NoNukes
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It is not semantics, it was a typical Trump lie.Semantics from a sniveling little “safe space” snowflakeHe did not shut down travel from China, just restricted it. His followers believe anything he says without checking it.![]()
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It is not semantics, it was a typical Trump lie.Semantics from a sniveling little “safe space” snowflakeHe did not shut down travel from China, just restricted it. His followers believe anything he says without checking it.![]()
We on the right have the intelligence to understand this was something nobody could have prevented. We also understand how thick and slow our bureaucracies are. I think it's time we eliminated most of them.
In any case, it would have been much, much worse under Democrat leadership. If they were in charge today, we likely still would not have a travel ban, and southerners would continue to pour across our border.
People coming from the South weren't the problem, it was Americans coming back from China and Europe who brought it.
Trump Failed. People died.
His only point is NOBODY knew how this could get. It was like 911. It was something nobody could fathom. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, it's not DeBlaahhhzio's fault, it's not Newsom's fault. The only people responsible are the Chinese.
Nobody took it seriously until it became a problem here, and that includes all the leading Democrats. You on the left are trying to make this out as if Trump was too stupid to see the problem ahead of time, even though every Democrat did the same as the President.
it wasn't leading Democrats job to solve the problem, it was Trump's. He failed miserably.
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They were not the problem originally, but they are now, and Democrats would still have an open border if they were in charge letting all those people in.
I never said it was their problem to solve, but local officials have the right and obligation to put their own policies into place, which as we know, they didn't. Not only did they not create restrictive policies, but they encouraged people to do just the opposite of sheltering.
Are you trying to rewrite history we just saw? The governors are the ones who put restrictions in place when Trump refused to do anything lest he panic the markets.
Trump failed. Failed pretty badly. We are now cruising to 20% unemployment.
When? In early March, it was Cuomo and DeBlahzio who were telling people to get out there and mingle, shop, socialize as if nothing was wrong. Piglosi encouraging people to get out and do business in Chinatown. As I already posted, Trump was taking action long before that. So why did they do that? For the same reason Trump did it, so as not to damage a booming economy.
When? In early March, it was Cuomo and DeBlahzio who were telling people to get out there and mingle, shop, socialize as if nothing was wrong. Piglosi encouraging people to get out and do business in Chinatown. As I already posted, Trump was taking action long before that. So why did they do that? For the same reason Trump did it, so as not to damage a booming economy.
Well, the mingling in Chinatown was because racists like you were beating up on Asian people because you thought they were infected... but never mind.
Trump didn't take action, and he was the one with all the resources to deal with this. He didn't want to spook the markets. He put the Dow ahead of American lives... Now we have 55,000 dead and 20% unemployment.
It was unavoidable. There would be four times that many if Democrats were in charge. So thank God (or whatever you believe in) for that.
It was unavoidable. There would be four times that many if Democrats were in charge. So thank God (or whatever you believe in) for that.
Not sure what you are basing that on. Trump is running the country the way he ran most of his businesses - INCOMPETENTLY.
Democrats have demonstrated they are more for immigrants than Americans.
That's why they stopped Kate's law--a law that would have imprisoned a deported felon for five years if they returned to our country.
They created sanctuary cities, and now sanctuary states.
In some lib places, they have laws against our authorities contacting ICE when they have an illegal who broke the law in custody.
They closed down the federal government for the longest period in history over Trump's wall.
Who's side do you think these people are on? And you mean to tell me they would have supported a travel ban to the US? Don't you believe it. How many Americans have died or been injured by an illegal, and the Democrats could care less?
If you aren't a Native American, you descended from an immigrant or a slave.
Our prisons are already filled with a lot of people we don't have room to lock up, This was another one of those "unfunded mandates" - where the Federal government demands the states do something and don't come up with the funds to do it.
So how many murderers are you going to put back on the street to lock up a guy who snuck back into the country after he got a DUI?
Awesome. Until the Feds fix our broken immigration system, we should. Before Trump fucked up the economy, we have jobs Americans don't want to do, people who want to do them living in other countries, and they can't get here easily because some white trash lives in terror that a Mexican might date his daughter.
Meanwhile, the states and cities have to live with the reality that these people ARE here, they are part of their communities, and if you want them to cooperate in that community, they can't live in fear that schools or the police are going to call ICE for shits and grins.
Again, given the way ICE acts now, like a bunch of jackbooted thugs, they should.
Because a wall is a waste of money. Republicans shut down the government under Clinton and Obama for much dumber reasons.
Travel bans are worthless, because unlike you, Viruses aren't racist assholes. Trump ignored the problem for three months. Democrats would have (and did at the state level) carry out testing and social distancing, which is what is bringing this to heel.
So what does that have to do with the price of rice in China???
No, because they would have went to a federal prison which is funded. Since Democrats became the anti-white party, their goal is to flood our country with as many immigrants as possible. That's why they tabled the bill. They knew it would have worked on most immigrants. Democrats don't care if they come back and kill Americans like Kate. Americans don't matter to them, only immigrants do.
Maybe if we instilled enough fear, they wouldn't be breaking our laws by coming here in the first place. If you sneak into a private club, that doesn't mean you are part of that club, you are still an unwanted intruder. When caught, you will be arrested and forced to leave the premises.
Use your brain for a minute. Don't you think that if the commies thought a wall wouldn't work, they would give little resistance? The best way to prove somebody wrong is to let them have their way. If a wall didn't work, they would be able to rub the Republicans noses in it for decades to come.
So why don't they want a wall? Because a wall will work, as it has in every other place it's been tried. If they ever get leadership again (God forbid) they can reverse Republican immigration policy, but they will never be able to get rid of the border. That's what scares them so badly.
Will thank you for admitting that as a Democrat, you view travel bans worthless which supports my original point, and that is under commie leadership, we would have ten times the problem with this virus as we have today.
So if you are trying to claim that "most" immigrants would be effected by this law, then it would have been unconstitutional. Probably a violation of the Fifth, Sixth and Eighth Amendments. Probably the fourteenth as well.
No, honestly, if you guys were really concerned about Americans like Kate, who was killed by a gun, then you'd be worried about the other 32,000 Americans who are killed by guns every year.
Uh, guy, you don't want them. The people who are hiring them do. So while you might be upset they are here and might take that very complicated job of driving in a straight line, most people don't care. Most people support immigration reform and oppose the wall.
Actually when Trump is gone, those walls will be torn down as a symbolic gesture of how fucked up he was to start with. Post Trump, you are going to see a massive amount of 'Not my fault" across the spectrum.
Travel bans are worthless. The virus got in here, anyway, and we have more cases and deaths than any other country.
What would be unconstitutional about it? Where in the US Constitution does it give protection to law breakers in our country?
No, Kate was not killed by a gun. A gun didn't jump out of a dresser drawer somewhere, hop to Kate and shoot her. She was murdered by an illegal, and that illegal was set free by a commie judge to kill again.
Of course they do. That's why Donald Trump is our President and will remain President for another five years.
Good, let them tear it down. Let them spend billions of our tax dollars to demonstrate something we've been saying all along, and that the commies denied, which is is they are an open borders party, that cares more about immigrants than Americans.
We would have ten times more if Hillary were in charge. Even Dr. Fauci stated without those travel bans, we would be in huge trouble right now.
Um.. The Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh and Eighth Amendments are very clear in their protections of the rights of those accused of crimes.
Or did you think the Constitution only has two Amendments.
No, she was killed by a bullet fired by a gun that was defective. A jury reviewed the evidence, and even though the person in question had a public defender, they could not make out a case of murder or manslaughter because there wasn't any INTENT to kill anyone. He picked up a bundle of cloth that had a gun in it, it fired and the bullet deflected off the ground and hit someone. It was an accident, and 800 Americans every year are killed in firearm accidents. Few go to jail for accidents.
Sorry, buddy, Trump is pretty much done... I think it was after he told people to start drinking bleach, no one takes him seriously now.
Man, you sound like a mother ******* five year old. "Mommy, You love Timmy more than you love me!!!"
Here's the thing. An undocumented person being here doing a shitty construction job I don't want to do takes nothing away from me... It really doesn't.
Fauci is saying whatever he has to to appease the man-child. The travel bans were worse than worthless, they probably made the problem worse.
It has nothing to do with laws passed by the Congress and signed by the President. If they want to make it a felony for a deported felon returning to this country, there is nothin in the Constitution stopping them.
Only stupid libs in CA bought that cartoon story. How could anybody be so dumb as to believe another person stole a gun out of a detectives car, decided he didn't want it anymore, wrapped it in a cloth, and instead of throwing it in the ocean, left it for anybody to see? Do you know how low intelligence or extremely naive one would have to be to believe such a story?
It's the Democrats (once again) lying about what Trump said that will help usher him into the White House again. Oh! And now the commies want an investigation into him defunding the WHO. Don't worry bout the White House, worry more that Americans are fed up with the House using up every dollar we pay them to try and find ways to get rid of Trump because they are so petulant.
Right, because JoeB on the internet knows more than the Director of the
Actually, it would probably violate several amendments... Being in this country illegally is ONLY a misdemeanor.
Right... Only cops who shoot black kids deserve to have improbable stories believed. Our system works on reasonable doubt. No one saw the guy break into the car, and the gun WAS in a cloth.
Funny how you suddenly believe a government agency when it supports the bleach drinkers. Okay, let's get real, we see those breifings where Brix and Fauci are trying their level best to do their jobs, and Trump is ranting crazy shit about how his ratings are better than the Bachelor or drinking bleach...
There are many, many reasons for DiBlasio not to shut down New York too early. Neither of which include him thinking the virus is a hoax, or wanting New Yorkers to die.
I guess that conservatives with their limited intellect, can't fathom the idea of a multiple choice with more than two options. When I was working with disabled children, I was told to give them three choices, to make them think they were in control, but that I was really the one in controll since I stipulated the options.
His only point is NOBODY knew how this could get. It was like 911. It was something nobody could fathom. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, it's not DeBlaahhhzio's fault, it's not Newsom's fault. The only people responsible are the Chinese.
Nobody took it seriously until it became a problem here, and that includes all the leading Democrats. You on the left are trying to make this out as if Trump was too stupid to see the problem ahead of time, even though every Democrat did the same as the President.
There are many, many reasons for DiBlasio not to shut down New York too early. Neither of which include him thinking the virus is a hoax, or wanting New Yorkers to die.
I guess that conservatives with their limited intellect, can't fathom the idea of a multiple choice with more than two options. When I was working with disabled children, I was told to give them three choices, to make them think they were in control, but that I was really the one in controll since I stipulated the options.
His only point is NOBODY knew how this could get. It was like 911. It was something nobody could fathom. It's not Trump's fault, it's not Cuomo's fault, it's not DeBlaahhhzio's fault, it's not Newsom's fault. The only people responsible are the Chinese.
Nobody took it seriously until it became a problem here, and that includes all the leading Democrats. You on the left are trying to make this out as if Trump was too stupid to see the problem ahead of time, even though every Democrat did the same as the President.
If it's "nobody's fault" but the Chinese, how is it that everyone other first world country in the world did a better job at controlling the virus, and a better job at curing the virus than the USA. The current rate of death to closed cases in the USA is currently 29%, which is down from a high of 37% a week ago. But this is still a higher rate of death than either Spain or Italy, the difference being that the USA still has 880,000 active cases, versus 210,000 closed cases, while both Spain and Italy both have more closed cases than active.
The rate of death is still rising in the USA, but the US has a long long way to go to reach and the number of active cases continues to rise. And yet of all of the countries in the world, the USA is the only country in the world where there are pubic demonstrations to re-open.
It is not the job of the Democrats to lead the nation's fight in a "National Emergency". Donald Trump declared a National Emergency on March 15th, which means that the Trump and Trump alone was supposed to be leading the national response to the pandemic. Not only did Trump immediately hand the job off to Mike Pence, he then proceeded to spend hours in the daily briefings touting unproven malaria drugs which ended up KILLING more people than it cured, and proved to be of limited benefit to anyone. Then he suggested "getting disinfectants inside people", and other idiot ideas, which his cult like followers immediately seize upon and promote.
Trump keeps blaming everyone but Trump is the guy who made the decision to call 40,000 Americans home from China, but didn't test them when they got here. Trump is the guy who decided not to use the WHO tests which lead to the mess with testing in the USA that endures all these months later. Trump is the guy who now says states are on their own because he doesn't have a ******* clue how to fix this, and he wants to blame someone else, not him.
After all, if not for the Constitution, he COULD have ordered the states to do what he wanted to fix it. And then he could have done a better job.