the village of ultra-orthodox Jews of Chabad, they attacked the agricultural school with mortar shells and live-fire, killing 4 children and a teacher. The children's blood slpashed to stain their Torah and prayer books.

That same day and same place, they also attacked a synagogue filled with children. 5 children and youth worker were murdered.

During August, 1956, at least 10 Jews were brutally murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

And it continues. The list is long and tiring, and it's all before the occupation, before 1967, the "occupation" doesn't even exist in future plans, so why?

For years, the terror organization of PLO, Ashaf, Fada'iyun tried to bring an end to the Jewish state, to spill it's blood through shots, mortar firing, launchings, bombings, damaging and killing.

It didn't begin in 1967. It did not begin in 1948, either.

Aaron Hershfeld, a Yeshiva student, was murdered on January, 1873, by a Palestinian terrorist group.

So this is the answer to what happened in Tel Aviv. They kill us they have no furur dreams. But why don't we listen to their voices? They tell us clearly- their dreams is to see us gone! with, or without occupation!"

-Yehoram Ga'on, June 9th, 2016

I guess nobody told him about the 1948 occupation.

Those attacks were by Palestinian refugees trying to get back to their homes.

They could have just turned round and went back to Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi, Yemen, Iran and Iraq. Then they would not be whinging and whining all the time about their lost homes.

 

[Phoenall]

"...One can definitely say this... It's not boring here. Ohh, it's not. But not only it isn't boring. It's irritating. It's irritating to wake up in the morning after such brutal murder of innocent people sitting in a restaurant, and to hear AGAIN... all those 'wise' world spokesmen, on television and radio, who explain that this happens to us... because of us.

Yeah. It's our fault.

4 were killed in central Tel Aviv, but the culprits... are us.

I really need a good doctor to diagnose this illness, which makes us believe that no matter what our enemies do... it's always our fault.

Have you ever heard of innocent murder victims who are culprits of their own blood being spilled?

Only here this thinking is possible.

Furthermore, The European representative said that there's a direct line between the Europe terror attacks and our "occupation" and "oppression" here.

In England, an officer is slaughtered for being a disbeliever, the Israeli occupation is at fault... In Paris, dozens are butchered in a concert hall for being infidels, in that, also, the Israeli occupation is at fault... and the world is quiet.

And why it is our fault? Because there's no negotiation. Why are we the responsible ones? because the Arabs have no 'political horizon'... Why is Israel to blame? because the Arab have no hope.

Why we're the guilty ones? because of the occupation.

Simple.

The occupation.

So they're desperate and sad. And common sense says that, when you're desperate and sad and with no hope for the future, you go on a killing spree at a crowded restaurant. That's it. What's more simple than that?

We occupy them, we took their sky above, be blockade them... what is there for them to do? Oh, the occupation! the root of all evil!

Because if there was NO occupation (sarcastic laugh), if that was not an issue, can you imagine the heaven we would have had here? Paradise, Monte Carlo, Switzerland! We would have had skiing trips on Be'er Sheva's mountains. We would have had the Sahara race on mount Hermon.

What a wonderful world we would have had, if only there was no occupation.

Like the one we used to have here before the occupation! In times the Arabs had open skies, no blockade, open horizon to create not only one state, but multiple states, who would have spread all over Judea, Samaria, Hebron and Gaza.

It was all theirs, in case you forgot. Oy, they had beautiful horizons back then.

And even back then, before said occupation, years 1948-1950, it was so wonderful here. When this state, who was just born out of fire and had to deal with the risk of being destroyed and attack constantly, They used to, then, in case you don't remember, write down the names of Jewish drivers passing by the roads of Israel, in case they have to identify their bodies once their vehicles are attacked and set on fire.

Those years were of high risk to the state which just fought for independence, which had to deal with thousands of refugees who escaped a previous genocide in Europe, a genocide the Arabs wished to continue here, in this very homeland.

They wanted back then, before the "occupation", to put a tragic final to the Jewish dream, and bring forth the demise of their new independent state.

Out of those thousand cases of pre-occupation, let us recall just a few. On February 1951, an 8 year old Israeli girl was raped and murdered, in her house at Katamon neighborhood in Jerusalem. December 31st, 1952, Palestinians raped and murdered a 18 year old girl, and hid her body in a cave. January 1st, 1952, seven armed Palestinians attacked and killed a 19 year old girl in 'Beit Israel' neighborhood in Jerusalem...

Year 1953, before we occupied any of Judea, Samaria, or Gaza, One Israeli man was murdered and three others injured in a shooting incident in southern Jerusalem. June 9th, a village near Lod was attacked by Paleastinians, who used mortars and live ammunition on the innocent residents, killing one and injuring many others.

That same night, a group of terrorists attacked a house in Hadera, and another set a house on fire in Ayalon town.

June 11th, 1953, terrorists attacked a young couple in Hess village, murdering them both.

All of that was before the occupation, they had hopes and horizons, so why... Why on June 3rd, 1953, Palestinians invaded the Katamon neighborhood, the beating heart of Jerusalem, and opened fire at passersby? why on October 13th, 1953, Palestinians murdered a mother and two of her children? A 3 year old girl and a 1 year old boy, who were murdered in their sleep.

Why on March 17th, a group of terrorists ambushed a civilian buss driving from Eilat to Tel Aviv, shot at it from close range, entered the bus, shot all of the passengers, 11 people were killed- men, women, children? why?

April 11th, 1956, a Palestinian group invaded the village of ultra-orthodox Jews of Chabad, they attacked the agricultural school with mortar shells and live-fire, killing 4 children and a teacher. The children's blood slpashed to stain their Torah and prayer books.

That same day and same place, they also attacked a synagogue filled with children. 5 children and youth worker were murdered.

During August, 1956, at least 10 Jews were brutally murdered by Palestinian terrorists.

And it continues. The list is long and tiring, and it's all before the occupation, before 1967, the "occupation" doesn't even exist in future plans, so why?

For years, the terror organization of PLO, Ashaf, Fada'iyun tried to bring an end to the Jewish state, to spill it's blood through shots, mortar firing, launchings, bombings, damaging and killing.

It didn't begin in 1967. It did not begin in 1948, either.

Aaron Hershfeld, a Yeshiva student, was murdered on January, 1873, by a Palestinian terrorist group.

So this is the answer to what happened in Tel Aviv. They kill us they have no furur dreams. But why don't we listen to their voices? They tell us clearly- their dreams is to see us gone! with, or without occupation!"

-Yehoram Ga'on, June 9th, 2016

That's a real shame Lipush...

Your post is bordering on hysterical rather than dealing with the subject of the thread...

I had hoped that you may have made sensible comment rather than taking the 'Zionist victimhood' route!

Or simply an attempt to derail the thread as having a prominent political Israeli stating that the occupation by Israel is a cause for Palestinian terrorism does NOT fit in with the Zionist mantra!

The Palestinians say day and night long they want to destroy Israel...

There were THOUSANDS of cases of terrorism before the occupation..

Yes, my post is "hysterical".

I'm curious on how your mind works?


Buttom line is- it's not because of any occupation. It never was. If it was the pure reason, you wouldn't have heard of our enemies attacking and killing Jews abroad, or killing us before the "occupation"

How my mind works?

Simple...

End the occupation...

End the blockade on Gaza...

'Free' the Palestinians...

Once that happens... IF Palestinian aggression continues then I support Israel to blow the shit out of ANY terrorist that chooses to attack it!

It's THAT simple... That's how MY mind works!

Please, PLEASE, don't tell me that it is "necessary" to maintain the occupation and blockade for "security" reasons...

Israel has MORE than enough firepower to destroy ANYTHING that Hamas/PA can throw at it! That has been proven... Israel also has the aggression to do so... That has also been proven!

Let me ask you... How long do you think it would take for Israel to, for example, overthrow Hamas, destroy Gaza and continue its "Greater Israel" plans?

I have an idea of how long that would take, but I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on that!

I Think you are wrong from the very essence of that thought.
One must never submit or compromise to violence and extortions, it is a very slippery slop to self destruction.

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

Isreal has nothing to lose by doing so, as the failure of BDS is showing. The Palestinians are losing every time they attack Israel, and are too stupid to realise they are killing themselves in the process. The Palestinians have it as their death wish to wipe out Israel and the Jews, guess they are heading that way

 

[Phoenall]

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

Same with you when Israel retaliates and destroys another 10% of gaza, kills another 2000 Palestinian human shields and gets told it has committed no war crimes doing so.

 

[Phoenall]

As I have said recently, Israel is a mighty force...

End the blockade, give Gaza the right to self determine its own destiny...

If that destiny is to be wiped from the face of the planet because it decides to, after the blockade is lifted, continue with it's attacks on Israel then so be it!

So, really? You think that the international community would be just peachy dandy with Israel wiping Gaza from the face of the planet? As long as they ended the blockade first and Hamas attacked.

You think that the international community is peachy dandy with Israel right now?

Clearly it isn't!

However, yeah, end the blockade, allow Gaza to operate as a 'normal' state and IF Hamas decides that attacking Israel is still a viable 'option' I see no reason for Israel to attack Gaza, perhaps even alongside international forces (as a sign of 'fairness') and take out Hamas and ANY terrorist group or organisation that attacks Israel...

Leave an interim international force in place to ensure that a fair process is followed to allow Gaza to rebuild with PEACEFUL leadership with PEACEFUL intentions toward Israel.

You can see that, without any movement from Israel in relation to the blockage, that some of the international community still considers an "occupation", there will NEVER be a peaceful solution?

If it wasn't we would see combined forces of the worlds nations parked in the Med and the Straits offloading troops ready to invade Israel. The worlds nations are just playing with the muslims to keep the oil flowing, soon they will have another sourceand they wont want the arab oil

 

[Roudy]

I Think you are wrong from the very essence of that thought.
One must never submit or compromise to violence and extortions, it is a very slippery slop to self destruction.

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

In thirty years, Jews will outnumber the Arabs and Israel will have annexed most of the West Bank, and Gaza will be ruled by Egypt.

 

[Phoenall]

I Think you are wrong from the very essence of that thought.
One must never submit or compromise to violence and extortions, it is a very slippery slop to self destruction.

So continue with the occupation and the blockade of Gaza?

"No deal is better than a bad deal" wouldn't you agree? I'm pretty much positive that you won't but for the sake of the argument try considering this idea from Israeli eyes and tell me that you'd agree..

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

And once again you prove that you only have one POV and everyone should follow it. This is shown by your resorting to your name calling and immature attitude.
How long would it take Iran to load them onto a boat and send them is the answer to your question. How soon could Pakistan ship a nuclear weapon to gaza, see how you are letting your Jew hatred cloud your ability to think clearly. It would only take one shipment and the Palestinians would be targeting every school, hospital and Synagogue in Israel, and you would be singing and dancing at the prospect of all those dead Jews.

 

[Shusha]

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

Well, this is interesting. So, your belief is that the status quo must be broken and would ease the blockade, knowing that Hamas (with external assistance) would attack Israel, thus giving Israel the moral and legal right to defend itself? And you would find the collateral damage inherent in that scenario acceptable?

 

[Daniyel]

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

Well, this is interesting. So, your belief is that the status quo must be broken and would ease the blockade, knowing that Hamas (with external assistance) would attack Israel, thus giving Israel the moral and legal right to defend itself? And you would find the collateral damage inherent in that scenario acceptable?

This is the same old same old, Israel is no longer willing to expremint peace conditions since the Palestinians never made any progress, never kept a single signed treaty, and never even bothered to acknowledge that violence is not their ideal option, so be it, eventually Israel will have more sophisticated weaponry and there would be less popularity among the TO, and when IS will take over Gaza who would beg for Israel's help? Hmm.

 

[Phoenall]

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

Well, this is interesting. So, your belief is that the status quo must be broken and would ease the blockade, knowing that Hamas (with external assistance) would attack Israel, thus giving Israel the moral and legal right to defend itself? And you would find the collateral damage inherent in that scenario acceptable?

Of course he wouldn't, he just wants to see dead bodies on the news so he can point the finger at the Jews. He never did answer why it never worked in 2005, and just gave excuses for the Palestinian violence. Did you know they fired rockets for 9 months before they has a possible reason, and that was a farmer in the west bank getting wounded

 

[Humanity]

That's all fine and dandy, sweetie, but it doesn't explain the global disease of Islamism and the attacks by Peaceful Inner Strugglers across the globe.

Maybe you're thinking that Daesh in Syria and Iraq are slaughtering Moslems for some reason other than they're upset with rising mortgage rates?

That's all fine and dandy, sweetie...

How about addressing the OP rather than derailing it?

Here, let me try and help you.....

The subject is Tel Aviv-Jaffa Mayor Ron Huldai stating the occupation by Israel is one factor for Palestinian terrorism...

And you ignore the major factor being the teachings of islam that demand subservience by all non muslims. It also teaches that their god gave them the world to play with, but first they had to murder, rape and pillage their way across it. Guess their god got it wrong and cant tell them because he wont allow another prophet, so does it by causing natural disasters and man made disasters. More muslims get killed every year than any other group, I wonder why ?

Welcome back Phoney....

The 'Western' misunderstanding of Islam is that the teachings demand subservience of non Muslims to Islam... That is the 'WESTERN' failure to understand Islam... NOT a failing of Islam!

You ignorance is a shining light for all Islamophobes, well done Phoney...

You clearly have no understanding of 'religion'...

The god of Islam is the same god as Christians and Jews...

Prophets are something different!

If you are incapable of understanding that very basic 'rule' then you have NO right to spout your BS on this forum!

 

[Humanity]

You want me to agree with the status quo?

Israel controlling Palestinians and Palestinians attacking Israel?

You are happy with the status quo Daniyel?

It sounds like you are from your post so...

Never complain when a rocket is launched at Israel!!!

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

I Assume we both know it's too much to ask, not to be attacked, but in that case it is better not to make a bad deal where the bully get what he wants by violence and put at risk millions of people, so yes I'm "happy", but it doesn't mean this justifies attacks against innocent people as you suggest, those attacks only take every bit of trust we had in the Palestinians back, and it doesn't change a thing. we will never going to agree to make peace under such attacks, so tell me, is it wise to attack Israel (as a Palestinian)? - No.
That's common sense.

But Daniyel...

You are happy with the status quo...

To accept that Israel will be attacked...

To accept that Israel will control air, land and sea of Gaza...

To accept that Israel will continue to occupy territory...

Most importantly, that Israel will never give 'freedom' to the Palestinians....

So, please, NEVER bitch about Israel being attacked!

You have just relinquished your right to complain!

 

[Lipush]

The alternative will be driving down route 6 with armored vehicle, fearing the rockets launched from The West Bank.

I'll take the status quo.

 

[Daniyel]

You still don't get it? its better over hosting a situation where they are the same people who they were before, but now armed with bigger missiles and strategic capabilities, so yes unfortunately I am happy, since there is no better option, the Palestinians happiness should be the motive not Israel's "demotivation" to lose it all against the Palestinians who got nothing to lose anymore.

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

I Assume we both know it's too much to ask, not to be attacked, but in that case it is better not to make a bad deal where the bully get what he wants by violence and put at risk millions of people, so yes I'm "happy", but it doesn't mean this justifies attacks against innocent people as you suggest, those attacks only take every bit of trust we had in the Palestinians back, and it doesn't change a thing. we will never going to agree to make peace under such attacks, so tell me, is it wise to attack Israel (as a Palestinian)? - No.
That's common sense.

But Daniyel...

You are happy with the status quo...

To accept that Israel will be attacked...

To accept that Israel will control air, land and sea of Gaza...

To accept that Israel will continue to occupy territory...

Most importantly, that Israel will never give 'freedom' to the Palestinians....

So, please, NEVER bitch about Israel being attacked!

You have just relinquished your right to complain!

'Happy' like any other adjective only goes in comparison to something else.
Don't be childish, I know you are fully aware of my right for free speech.


Je suis Tel Aviv.

 

[Humanity]

Oh Daniyel... I get it... Sorry to say YOU don't!

Let the status quo continue and stop every zionut complaining about rockets from Gaza because, in your belief, it is better than the alternative

Your argument is a childish joke Daniyel....

How long do you think it would take the Palestinians to achieve anywhere near the firepower of Israel today?

This continuous "weak victimhood" that Israel and zionists spew out day by day is moronic at best!

Give it 30 years and the Palestinians MAY achieve something close to the Israeli firepower today... How far will Israel be, militarily, in 30 years?

Neither you nor any zionist supporter can consider compromise... That is a very sad thing!

Still better odds than arming hostile militant organizations to the teeth and call them right.

Better odds to continue the troubles...?

Don't ever bitch and whine when there are further attacks from Hamas against Israel will you Daniyel! You are 'happy' to maintain the status quo so, what else would you expect!

I Assume we both know it's too much to ask, not to be attacked, but in that case it is better not to make a bad deal where the bully get what he wants by violence and put at risk millions of people, so yes I'm "happy", but it doesn't mean this justifies attacks against innocent people as you suggest, those attacks only take every bit of trust we had in the Palestinians back, and it doesn't change a thing. we will never going to agree to make peace under such attacks, so tell me, is it wise to attack Israel (as a Palestinian)? - No.
That's common sense.

But Daniyel...

You are happy with the status quo...

To accept that Israel will be attacked...

To accept that Israel will control air, land and sea of Gaza...

To accept that Israel will continue to occupy territory...

Most importantly, that Israel will never give 'freedom' to the Palestinians....

So, please, NEVER bitch about Israel being attacked!

You have just relinquished your right to complain!

'Happy' like any other adjective only goes in comparison to something else.
Don't be childish, I know you are fully aware of my right for free speech.


Je suis Tel Aviv.

Your right for free speech is not in question Daniyel...

Your reluctance to find peace is!