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[iamwhatiseem]

Oh - and another interesting stat, the number one OS is still Windows 7.

From what I've read it was a recent uptick in Win 7 usage that bumped 7 up over 10 and that Win 7 is still the most popular OS for gamers. Will the uptick hold? Grow? Or fall off again (as expected)? Most analysts believe it will shrink again and eventually fall of to maybe 29% by 2020.

I can't imagine ANY gamer wanting an OS that updates whenever it wants, each time possibly screwing up something that makes a game(s) no longer work, or work improperly.
Gamers use PC's with specific mother boards, processors, after market video cards and hardware accelerators etc. It is not "if" but "when" would a Win 10 midnight upgrade come along and suddenly your video card won't work and you cannot roll back the upgrade...so go good luck getting that fixed.
I would imagine Dell and company are well aware of all of this and must be doing something to keep gaming PC's on a more static OS.

I wonder how you fixed the gaming issue on Ubuntu or Mint.

It isn't up to Linux to "fix" gaming. They have no ability to do that. There has to be a valid commercial reason for game makers to port to Linux.
Valve has stated recently that they haven't given up on SteamOS, but it isn't up to them. It is up to gamers and what they buy.
Windows 10 has thrown a potential wrench in the PC gaming field. Obviously. And that is why gamers use Win7. But that cannot go on forever.
The only answer MS can have is to make a gaming OS, perhaps they will.
Linux has, and always did have a platform that can work very well in the gaming field, indeed better than Windows since it does not use half the resources of Windows...but why on earth would game makers port it to Linux with such tiny marketshare?
The OS's abilitiy has nothing to do with it.

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

 

[Kat]

I like W10. I sort of have my updates set to do when and as I want now. I have yet to have a problem. (knocks on wood)

I still miss the option "no updates", though.

Of course. Who doesn't?
MS is finally doing what they have wanted to do for years....control everything concerning the OS...you have little to no choice to change things you don't like.
For instance the data collection machine better known as "Cortona"...MS did not like that people found ways to disable it, so they would reverse the changes you made to YOUR computer...and then when that didn't work, they made it impossible to stop it.
It get's down to whose computer is it anyway?

I never even notice Cortona anymore. I have it disabled.......though I realize I can bring it back up. At least I don't see it.
No different....well yes different........my Galaxy S8 phone has that STUPID Bixby. If I do manage to "disable" it, every time I get an update it enables it. That is much more annoying to me.

Sorry kat buy you don't have Cortona disabled. It now runs mostly in the background collecting everything you do.
Don't believe me?
Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete...then click Task Manager....if it shows "fewer details" on the bottom, click "more details"...now organize the processes running by name...and whalaaa....there she is, most likely running at least 3 processes.

Oh I didn't mean to say it was literally disabled. It is just where it doesn't annoy me. I do not see it. Seems everything does this to us now days whether it is our computers..Google, my phone.....kwim?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

 

[Bleipriester]

From what I've read it was a recent uptick in Win 7 usage that bumped 7 up over 10 and that Win 7 is still the most popular OS for gamers. Will the uptick hold? Grow? Or fall off again (as expected)? Most analysts believe it will shrink again and eventually fall of to maybe 29% by 2020.

I can't imagine ANY gamer wanting an OS that updates whenever it wants, each time possibly screwing up something that makes a game(s) no longer work, or work improperly.
Gamers use PC's with specific mother boards, processors, after market video cards and hardware accelerators etc. It is not "if" but "when" would a Win 10 midnight upgrade come along and suddenly your video card won't work and you cannot roll back the upgrade...so go good luck getting that fixed.
I would imagine Dell and company are well aware of all of this and must be doing something to keep gaming PC's on a more static OS.

I wonder how you fixed the gaming issue on Ubuntu or Mint.

It isn't up to Linux to "fix" gaming. They have no ability to do that. There has to be a valid commercial reason for game makers to port to Linux.
Valve has stated recently that they haven't given up on SteamOS, but it isn't up to them. It is up to gamers and what they buy.
Windows 10 has thrown a potential wrench in the PC gaming field. Obviously. And that is why gamers use Win7. But that cannot go on forever.
The only answer MS can have is to make a gaming OS, perhaps they will.
Linux has, and always did have a platform that can work very well in the gaming field, indeed better than Windows since it does not use half the resources of Windows...but why on earth would game makers port it to Linux with such tiny marketshare?
The OS's abilitiy has nothing to do with it.

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I like W10. I sort of have my updates set to do when and as I want now. I have yet to have a problem. (knocks on wood)

I still miss the option "no updates", though.

Of course. Who doesn't?
MS is finally doing what they have wanted to do for years....control everything concerning the OS...you have little to no choice to change things you don't like.
For instance the data collection machine better known as "Cortona"...MS did not like that people found ways to disable it, so they would reverse the changes you made to YOUR computer...and then when that didn't work, they made it impossible to stop it.
It get's down to whose computer is it anyway?

I never even notice Cortona anymore. I have it disabled.......though I realize I can bring it back up. At least I don't see it.
No different....well yes different........my Galaxy S8 phone has that STUPID Bixby. If I do manage to "disable" it, every time I get an update it enables it. That is much more annoying to me.

Sorry kat buy you don't have Cortona disabled. It now runs mostly in the background collecting everything you do.
Don't believe me?
Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete...then click Task Manager....if it shows "fewer details" on the bottom, click "more details"...now organize the processes running by name...and whalaaa....there she is, most likely running at least 3 processes.

Oh I didn't mean to say it was literally disabled. It is just where it doesn't annoy me. I do not see it. Seems everything does this to us now days whether it is our computers..Google, my phone.....kwim?

Agreed. And they all work together to gather as much as possible.
I am not a big proponent of government involvement, but I will say there needs to be some regulations on this.
Google even tracks you when you are in incognito mode now, so even if you open a "Private Browser: window...it is no longer private. It only stops putting your browser info on YOUR computer, but everything you do still goes to Google servers...as you doing it.

 

[Bleipriester]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

What the heck is Cortana? Not even my Windows 10 knows...

 

[Kat]

I still miss the option "no updates", though.

Of course. Who doesn't?
MS is finally doing what they have wanted to do for years....control everything concerning the OS...you have little to no choice to change things you don't like.
For instance the data collection machine better known as "Cortona"...MS did not like that people found ways to disable it, so they would reverse the changes you made to YOUR computer...and then when that didn't work, they made it impossible to stop it.
It get's down to whose computer is it anyway?

I never even notice Cortona anymore. I have it disabled.......though I realize I can bring it back up. At least I don't see it.
No different....well yes different........my Galaxy S8 phone has that STUPID Bixby. If I do manage to "disable" it, every time I get an update it enables it. That is much more annoying to me.

Sorry kat buy you don't have Cortona disabled. It now runs mostly in the background collecting everything you do.
Don't believe me?
Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete...then click Task Manager....if it shows "fewer details" on the bottom, click "more details"...now organize the processes running by name...and whalaaa....there she is, most likely running at least 3 processes.

Oh I didn't mean to say it was literally disabled. It is just where it doesn't annoy me. I do not see it. Seems everything does this to us now days whether it is our computers..Google, my phone.....kwim?

Agreed. And they all work together to gather as much as possible.
I am not a big proponent of government involvement, but I will say there needs to be some regulations on this.
Google even tracks you when you are in incognito mode now, so even if you open a "Private Browser: window...it is no longer private. It only stops putting your browser info on YOUR computer, but everything you do still goes to Google servers...as you doing it.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I know. And it makes me irate.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I can't imagine ANY gamer wanting an OS that updates whenever it wants, each time possibly screwing up something that makes a game(s) no longer work, or work improperly.
Gamers use PC's with specific mother boards, processors, after market video cards and hardware accelerators etc. It is not "if" but "when" would a Win 10 midnight upgrade come along and suddenly your video card won't work and you cannot roll back the upgrade...so go good luck getting that fixed.
I would imagine Dell and company are well aware of all of this and must be doing something to keep gaming PC's on a more static OS.

I wonder how you fixed the gaming issue on Ubuntu or Mint.

It isn't up to Linux to "fix" gaming. They have no ability to do that. There has to be a valid commercial reason for game makers to port to Linux.
Valve has stated recently that they haven't given up on SteamOS, but it isn't up to them. It is up to gamers and what they buy.
Windows 10 has thrown a potential wrench in the PC gaming field. Obviously. And that is why gamers use Win7. But that cannot go on forever.
The only answer MS can have is to make a gaming OS, perhaps they will.
Linux has, and always did have a platform that can work very well in the gaming field, indeed better than Windows since it does not use half the resources of Windows...but why on earth would game makers port it to Linux with such tiny marketshare?
The OS's abilitiy has nothing to do with it.

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

Get serious.
OpenGL is half as good as Dx. And has 1/10th the resources to make it better, but that would still require game writers to write for both - not going to happen.

 

[Kat]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

What the heck is Cortana? Not even my Windows 10 knows...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17214/windows-10-what-is

 

[Bleipriester]

I wonder how you fixed the gaming issue on Ubuntu or Mint.

It isn't up to Linux to "fix" gaming. They have no ability to do that. There has to be a valid commercial reason for game makers to port to Linux.
Valve has stated recently that they haven't given up on SteamOS, but it isn't up to them. It is up to gamers and what they buy.
Windows 10 has thrown a potential wrench in the PC gaming field. Obviously. And that is why gamers use Win7. But that cannot go on forever.
The only answer MS can have is to make a gaming OS, perhaps they will.
Linux has, and always did have a platform that can work very well in the gaming field, indeed better than Windows since it does not use half the resources of Windows...but why on earth would game makers port it to Linux with such tiny marketshare?
The OS's abilitiy has nothing to do with it.

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

Get serious.
OpenGL is half as good as Dx. And has 1/10th the resources to make it better, but that would still require game writers to write for both - not going to happen.

If Linux was a gaming platform OpenGL would get more attention too.

 

[Bleipriester]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

What the heck is Cortana? Not even my Windows 10 knows...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17214/windows-10-what-is

Thx. But I was joking. There is no Cortana on Windows 10 LTSB (and no "Apps", "Store", "Edge", "Timeline" and whatever is or will be around on normal Win10).

 

[Kat]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

What the heck is Cortana? Not even my Windows 10 knows...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17214/windows-10-what-is

Thx. But I was joking. There is no Cortana on Windows 10 LTSB (and no "Apps", "Store" or "Edge")

You mean you made me look that up for nuttin'????

 

[Kat]

Bleipriester

From what I was reading, you do still get updates with LTSB, just not nearly as often.

 

[Bleipriester]

And BTW, I know people keep coming out with new ways to disable Cortona, couple things...disabling the voice and search features does not stop the data collecting part of the program...and two...I just looked it up and there appears to be a way to do it as of a couple weeks ago...I don't know if it works, but even if it does...I don't want to have to check every damn day if it is running and..snap!...I better spend 30 minutes on the web seeing if someone has figured it out....again...and again.

What the heck is Cortana? Not even my Windows 10 knows...

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17214/windows-10-what-is

Thx. But I was joking. There is no Cortana on Windows 10 LTSB (and no "Apps", "Store" or "Edge")

You mean you made me look that up for nuttin'????

Yes, actually

 

[Ringel05]

It isn't up to Linux to "fix" gaming. They have no ability to do that. There has to be a valid commercial reason for game makers to port to Linux.
Valve has stated recently that they haven't given up on SteamOS, but it isn't up to them. It is up to gamers and what they buy.
Windows 10 has thrown a potential wrench in the PC gaming field. Obviously. And that is why gamers use Win7. But that cannot go on forever.
The only answer MS can have is to make a gaming OS, perhaps they will.
Linux has, and always did have a platform that can work very well in the gaming field, indeed better than Windows since it does not use half the resources of Windows...but why on earth would game makers port it to Linux with such tiny marketshare?
The OS's abilitiy has nothing to do with it.

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

Get serious.
OpenGL is half as good as Dx. And has 1/10th the resources to make it better, but that would still require game writers to write for both - not going to happen.

If Linux was a gaming platform OpenGL would get more attention too.

Yeah, so?

 

[Bleipriester]

Bleipriester

From what I was reading, you do still get updates with LTSB, just not nearly as often.

I get different updates. But since LTSB is actually for companies, security is not neglected. My updates are for Windows 10 Version 1607 and also will be for 1607 in five years.
I can get updates the same way all the others do but I also can download and install them manually. For example:
Microsoft Update Catalog

 

[Bleipriester]

You missed my point. No matter for what reasons: Linux is not a proper gaming platform and Windows 10 with its gaming mode is better suited.
Developers are still lazy ducks. Mantle, that gave birth to Dx12, is way faster than prior versions of Direct X. But new games that support Dx12 are not becoming more common, but the opposite. But Dx 12 could actually be a reason to "upgrade" to Win10, because MS excludes older versions of Windows.

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

Get serious.
OpenGL is half as good as Dx. And has 1/10th the resources to make it better, but that would still require game writers to write for both - not going to happen.

If Linux was a gaming platform OpenGL would get more attention too.

Yeah, so?

Why not?

 

[Ringel05]

You ever hear of Steam?
And DirectX is closed source, so that is why it isn't available to Linux. Again, nothing to do with the platform.If DirectX was opened for developers, you would see DirectX in no time. But of course that isn't going to happen, because that is the key reason MS dominates gaming...they are not about to open up the only thing that provides that dominance.
But again. That has nothing to do with the OS.

No, it has nothing to do with the OS. But Dx is not preserving MS domination, it´s Windows´ market share as you already said. Dx on Linux would not change much, OpenGL is available.

Get serious.
OpenGL is half as good as Dx. And has 1/10th the resources to make it better, but that would still require game writers to write for both - not going to happen.

If Linux was a gaming platform OpenGL would get more attention too.

Yeah, so?

Why not?

You tell me........

 

[miketx]

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[iamwhatiseem]

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Haven't tried Opera in years, but I never liked the feel of it. Hard to pinpoint...just always seemed...uncoordinated and sterile
Didn't use to like Chrome, but it is pretty solid. That is what the wife uses.
I used Firefox for at least 10 years. But as the years went by it got bigger and bigger and can sit there and easily consume over a gig of RAM. That is ridiculous. What the hell is it doing when all I have open is gmail and USMB???