We should listen to the “experts”

[P@triot]

. they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions.

You just described every single Trump supporter on this board.

Ah yes, the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue”. All Dumbocrat’s need government to provide for them because none of them can grow up.

 

[iceberg]

. they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions.

You just described every single Trump supporter on this board.

Ah yes, the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue”. All Dumbocrat’s need government to provide for them because none of them can grow up.

when the best someone can do is lump people together into a negative stereotype for the purposes of getting a shot in - they have zero to offer and the value of their commentary is completely worthless.

it's partisan bitching and whining. EITHER SIDE.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, good thing, since that lab fights diseases, and the virus was naturally occurring.

MEANWHILE, the economy continues to sink while Trump fiddles.

Yeah, they fought diseases alright. Look how good of a job they've done.

China is renown for producing low-quality products and having careless overworked employees. You don't help them do experiments with something this dangerous. When they first learned about the danger this presented, what did they do? They stopped all domestic flights and allowed international flights in and out of Wuhan.

 

[bripat9643]

. they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions.

You just described every single Trump supporter on this board.

 

[Seawytch]

. they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions.

You just described every single Trump supporter on this board.

Ah yes, the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue”. All Dumbocrat’s need government to provide for them because none of them can grow up.

when the best someone can do is lump people together into a negative stereotype for the purposes of getting a shot in - they have zero to offer and the value of their commentary is completely worthless.

it's partisan bitching and whining. EITHER SIDE.

Allow me to quote...well, you:

"they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions."

Irony is my god, it never disappoints.

 

[P@triot]

Allow me to quote...well, you:

"they don't want conversation or truth, they want validation for their emotions."

Irony is my god, it never disappoints.

It is ironic...that you can’t grasp how your emotions rule your limited intellect.

 

[Polishprince]

Well his crystal ball was in the shop that month. Not his fault.

He has a 100 Billion dollar Crystal ball called the intel community, that was SCREAMING 'Take this seriously!"

He played golf.

The Intel Community got it wrong about Iraq, why would they be trusted on this? Particularly when the intel community has had the singular purpose of taking down Trump since he disembarked from the Golden Escalator.

 

[Rigby5]

Well his crystal ball was in the shop that month. Not his fault.

He has a 100 Billion dollar Crystal ball called the intel community, that was SCREAMING 'Take this seriously!"

He played golf.

The Intel Community got it wrong about Iraq, why would they be trusted on this? Particularly when the intel community has had the singular purpose of taking down Trump since he disembarked from the Golden Escalator.

The intel community never has had consensus.
Like Sweden, many virologists believe we should allow herd immunity occur as quickly as possible, by having no change to the general population, and only isolate the one compromised and likely to die from it.
There is no virologist saying that social distancing reduces the death toll.
What they say instead is that social distancing flattens the curve and prevents hospital overloading.

 

[JoeB131]

It's been said numerous times how Trump could cure cancer, and the only thing the left would focus on is how many doctors and nurses he put out of work.

In a sense it's a good sign. When you have the left blaming a US President for a worldwide pandemic, you realize how low they need to stoop in effort to justify their horrible pick for the Democrat nominee. They're in a gun fight, ran out of ammo, and now their only resort is to throw their gun at your head as a Hail Mary.

Biden was leading Trump before he fumbled the ball on Covid-19.

Before Covid-19 cancelled the primaries, there was RECORD TURNOUT for the democratic field. Please, the idea that somehow, there just wasn't any enthusiasm for getting rid of Trump before he killed 45,000 people with his incompetence is ... silly.

Let them talk all they want. Records show them as liars, especially when they say Trump knew all about this virus, it's potential impact, before the WHO even announced it was a problem. I hope logical voters see right through this as we on the right do.

I was saying in January that Covid-19 was going to be Trump's Katrina. I didn't realize how right I would be. Bush's handling of Katrina looks downright professional compared to how Trump handled Covid-19.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, they fought diseases alright. Look how good of a job they've done.

China is renown for producing low-quality products and having careless overworked employees. You don't help them do experiments with something this dangerous. When they first learned about the danger this presented, what did they do? They stopped all domestic flights and allowed international flights in and out of Wuhan.

Actually, what they did was isolate one province, which was the smart thing to do.

We panicked and tried to shut down all travel and ended up spreading the disease.

So why they contained it, we didn't. Of course, they didn't have a Reality TV Rodeo Clown running things.

 

[JoeB131]

The Intel Community got it wrong about Iraq, why would they be trusted on this? Particularly when the intel community has had the singular purpose of taking down Trump since he disembarked from the Golden Escalator.

No, the intel community didn't get it wrong on Iraq. They said it was a bad idea.

Bush and Cheney wanted a war no matter what the Intel Community said, that was the thing.

Now, the point was, the intel community got it right on Covid19. But Trump is still mad because they think he's an idiot. He showed them. And the 45,000 people who've died from this stuff!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, they fought diseases alright. Look how good of a job they've done.

China is renown for producing low-quality products and having careless overworked employees. You don't help them do experiments with something this dangerous. When they first learned about the danger this presented, what did they do? They stopped all domestic flights and allowed international flights in and out of Wuhan.

Actually, what they did was isolate one province, which was the smart thing to do.

We panicked and tried to shut down all travel and ended up spreading the disease.

So why they contained it, we didn't. Of course, they didn't have a Reality TV Rodeo Clown running things.

You lack comprehension skills, don't you? How did they stop it from spreading by allowing international flights to continue in and out of that area? They are the ones responsible for this worldwide problem. This "Trump allowed it to spread" is a made-up story in your head. You have no evidence to support it. Why did you make it up? Because that's what TDS people do, they make up lies.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Biden was leading Trump before he fumbled the ball on Covid-19.

Before Covid-19 cancelled the primaries, there was RECORD TURNOUT for the democratic field. Please, the idea that somehow, there just wasn't any enthusiasm for getting rid of Trump before he killed 45,000 people with his incompetence is ... silly.

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Their first primary debate had a reasonable audience, but every debate afterwards kept getting less and less people watching. They had the most pathetic ratings ever by the time the last debate came up.

The only people that believe this is Trump's fault are the TDS people like yourself. Everybody else who reads honest media knows differently.

I was saying in January that Covid-19 was going to be Trump's Katrina. I didn't realize how right I would be. Bush's handling of Katrina looks downright professional compared to how Trump handled Covid-19.

You were saying that because of hopes and dreams, or are you now going to tell us you know more than our medical professionals and WHO? It's just like you were predicting (since Trump got elected) that he was going to ruin the economy, when in fact, he made the economy better and better.

 

[JoeB131]

You lack comprehension skills, don't you? How did they stop it from spreading by allowing international flights to continue in and out of that area? They are the ones responsible for this worldwide problem. This "Trump allowed it to spread" is a made-up story in your head. You have no evidence to support it. Why did you make it up? Because that's what TDS people do, they make up lies.

Trump ignored the problem for three months. He's STILL trying to get everyone back at work to make his millionaire buddies rich.

 

[JoeB131]

You have no idea WTF you're talking about. Their first primary debate had a reasonable audience, but every debate afterwards kept getting less and less people watching. They had the most pathetic ratings ever by the time the last debate came up.

Wasn't talking about debates, buddy, I was talking about voter turnout, which was higher than normal. People are really keen to get rid of fucking Trump.

You were saying that because of hopes and dreams, or are you now going to tell us you know more than our medical professionals and WHO? It's just like you were predicting (since Trump got elected) that he was going to ruin the economy, when in fact, he made the economy better and better.

Um, 4.5 million more people filed for Unemployment last week! That's brings us up to 26 million in the last five weeks.

Trump fucked this up.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wasn't talking about debates, buddy, I was talking about voter turnout, which was higher than normal. People are really keen to get rid of fucking Trump.

It was higher than normal on both sides. It's just hate won out that time. It won't happen again.

Um, 4.5 million more people filed for Unemployment last week! That's brings us up to 26 million in the last five weeks.

Trump fucked this up.

The only people that fucked it up is your commie brethren in China. Everybody knows that except the uninformed left.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You lack comprehension skills, don't you? How did they stop it from spreading by allowing international flights to continue in and out of that area? They are the ones responsible for this worldwide problem. This "Trump allowed it to spread" is a made-up story in your head. You have no evidence to support it. Why did you make it up? Because that's what TDS people do, they make up lies.

Trump ignored the problem for three months. He's STILL trying to get everyone back at work to make his millionaire buddies rich.

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Bullshit. The WHO made the announcement on January 30th, and Trump started action the very next day. Like I said, I have the timeline if you want. On January 23rd, Dr. Fauci was on television that the virus was nothing to worry about; go on with your life as normal. How is Trump supposed to know more than an expert?

 

[JoeB131]

It was higher than normal on both sides. It's just hate won out that time. It won't happen again.

Um, no, not really. Democrats got a much higher turnout than Democrats, DESPITE Covid-19, until the polls all got shut down.

The only people that fucked it up is your commie brethren in China. Everybody knows that except the uninformed left.

It's not China's job to look out for our health. That was Trump's job. He failed. He won't be running against Xi. Which is good, because that post where he praised Xi for his transparency would be a bit embarrassing.

Bullshit. The WHO made the announcement on January 30th, and Trump started action the very next day. Like I said, I have the timeline if you want. On January 23rd, Dr. Fauci was on television that the virus was nothing to worry about; go on with your life as normal. How is Trump supposed to know more than an expert?

Again, by March 19th, we knew it was going to be a lot worse. Trump did nothing. He played Golf. He called it a Hoax. He held some of his Nazi Rallies. He's STILL trying to reopen the country over the objections of the medical establishment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Um, no, not really. Democrats got a much higher turnout than Democrats, DESPITE Covid-19, until the polls all got shut down.

Wait a minute, which election are you talking about? I was under the assumption you were speaking of 2016.

It's not China's job to look out for our health. That was Trump's job. He failed. He won't be running against Xi. Which is good, because that post where he praised Xi for his transparency would be a bit embarrassing.

It was China's job to alert the world when they knew this thing was a potential problem. It was China's job to stop all international flights not only in and out of Wuhan, but the entire country. That was their job.

It was also their job to provide all data known to every country around the world. And it was their duty to explain how it happened.

Again, by March 19th, we knew it was going to be a lot worse. Trump did nothing. He played Golf. He called it a Hoax. He held some of his Nazi Rallies. He's STILL trying to reopen the country over the objections of the medical establishment.

Which medical establishment do you speak of? Dr. Fauci said it himself. Trump was acting on every suggestion he made. In fact, he acted on the advice of our bureaucracies that moves slower than molasses.

January 3: CDC Director Robert Redfield sent an email to the director of the Chinese CDC, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus.

January 5: CDC Director Redfield sent another email to the Chinese CDC Director, George Gao, formally offering to send U.S. experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak,

January 6: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) issued a level I travel notice for Wuhan, China due to the spreading coronavirus.

January 7: The CDC established a coronavirus incident management system to better share and respond to information about the virus.

January 11: The CDC updated a Level 1 travel health notice for Wuhan, China.

January 17: The CDC began implementing public health entry screening at the 3 U.S. airports that received the most travelers from Wuhan – San Francisco, New York JFK, and Los Angeles.

January 20: Dr. Fauci announces the National Institutes of Health is already working on the development of a vaccine for the coronavirus.

January 21: The CDC activated its emergency operations center to provide ongoing support to the coronavirus response.

January 23: The CDC sought a “special emergency authorization” from the FDA to allow states to use its newly developed coronavirus test.

January 27: President Trump tweeted that he made an offer to President Xi Jinping to send experts to China to investigate the coronavirus outbreak.

January 27: The CDC issued a level III travel health notice urging Americans to avoid all nonessential travel to China due to the coronavirus.

January 27: The White House Coronavirus Task Force started meeting to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.

January 29: The White House announced the formation of the Coronavirus Task Force to help monitor and contain the spread of the virus and provide updates to the President.

January 31: The Trump Administration:

• Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency.
  
• Announced Chinese travel restrictions.
  
• Suspended entry into the United States for foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the coronavirus.

January 31: The Department of Homeland Security took critical steps to funnel all flights from China into just 7 domestic U.S. airports.

February 3: The CDC had a team ready to travel to China to obtain critical information on the novel coronavirus, but were in the U.S. awaiting permission to enter by the Chinese government.

February 2: The CDC expanded enhanced entry screening to eight major airports across the nation.

February 4: President Trump vowed in his State of the Union Address to “take all necessary steps” to protect Americans from the coronavirus.

February 5: The Trump Administration and health officials briefed lawmakers on the Federal Government's coronavirus response efforts.

February 6: The CDC began shipping CDC-Developed test kits for the 2019 Novel Coronavirus to U.S. and international labs.

February 7: President Trump told reporters that the CDC is working with China on the coronavirus.

February 9: The White House Coronavirus Task Force briefed governors from across the nation at the National Governors’ Association Meeting in Washington.

February 11: The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine.

February 12: The U.S. shipped test kits for the 2019 novel coronavirus to approximately 30 countries who lacked the necessary reagents and other materials.

February 12: The CDC was prepared to travel to China but had yet to receive permission from the Chinese government.

February 14: The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus.

February 18: HHS announced it would engage with Sanofi Pasteur in an effort to quickly develop a coronavirus vaccine and to develop treatment for coronavirus infections.

February 22: A WHO team of international experts arrives in Wuhan, China.

February 24: The Trump Administration sent a letter to Congress requesting at least $2.5 billion to help combat the spread of the coronavirus.

Febraury 25: HHS Secretary Azar testified before the Senate HELP committee on the Administration's coronavirus response efforts.

February 26: President Trump discussed coronavirus containment efforts with Indian PM Modi and updated the press on his Administration’s containment efforts in the U.S. during his state visit to India.

February 29: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) allowed certified labs to develop and begin testing coronavirus testing kits while reviewing pending applications.

February 29: The Trump Administration:

• Announced a level 4 travel advisory to areas of Italy and South Korea.
  
• Barred all travel to Iran.
  
• Barred the entry of foreign citizens who visited Iran in the last 14 days.

March 3: The CDC lifted federal restrictions on coronavirus testing to allow any American to be tested for coronavirus, “subject to doctor’s orders.”

March 3: The White House announced President Trump donated his fourth quarter salary to fight the coronavirus.

March 4: The Trump Administration announced the purchase of approximately 500 million N95 respirators over the next 18 months to respond to the outbreak of the novel coronavirus.

March 4: Secretary Azar announced that HHS was transferring $35 million to the CDC to help state and local communities that have been impacted most by the coronavirus.

March 6: President Trump signed an $8.3 billion bill to fight the coronavirus outbreak.

The bill provides $7.76 billion to federal, state, & local agencies to combat the coronavirus and authorizes an additional $500 million in waivers for Medicare telehealth restrictions.

March 9: President Trump called on Congress to pass a payroll tax cut over coronavirus.

March 10: President Trump and VP Pence met with top health insurance companies and secured a commitment to waive co-pays for coronavirus testing.

March 11: President Trump:

• Announced travel restrictions on foreigners who had visited Europe in the last 14 days.
  
• Directed the Small Business Administration to issue low-interest loans to affected small businesses and called on congress to increase this fund by $50 billion.
  
• Directed the Treasury Department to defer tax payments for affected individuals & businesses, & provide $200 billion in “additional liquidity.”
  
• Met with American bankers at the White House to discuss coronavirus.

March 13: President Trump declared a national emergency in order to access $42 billion in existing funds to combat the coronavirus.

March 13: President Trump announced:

• Public-private partnerships to open up drive-through testing collection sites.
  
• A pause on interest payments on federal student loans.
  
• An order to the Department of Energy to purchase oil for the strategic petroleum reserve.

March 13: The Food & Drug Administration:

• Granted Roche AG an emergency approval for automated coronavirus testing kits.
  
• Issued an emergency approval to Thermo Fisher for a coronavirus test within 24 hours of receiving the request.

March 13: HHS announced funding for the development of two new rapid diagnostic tests, which would be able to detect coronavirus in approximately 1 hour.

March 14: The Coronavirus Relief Bill passed the House of Representatives.

March 14: The Trump Administration announced the European travel ban will extend to the UK and Ireland.

March 15: President Trump held a phone call with over two dozen grocery store executives to discuss on-going demand for food and other supplies.

March 15: HHS announced it is projected to have 1.9 million COVID-19 tests available in 2,000 labs this week.

March 15: Google announced a partnership with the Trump Administration to develop a website dedicated to coronavirus education, prevention, & local resources.

March 15: All 50 states were contacted through FEMA to coordinate “federally-supported, state-led efforts” to end coronavirus.

March 16: President Trump:

• Held a tele-conference with governors to discuss coronavirus preparedness and response.
  
• Participated in a call with G7 leaders who committed to increasing coordination in response to the coronavirus and restoring global economic confidence.
  
• Announced that the first potential vaccine for coronavirus has entered a phase one trial in a record amount of time.
  
• Announced “15 days to slow the spread” coronavirus guidance.

March 16: The FDA announced it was empowering states to authorize tests developed and used by labs in their states.

March 16: Asst. Secretary for Health confirmed the availability of 1 million coronavirus tests, and projected 2 million tests available the next week and 5 million the following.

March 17: President Trump announced:

• CMS will expand telehealth benefits for Medicare beneficiaries.
  
• Relevant Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act penalties will not be enforced.
  
• The Army Corps of Engineers is on ”standby” to assist federal & state governments.

March 17: President Trump spoke to fast food executives from Wendy’s, McDonald’s and Burger King to discuss drive-thru services recommended by CDC

March 17: President Trump met with tourism industry representatives along with industrial supply, retail, and wholesale representatives.

March 17: Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin met with lawmakers to discuss stimulus measures to relieve the economic burden of coronavirus on certain industries, businesses, and American workers.

March 17: Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue announced a partnership between USDA, Baylor University, McLane Global, and Pepsi Co. to provide one million meals per weak to rural children in response to widespread school closures.

March 17: The Treasury Department:

• Contributed $10 billion through the economic stabilization fund to the Federal Reserve’s commercial paper funding facility.
  
• Deferred $300 billion in tax payments for 90 days without penalty, up to $1 million for individuals & $10 million for business.

March 17: The Department of Defense announced it will make available to HHS up to five million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators.

March 18: President Trump signed the Families First Coronavirus Response Act, which provides free testing and paid sick leave for workers impacted by the coronavirus.

March 18: President Trump announced:

• Temporary closure of the U.S.-Canada border to non-essential traffic.
  
• Plans to invoke the Defense Production Act in order to increase the number of necessary supplies needed to combat coronavirus.
  
• FEMA has been activated in every region at its highest level of response.
  
• The U.S. Navy will deploy USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy hospital ships.
  
• All foreclosures and evictions will be suspended for a period of time.

March 18: Secretary of Defense Mark Esper confirmed:

• 1 million masks are now immediately available.
  
• The Army Corps of Engineers is in NY consulting on how to best assist state officials.

March 18: HHS temporarily suspended a regulation that prevents doctors from practicing across state lines.

March 18: President Trump spoke to:

• Doctors, physicians, and nurses on the front lines containing the spread of coronavirus.
  
• 130 CEOs of the Business Roundtable to discuss on-going public-private partnerships in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

March 19: President Trump announced:

• Very encouraging progress shown by anti-malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine for fighting coronavirus.
  
• Carnival Cruise Lines will make ships available for use as hospitals in impacted areas to use for non-coronavirus patients.

March 19: Vice President Pence announced tens of thousands of ventilators have been identified that can be converted to treat patients.

March 19: The State Department issued a global level 4 health advisory, telling Americans to avoid all international travel due to coronavirus.

March 19: President Trump directed FEMA to take the lead on the Federal Government’s coronavirus response & visited FEMA HQ with Vice President Pence for a video call with Governors.

There, that's everything that took place by Trump and our health agencies to the date you mentioned, March 19th. Would you like to see a timeline of what the Democrats did?

 

[JoeB131]

Wait a minute, which election are you talking about? I was under the assumption you were speaking of 2016.

I can't be responsible for your inability to follow a discussion.

It was China's job to alert the world when they knew this thing was a potential problem. It was China's job to stop all international flights not only in and out of Wuhan, but the entire country. That was their job.

It was also their job to provide all data known to every country around the world. And it was their duty to explain how it happened.

Nope, it was Trump's job, and I noticed you avoided the posts where Trump PRAISED Xi for his transparency and cooperation.

Which medical establishment do you speak of? Dr. Fauci said it himself. Trump was acting on every suggestion he made. In fact, he acted on the advice of our bureaucracies that moves slower than molasses.

Guy, you can keep cutting and pasting this shit, but the reality- Trump did nothing until Mid-March of any real significance and he dragged his feet compared to other countries. It fell to the governors to take serious action.

Trump owns this disaster. Just like Bush owned Katrina.