We should have seen the writing on the wall ten years ago and got out then.

[Blues Man]

That cannot be proved...we busted up the alquada organization in afghanistan and forced them to flee to the tribal lands in N Pakistan where without the support of a nation state they were far less effective.

Who knows what other attacks they may have hatched and carried out if they had been able to stay in Afghanistan

U.S.-led attack on Afghanistan begins

We give them far too much credit.

And the taliban will welcome them back with open arms

 

[Crepitus]

The biden administration is totally fucked and will only get worse.

If we were going to get out Biden should have stuck to Trumps plan to do so ....if he was looking for 'cover' that would have given him the best.

Trump had a good plan to get out and if biden had not thrown it out....there would have been much less confusion and greater protection for our people and those who supported us.

In the coming days you will see lots of reports regarding how biden should have used Trumps plan.

Though I still do not think we should have gotten out.....Trump should not have advocated that.

The big question now: will the Taliban once again begin to invite in the Al-quada and other terrorist groups--I think that is a given.

Also China wants to get their people into Afghanistan which would be another problem.

tRump's plan was just to do it sooner. Would that have saved the Afghani government?

 

[Persuader]

tRump's plan was just to do it sooner. Would that have saved the Afghani government?

No....much more to it.

Trump slams Biden for not 'following the plan' he left on Afghanistan

Afghanistan will be seen as Joe Biden’s defeat. And it may come back to haunt him

 

[surada]

Sure you do...
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (CNN) -- In radio broadcasts and sermons, Taliban propagandists have been promoting themselves as Islamic Robin Hoods, defending Pakistan's rural poor.

Afghans Tell of Executions, Forced ‘Marriages’ in Taliban-Held Areas

Taliban leaders have pledged to be magnanimous in victory, but Afghans pouring into Kabul and still in Taliban-held areas say they have witnessed unprovoked attacks on civilians and executions of captured soldiers.

www.wsj.com

The Afghani Mafia is vicious and we have been supporting them for years.

 

[Crepitus]

No....much more to it.

Trump slams Biden for not 'following the plan' he left on Afghanistan

Yeah, I've already read that. The only difference was the date.

 

[Persuader]

The Afghani Mafia is vicious and we have been supporting them for years.

It was not the afghani mafia that declared war on us and attacked the WTC in N.Y. (twice)

Alquada is our enemy not the Afghans.

 

[Persuader]

Yeah, I've already read that. The only difference was the date.

Nonsense....bidens method has been a disaster as a result of his administrations incompetence.
Obviously you do not know what Trump's plan was.

Stay tuned, all this will be brought out in the next few days. Even cnn has turned against sloe joe.

“Shocking” – Even CNN Can’t Spin Biden’s Latest Disaster

Advertisement A Taliban takeover of Afghanistan didn’t take long under Biden Notice they didn’t mention that President Trump had negotiated a cease-fire that was holding and a peaceful withdrawal by May of this year. This violence is a result of IneptJoe deciding to stay longer just to get a...

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Media in America and Britain react to Afghanistan crisis

As the Taliban seized Kabul, a CNN columnist said the 'debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan' was a 'political disaster' for President Joe Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[surada]

It was not the afghani mafia that declared war on us and attacked the WTC in N.Y. (twice)

Alquada is our enemy not the Afghans.

Right. The problem in Afghanistan is the mafia and the warlords.

 

[Persuader]

Right. The problem in Afghanistan is the mafia and the warlords.

A problem no doubt and now you can add the taliban to that.

Perhaps the taliban will behave better this time around?

Not likely.

Afghan Women Fear Loss of Rights as Taliban Return to Power

 

[Crepitus]

Nonsense....bidens method has been a disaster as a result of his administrations incompetence.
Obviously you do not know what Trump's plan was.

Stay tuned, all this will be brought out in the next few days. Even cnn has turned against sloe joe.

“Shocking” – Even CNN Can’t Spin Biden’s Latest Disaster

Advertisement A Taliban takeover of Afghanistan didn’t take long under Biden Notice they didn’t mention that President Trump had negotiated a cease-fire that was holding and a peaceful withdrawal by May of this year. This violence is a result of IneptJoe deciding to stay longer just to get a...

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Media in America and Britain react to Afghanistan crisis

As the Taliban seized Kabul, a CNN columnist said the 'debacle of the US defeat and chaotic retreat in Afghanistan' was a 'political disaster' for President Joe Biden.

www.dailymail.co.uk

You don't know what tRumps plan was either. It's not in the linked piece. Only a date.

He may not have actually had one. Cheeto Jesus wasn't much of a planner.

 

[NoNukes]

There was NO Taliban in 1989 when the Soviets left. NO Taliban until 1994.

Ok let me reword it, Was Russia attacked after they left.

 

[surada]

Ok let me reword it, Was Russia attacked after they left.

The Saudis had revoked OBL's citizenship in 1994 so he hated the Saudis too. He wanted to punish the US and have them blame the Saudis.

 

[Flopper]

You are exactly right regarding all the nation building b.s. we got involved in. Just a huge waste of money and a misuse of our military personnel who should have stuck to hunting and killing the taliban.

Our casualty rate was low....still we might have been able to keep the taliban out by using fewer troops such as special forces along with more air power and lots of drones.

We occupied several countries after the end of WWII with no problems.

Occupying a muslim nation is more complex though and especially so when a lot of militant muslims live close by aka the tribal lands of Pakistan.

Allowing them safe haven in the tribal lands was our biggest mistake I am convinced.

Now admittedly I do not know how much we really needed Pakistan in the war on terrorism and of course the main reason we allowed the taliban safe haven in the tribal lands was to placate Pakistan.

Yet according to many reports I have read Pakistan played a double game--especially their intelligence agency.

Thus I think our need to placate Pakistan was over-rated.

Not to forget they also hosted Bin Laden.

What we really needed in Afghanistan was not a traditional military commander but someone more innovative and able to think outside the box....the type of people more associated with special ops.

Tommy Franks an Artillery General was probably our worst commander in Pakistan.

I think Trump listened to the Generals too much and he never had the best command structure in Afghanistan.

Also, though I have never even heard it mentioned as a possibilty of forming an alliance with India in regards to Afghanistan...it would have really pissed off Pakistan...the two countries being mortal enemies....However I think India would be a much better ally than Pakistan.....though as I said I really do not know all the facts of the conventional claim that Pakistan was essential to our war on terrorism....one thing for sure they gave us no help in Afghanistan and obviously gave a lot of help to the taliban.

I agree. IMHO, the US should never occupy a nation where the will to resist still exist. This is why the US occupation in at the end of WWII was successful.
Limited wars are rarely successful. From the time of the Roman Republic to modern times, limited warfare has usually not had the desired results. Back in 1950 the US entered the Korea war in defense of South Korea. and the North Korean China pack pulled China into the war. The war of course ended in a stalemate. US had 40,000 deaths while China lost just short of a million men. Following that war the two countries took very different military paths. The US entered a half dozen limited foreign wars and hundreds of military actions in foreign countries.. The Chinese were intent on never repeating a disaster such as Korea. In the war in Vietnam, the Chinese provided supplies, weapons, and infrastructure. When the war ended the US deaths exceeded 50,000 and Chinese deaths were just over 1,000. In the 50 years that followed the Chinese had border wars with relatively few casualties but rarely went further than a couple hundred miles from it's border.

 

[Flopper]

You are forgetting that the well armed Afghanistan Army of 300,000 should have replaced US troops in the fight, However the that the well armed Afghanistan Army of 300,000 wee nothing but cowards and threw down their weapons at the first sign of a fight,

The Taliban fighters were fighting for Allah and the Afghan army was fighting for a paycheck. When it was clear the US was really leaving along with 16% of the countries GDP, why should they fight? The government was corrupt and weak and the Taliban was strong and respected by the people and that included the military. 90% of the population in Afghanistan live on farms, in villages, and towns which strongly support the Taliban.

 

[Flopper]

tRump's plan was just to do it sooner. Would that have saved the Afghani government?

Nothing could save the Afghan government. It was corrupt and weak and the people knew it. We could have sent a hundred thousand troops into Afghanistan, and we would not have won the hearts and minds of the people. Yes, eventually we could have caught most of Taliban but the country would remain a militant Muslim fundamentalist nation that would produced more insurgents.

This does not mean there is strong support for the Taliban The population has chosen to support the Taliban rather than to resist You can't force people to fight for their rights and freedoms if they don't want to. The Americans equipped the Afghan army, but when the Americans left, many soldiers sold their equipment to the Taliban because they were dishearten by the departure and had no faith in the government. Many hoped to get some money back, but also to build future alliances with the Taliban.

If Kabul fell so quickly, as did the rest of the country, it is obviously that the resistance was limited at best. You don't take an entire country in just 20 days if the population and the army provides any real resistance. From now on, the Afghans will be alone in their fate. It will be up to them to decide what they want to do with their country in the future.

 

[Crepitus]

Nothing could save the Afghan government. It was corrupt and weak and the people knew it. We could have sent a hundred thousand troops into Afghanistan, and we would not have won the hearts and minds of the people. Yes, eventually we could have caught most of Taliban but the country would remain a militant Muslim fundamentalist nation that would produced more insurgents.

This does not mean there is strong support for the Taliban The population has chosen to support the Taliban rather than to resist You can't force people to fight for their rights and freedoms if they don't want to. The Americans equipped the Afghan army, but when the Americans left, many soldiers sold their equipment to the Taliban because they were dishearten by the departure and had no faith in the government. Many hoped to get some money back, but also to build future alliances with the Taliban.

If Kabul fell so quickly, as did the rest of the country, it is obviously that the resistance was limited at best. You don't take an entire country in just 20 days if the population and the army provides any real resistance. From now on, the Afghans will be alone in their fate. It will be up to them to decide what they want to do with their country in the future.

Absolutely.

Aftghan army is proof positive that you can't polish a turd.

 

[Flopper]

We should have never gone in. Maybe a couple special forces missions against Bin Laden, but no occupation of a whole nation. It's like we're retards who couldn't learn from Russia's past mistakes. We had the blueprint of what was going to happen. We went in blind without a realistic mission or end game.

For over 50 years, the United States is the only country on earth that still sends vast military forces to fight wars on other side of the world. Both Russia and China gave that shit up years ago.

 

[MizMolly]

Perhaps so. Total screw up by Biden nonetheless.

The biden administration is totally fucked and will only get worse.

If we were going to get out Biden should have stuck to Trumps plan to do so ....if he was looking for 'cover' that would have given him the best.

Trump had a good plan to get out and if biden had not thrown it out....there would have been much less confusion and greater protection for our people and those who supported us.

In the coming days you will see lots of reports regarding how biden should have used Trumps plan.

Though I still do not think we should have gotten out.....Trump should not have advocated that.

The big question now: will the Taliban once again begin to invite in the Al-quada and other terrorist groups--I think that is a given.

Also China wants to get their people into Afghanistan which would be another problem.

Biden followed Trumps plan.

For all those blaming Biden for pulling troops from Afghanistan, do your research. Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban agreeing to withdraw troops completely by May 2021.

From thehill.com:

History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban’s victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a “peace” deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed — the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable.

Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a “peace” deal since one of the parties currently at war — the Afghan government — was not a signatory. Rather, this was a “withdrawal” agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

 

[Persuader]

Biden followed Trumps plan.

For all those blaming Biden for pulling troops from Afghanistan, do your research. Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban agreeing to withdraw troops completely by May 2021.

From thehill.com:

History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban’s victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a “peace” deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed — the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable.

Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a “peace” deal since one of the parties currently at war — the Afghan government — was not a signatory. Rather, this was a “withdrawal” agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

Bull fuken shit......Biden threw Trumps deal out the window.

WATCH: Pompeo Nukes Biden In Response To Biden Trying To Blame Trump For Afghanistan Debacle

 

[MizMolly]

Bull fuken shit......Biden threw Trumps deal out the window.

WATCH: Pompeo Nukes Biden In Response To Biden Trying To Blame Trump For Afghanistan Debacle

Trumps agreement with the Taliban was to withdraw troops by May, 2021. Biden actually left them there longer.