We righties need to be prepared for a Trump loss

[LA RAM FAN]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is a vote against the globalists the fact he is not part of the corrupt two party system the bush’s,clintons,and Obama are.

 

[Flopper]

You have actually hit upon the crux of the problem. The war between Trump and the Media didn't start when he ran for president. Trump has been fighting with the media for over 20 years, particular the New York Times and various media personalities. When he ran for president it was just a continuation of battles that began long ago. Unlike previous candidates such as Bush and Obama who found they had better things to do than joust with reporters and media celebrate wantabes, Trump could never resist it. Thus it just grew and grew as Trump grew closer to the presidency. When president, every reporter in the liberal media wanted to join the party and get their names in the lights. And Trump tried to obliged them. Voters have caught on to this and know what Trump is doing which has nothing to do with his job as president. This is a problem that Trump created. Of course it is not really a problem for him. It's what he does and has been doing for many years. However as president he can't do battle with all of them so he simple labels them as lying media, the liberal media or fake news.

And why should he not? Since the day he took office, in spite of the best economy in nearly a half-century, the MSM did 93% negative reporting on anything he did. Again, Trump didn't draw first blood. He has every right to criticize them.

The MSM loved Trump so you can't fool me. Trump was actually a Democrat not long before running for President as a Republican. Until this day he has harsh words for GW and his father. He was part of the click as he was also an entertainer. During his campaign, he drew in a huge audience and the media adored him while he was running for the nomination. After he won the election, things turned sour overnight.

And why shouldn't he defend himself against attacks by the media? There is no reason why, Donald, Trump, citizen, business owner shouldn't. However when he entered the White House and became president, the game changed, he was no longer just a citizen and a wealthy real estate tycoon. He became the face of US to the world. What he says matters. When Donald Trump attacks a newspaper or TV, network for their statements about him, that attack is coming from the office of president. It is the president declaring the media is lying, spreading false news, can't be trusted, and that elections are rigged. Although these are just Trump's opinion, the American public and the world assumes that opinions expressed by a president are learned opinions, based on fact. Even after nearly 4 years of Trump, people still look to the president for the truth. Past presidents have always run most of their comments through staff, to makes sure they are factual and not subject to interpretation because they realize that comments by a president matter as does factual information.

Donald Trump's legacy will not be passing a tax cut to benefit the wealthy, tariff wars, immigration, or even his lack of leadership in fighting against corvid. His legacy is going to be that of the president who destroyed what remains of our trust in institutions that Americans have relied on, the media, the presidency, and our elections.

What a doofus as always,he is the first president to come out and tell it like it is that the msm media is fake news,so if he destroys the msm media,he will go down as being the president that made America free again.

Oh and his legacy is he can already claim he is the ONLY president to ever come out and tell it like it is that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit.that right there is a proud and great legacy to have.Not even our last great president jfk came out and said that. I now know I spoke the truth as well the fact Langley shill Toto hated this truthful post.

How would any know if Trump is really telling it the way it is when most of what he says contains lies, misinformation, and gross exaggerations?

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Part of the reason I think the polls may be way off is from looking at the RCP averages of Florida vs the USA as a whole:

If we look at Florida,
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Florida: Trump vs. Biden


And the US as a whole:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

We find that Florida and the US had very similar Trump/Biden totals, but over the last month the lead for Biden has all but disappeared in FL while it has stayed the same in the US.

The major difference is that pollsters have been factoring in the early voting data, and as they have done that, Biden's lead has essentially disappeared.

This is "The Model" colliding with reality.

Could the same be true for the US as a whole? we'll have to see. The error bars are far far higher than the modelers want to admit.... probably high enough to make their models useless.

I don't listen to the polls. I predicted this narrowing of numbers for months now because it happens every election. The Republican is always behind and catches up in the end. If anything, the polls should be swinging Biden's way with this new Covid surge.

People are getting tired of this Covid shit. They just want it to end.

Biden is running on a platform to shut more things down and even a stupid Federal requirement to wear a mask.

I suspect Biden lost votes by being a Covid Karen asshole.

Besides, nobody in their right mind would think that the post Covid economy would be better under this Biden clown than under Trump.

One thing is for sure Trump will never end covid by ignoring it, opposing preventive measures, and telling people they need to go back work.

The thing that will end a very contagious disease like Covid is a vaccine. We aren't going to fix it by having dumb things like another national shutdown. It sure as hell has not worked in Europe.

In the meantime Trump has mitigated the damage of the virus on a Federal basis by quickly shutting down the country to foreigners and to organize American business to provide testing and treatment and to develop the vaccine.

The death rate from the virus is actually very low now and the total number would not be that high if the Democrat leadership in several big cities hadn't made some serious mistakes several months ago.

Biden is appealing to the fear of the uneducated Moon Bats by blaming the virus on Trump but in reality it was caused by the same people that made his family rich.

When you really listen to what this dishonest Biden is saying about what he would do most of it Trump has already done.

Biden is a lying asshole. A dumb one at that. Only a fool would vote for him.
.

No the death rate for covid is not low, compared to the last 3 months. Over the last week in Oct, deaths topped a thousand a day and averaged nearly 900 a day. What is creating all the warnings from the medical community is the big increase in the number of cases in Oct and the hospitalizations. And no, the increase in cases and hospitalizations are not due to just more testing. Whenever hospitalization across the country go up, deaths follow. Since we just entered the season for increased respiratory infections, it is not likely that this trend will reverse itself anytime soon and we may see the deaths running over 2500 a day within a few months.

Yes, the vaccine is most likely going end the epidemic in the US but that will not happen anytime soon. A survey done last month revealed 50% of population is not eager to be vaccinated. They want to wait to see what happens when other get vaccinated. 20% said they would get vaccinated. Why this is of such concern is elimination of a virus requires a high percentage of vaccinations. Less than 50% may reduce transmission but it will still be with us. To really eliminated the virus we will need a participation rate nearing 70%, about 230 million people and that is not going happen over next 12 months due to Americans hesitancy to vaccinate and the hesitancy of drug companies to vaccinate tens of millions of people with a brand new vaccine. Most likely it will be the end of 2021 before we start to see major improvements. And that is only if things go very well with the vaccine. In most case new vaccines have problems. More people are going to be getting sick and dying and the only way to save lives is follow the CDC guidelines.

Recovery in the economy is going to be slow no matter who becomes president. I expect in 2022, many people are still going to wearing masks and avoiding crowds. There will still be travel restrictions between most countries because the rest of world will not be able to vaccinate as fast as the US. So don't expect a booming economy next year.

BTW Trump did not shutdown the country. The governors did that based on conditions in their state. Trump's contribution was basically

United States Coronavirus: 9,686,555 Cases and 238,570 Deaths - Worldometer verbal attacks telling the governors to open up businesses and schools even though the virus was raging.

There you go with your Bible length bs propaganda bullshit as always that the death rate for Covid is not low,expert whistleblowing doctors that have a conscience, have disproved your long winded babbles to be false,that the numbers are ten times inflated what they really are with hospitals taking payoffs if they rule a death from another cause as Covid,you idiots keep trolling ignoring that they are ruling practically every death as Covid from a fatal car accident to a gunshot wound to the head as dying from Covid jackass.don’t you ever get tired of having shit all over your face in embarrassment.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You have actually hit upon the crux of the problem. The war between Trump and the Media didn't start when he ran for president. Trump has been fighting with the media for over 20 years, particular the New York Times and various media personalities. When he ran for president it was just a continuation of battles that began long ago. Unlike previous candidates such as Bush and Obama who found they had better things to do than joust with reporters and media celebrate wantabes, Trump could never resist it. Thus it just grew and grew as Trump grew closer to the presidency. When president, every reporter in the liberal media wanted to join the party and get their names in the lights. And Trump tried to obliged them. Voters have caught on to this and know what Trump is doing which has nothing to do with his job as president. This is a problem that Trump created. Of course it is not really a problem for him. It's what he does and has been doing for many years. However as president he can't do battle with all of them so he simple labels them as lying media, the liberal media or fake news.

And why should he not? Since the day he took office, in spite of the best economy in nearly a half-century, the MSM did 93% negative reporting on anything he did. Again, Trump didn't draw first blood. He has every right to criticize them.

The MSM loved Trump so you can't fool me. Trump was actually a Democrat not long before running for President as a Republican. Until this day he has harsh words for GW and his father. He was part of the click as he was also an entertainer. During his campaign, he drew in a huge audience and the media adored him while he was running for the nomination. After he won the election, things turned sour overnight.

And why shouldn't he defend himself against attacks by the media? There is no reason why, Donald, Trump, citizen, business owner shouldn't. However when he entered the White House and became president, the game changed, he was no longer just a citizen and a wealthy real estate tycoon. He became the face of US to the world. What he says matters. When Donald Trump attacks a newspaper or TV, network for their statements about him, that attack is coming from the office of president. It is the president declaring the media is lying, spreading false news, can't be trusted, and that elections are rigged. Although these are just Trump's opinion, the American public and the world assumes that opinions expressed by a president are learned opinions, based on fact. Even after nearly 4 years of Trump, people still look to the president for the truth. Past presidents have always run most of their comments through staff, to makes sure they are factual and not subject to interpretation because they realize that comments by a president matter as does factual information.

Donald Trump's legacy will not be passing a tax cut to benefit the wealthy, tariff wars, immigration, or even his lack of leadership in fighting against corvid. His legacy is going to be that of the president who destroyed what remains of our trust in institutions that Americans have relied on, the media, the presidency, and our elections.

What a doofus as always,he is the first president to come out and tell it like it is that the msm media is fake news,so if he destroys the msm media,he will go down as being the president that made America free again.

Oh and his legacy is he can already claim he is the ONLY president to ever come out and tell it like it is that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit.that right there is a proud and great legacy to have.Not even our last great president jfk came out and said that. I now know I spoke the truth as well the fact Langley shill Toto hated this truthful post.

How would any know if Trump is really telling it the way it is when most of what he says contains lies, misinformation, and gross exaggerations?

Hey stupid ****,I haven known for over two decades now ever sense I became awake to how corrupt our government really is back then,how both parties are corrupt and one in the same that sense then,I have known for two DECADES now that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit, it’s something called being objective and doing research listening to professors in political science.as a result,I already knew that to be true, and already knew that the msm news is fake news and already knew that wars are always started so defense contracters can profit from them,Idid not need trump to tell me that you clown.

Lies,misinformation and gross exaggerations IS something YOU specialize in though as I just proved.

i cheered trump on to win the last election and pulled for hiim because anybody would be a better alternative than mass murderer hitlery.however I did not vote for him sense I had doubts about him that he was part of the corrupt two party system that the bush’s,clintons and Obama’s are all part of.however I could not have been more wrong.he is hated by even people in the gop party like bush and Romney because he is a RINO,not part of the corrupt two party system,he is not your typical gop globalist puppet warmonger like Romney and bush are and that’s the people in the gop that hate him clueless.

 

[Flopper]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

 

[eagle1462010]

Clearly. Listen, we'll be done with dumbfucks soon enough. Unfortunately, we'll be facing total control by a party that wants to drive us into a statist/corporatist/socialist hellhole. And we'll have precious little power to push back because Republicans decided to hitch their wagon to ******* game show host. Thanks for the shitshow - seeyabye.

bye...........to the one who will give us Biden and put them in power with your vote going to NOTHING.

Now.........I gave you the damned Science.......as you try your Social Warrior BS here.......and that is what it is.

Bull Shit...............

common cold to t Cells and the cells remember them for years .......decades even.........that is why people walk through this like it's nothing and they don't even know.......elderly ..........t Cells degrade with age.....and with conditions of Cancer or diabetes..............they are the ones who need REAL MASKS........NOT CLOTH bs MASKS WHICH ARE A JOKE.

That's right. I'm a meat cutter in a snobby grocery store. We never stopped working. Little by little as the fear waned, people just threw on any old rag instead of Grade-A surgical masks. A tiny smidgeon of people in our ranks got the virus and guess what...they all came back soon after and the rest of us were fine and so were they. The shit first hit the fan in my area in March. It's been like 8 months and we have seen very little trouble, even with all the laxness. So yeah....iit
s mostly BULL SHIT through and through, being exploited for political gain, almost totally by the democrats. It's also being used to give the government more financial control over the economy and more general control over our lives. That is mostly what all this is about. When we start to realize this and finally flush the imposters out of the CDC and various intelligence agencies which infiltrate and guide the media and mass perception, we will overcome the virus better than with a vaccine.

Exactly.

It's all about consolidating control.

Yep. And Republicans are handing it to them on a platter.

You by voting for people that can't ever win are doing it..............You are USELESS.....

 

[Flopper]

You have actually hit upon the crux of the problem. The war between Trump and the Media didn't start when he ran for president. Trump has been fighting with the media for over 20 years, particular the New York Times and various media personalities. When he ran for president it was just a continuation of battles that began long ago. Unlike previous candidates such as Bush and Obama who found they had better things to do than joust with reporters and media celebrate wantabes, Trump could never resist it. Thus it just grew and grew as Trump grew closer to the presidency. When president, every reporter in the liberal media wanted to join the party and get their names in the lights. And Trump tried to obliged them. Voters have caught on to this and know what Trump is doing which has nothing to do with his job as president. This is a problem that Trump created. Of course it is not really a problem for him. It's what he does and has been doing for many years. However as president he can't do battle with all of them so he simple labels them as lying media, the liberal media or fake news.

And why should he not? Since the day he took office, in spite of the best economy in nearly a half-century, the MSM did 93% negative reporting on anything he did. Again, Trump didn't draw first blood. He has every right to criticize them.

The MSM loved Trump so you can't fool me. Trump was actually a Democrat not long before running for President as a Republican. Until this day he has harsh words for GW and his father. He was part of the click as he was also an entertainer. During his campaign, he drew in a huge audience and the media adored him while he was running for the nomination. After he won the election, things turned sour overnight.

And why shouldn't he defend himself against attacks by the media? There is no reason why, Donald, Trump, citizen, business owner shouldn't. However when he entered the White House and became president, the game changed, he was no longer just a citizen and a wealthy real estate tycoon. He became the face of US to the world. What he says matters. When Donald Trump attacks a newspaper or TV, network for their statements about him, that attack is coming from the office of president. It is the president declaring the media is lying, spreading false news, can't be trusted, and that elections are rigged. Although these are just Trump's opinion, the American public and the world assumes that opinions expressed by a president are learned opinions, based on fact. Even after nearly 4 years of Trump, people still look to the president for the truth. Past presidents have always run most of their comments through staff, to makes sure they are factual and not subject to interpretation because they realize that comments by a president matter as does factual information.

Donald Trump's legacy will not be passing a tax cut to benefit the wealthy, tariff wars, immigration, or even his lack of leadership in fighting against corvid. His legacy is going to be that of the president who destroyed what remains of our trust in institutions that Americans have relied on, the media, the presidency, and our elections.

What a doofus as always,he is the first president to come out and tell it like it is that the msm media is fake news,so if he destroys the msm media,he will go down as being the president that made America free again.

Oh and his legacy is he can already claim he is the ONLY president to ever come out and tell it like it is that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit.that right there is a proud and great legacy to have.Not even our last great president jfk came out and said that. I now know I spoke the truth as well the fact Langley shill Toto hated this truthful post.

How would any know if Trump is really telling it the way it is when most of what he says contains lies, misinformation, and gross exaggerations?

Hey stupid ****,I haven known for over two decades now ever sense I became awake to how corrupt our government really is back then,how both parties are corrupt and one in the same that sense then,I have known for two DECADES now that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit, it’s something called being objective and doing research listening to professors in political science.as a result,I already knew that to be true, and already knew that the msm news is fake news,I did not need trump to tell me that you clown.

that is it lies,misinformation and gross exaggerations liar,that IS something YOU specialize in though as I just proved.

The only thing you proved is you don't know how to refute and argument.

 

[Flopper]

Smart Kid

 

[eagle1462010]

There are markers in blood and sputum samples that would indicate covid. Also antibody test would show elevated levels plus the standard corvid tests. If the patients medical records show these tests are negative, the patient does not have covid. Keep in mind having a diagnosis of Covid or Colon Cancer is not sufficient to list it as a cause of death. Each of these diseases have very different chains of events resulting in death.

Covid-19 deaths will have major lung damage and the most common immediate cause of death will be repertory failure or coronary thrombosis.

When they called my cousin and told him his father tested positive, he responded that it was not possible because nobody in the household had any symptoms. Then they changed their story to his father was asymptomatic. Okay, asymptomatic means you don't even know you have it, and won't give you any complications. So why did his death certificate read it was a Covid death?

Look, bottom line is that hospitals are not listing the death as COVID if the patient didn't have freaking COVID. Numbers are NOT being over reported, in fact experts say that numbers are UNDER reported. You don't have to have symptoms to have the virus and those are the ones that are most likely to spread it. Your uncle, while careful, did have contact with other people as well as items that may have contained the virus.

People are dying every day by the hundreds OF THIS VIRUS. Wear the mask, wash your hands, stay home whenever you can and we CAN get past this. It's going to take new (actual) leadership and not abdication, but we can and will beat this virus. (actually beat it, not declare victory while a thousand people a day die)

Nah, not really though.

Beating the virus today simple means reducing hospitalizations and saving lives. There was a narrow window back in early March when we had only a few cases in which testing/contact tracing/quarantining could have made a huge difference. However, at that time the Trump administration's testing was inaccurate and very limited. There was no plan for containing the epidemic and the president was downplaying it's importance. Within a month there was no chance of stopping the virus. From that point on, the only option was mitigation, hopping people would follow the CDC guidelines and lockdowns to make sure hospitals were able to meet the needs of the community.

You’re wrong. No one knew how severe this was. Stop blaming Trump, the entire world is on fire. Hospital were never overrun. This kills the old and feeble. Such is life.

Yes, the president did know how severe this was in Jan, Feb, and March and he lied to American people and did every thing in his power to downplay it, ignore it, and oppose measures to impede it. To Trump, the virus was an existential threat to his re-election so he tried to deny it and downplay it and ended up in a battle against the the US healthcare authorities.

Trump certainly knew about. His intelligence people were briefing him weakly. All reports from China and the WHO indicated a major new virus. His medical advisors were warning him and he did nothing to prepare the country.

The WHO Outbreak News published on Jan 5th contained a risk assessment.
On Jan 10, the WHO issued a warning an immediate preparations that should be taken.
China published the genetic sequence on Jan 12th.
On Jan. 14th, WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases).
On Jan. 13th, 14th, and 15th, the first cases outside of China were discovered in Japan, South Korea, and China.
On Jan 20th, the first confirmed cases outside of China was confirmed
On Jan 22, the WHO issued a statement saying that there was evidence of human-to-human transmission in Wuhan.
On Jan 30th, the WHO Emergency Committee, issued a Public Health Emergency of International Warning.
On Feb 3rd, the WHO releases the international community's Strategic Preparedness and Response Plan to help protect states
On Feb 16th Deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction, WHO met with over 400 representatives around the world to discuss the seriousness of the virus
On February 28, Donald Trump announced that the virus was just the Flu and that democrat warning were just a hoax.
On February 28th the first outbreak in the US was reported.
On March 1st Donald Trump announced the virus was under control.
As of Oct, 28th there are have been over 9 million cases in the US and 235,000 deaths

COVID Live Update: 261,475,525 Cases and 5,215,099 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Archived: WHO Timeline - COVID-19

31 Dec 2019China reported a cluster of cases of in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.1 January 2020WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level...

www.who.int

A Timeline of the Coronavirus Pandemic

The outbreak of the virus, which began in Wuhan, China, has sickened more than 14.7 million people. At least 610,200 people have died.

www.nytimes.com

WTF with your super long fake news posts. No one knew!!! We still don’t know. Tell me how long the antibodies last. Let’s test your theory. Again, be concise, be relevant. We never should have shut down.

We have never know as much about a new virus as we now know about coronavirus. To limit transmission, we do not need to know how long immunity last after recovery. Masks, social distancing, and quarantining reduce transmission of coronavirus just as it has reduced transmission of other airborne viruses.

Shutting down businesses and schools are necessary when ICU's start reaching capacity. Many ICU's across the country are approaching full capacity and the season for airborne respiratory viruses is just starting. I believe before the end of year we will see shutdowns in many major cities as ICU's fill up.

Nothing you said is factual. Zero. ICUs aren’t at capacity. 99.97% survival rate. Why do you lie so much? Why do you hate our country and our children. My kids are tired of zoom schooling.

The **** they aren't.

Maury Regional Medical Center ICU beds reach capacity

Maury Regional Health told News 2 Friday afternoon it has reached its capacity for ICU beds.

www.wkrn.com

As the crush of COVID cases continues, Wisconsin is on track to run short of ICU beds in two to six weeks

On Tuesday, when the state reported a record 5,200 people tested positive, only 187 of the state's 1,469 intensive care unit beds were available.

www.jsonline.com

‘Overwhelmed’: Hospitals engulfed by rebounding virus

The pandemic is spawning new infections at a rate not seen since the end of July.

www.politico.com

Christ, will you people stop being so ******* stupid...(That was rhetorical because I know you can't)

Don’t trust fake news. Nice try though. You’re such an angry leftist.

Pathetically lame. Hospitals ARE being overwhelmed. We are BREAKING our healthcare workers and system. We get it, you don't care. "Survival of the fittest", right asshole?

Hospitals overwhelmed: Exhausted staffs, surging COVID-19 cases push nation's limits

The worsening COVID-19 outbreak, fueled by Americans' fatigue, means hospitals are scrambling for more doctors, nurses and therapists to fill shifts.

www.usatoday.com

Really? Cause they cried the same bullshit this summer. Not one patient has not received a ventilator not one. You are many things, none good but gullible isn’t one of them or so I thought...it’s fake news.

You can't know that. Patients died in hallways in emergency rooms. The pandemic is now hitting small, rural areas that don't have the resources of a big city like NY or LA.

But we get it, you don't care. **** those 230,000 "weaklings", right?

That never happened. They sent a navy ship and built out the Javits Center. All for naught. Average age of death is 78 while normally the average age of death is 78.8. Spare me your fake news. I ve Had it. Not that lethal. Flu is way worse. When you get it, if you get it, then you may opine. Otherwise you’re just guessing along with the fake news.

It did happen. 13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital

Elmhurst, a 545-bed public hospital in Queens, has begun transferring patients not suffering from coronavirus to other hospitals as it moves toward becoming dedicated entirely to the outbreak. Doctors and nurses have struggled to make do with a few dozen ventilators. Calls over a loudspeaker of “Team 700,” the code for when a patient is on the verge of death, come several times a shift. Some have died inside the emergency room while waiting for a bed.​

Repeating the "average age" of those that died does not make you less of an asshole for repeatedly saying "they were weak". Flu is not "way worse" by a longshot. How can you still be so ignorant? (Rhetorical)

Hmmmm...NYC run by a Democrat mayor and Governor but let’s blame Trump. And what was the date please? Oh late March 2020. LOL

Got anything recent? We all know Cuomo and Big Birdio messed up badly. Did you also know that 60mil were infected with the H1N1? Luckily it wasn’t quite as deadly to the feeble.

Really lame deflection. The states currently being ravaged are not "Democratic states".

YOU said it didn't happen, that it was "fake news" so when proven astronomically wrong you want to change the subject. Just pathetic.

The virus is ravaging the United States, dickwad, not red or blue states.

As the crush of COVID cases continues, Wisconsin is on track to run short of ICU beds in two to six weeks

On Tuesday, when the state reported a record 5,200 people tested positive, only 187 of the state's 1,469 intensive care unit beds were available.

www.jsonline.com

Internal Documents Reveal COVID-19 Hospitalization Data The Government Keeps Hidden

Where are hospitals reaching capacity? Which metro areas are running out of beds? NPR has learned federal agencies collect and analyze this information in detail but don't share it with the public.

www.npr.org

Maury Regional Medical Center ICU beds reach capacity

Maury Regional Health told News 2 Friday afternoon it has reached its capacity for ICU beds.

www.wkrn.com

No they aren't. The media is scaring you once more. Wisconsin is a red state now? OK. NPR is Leftist. Again, ICU beds are always at capacity, the difference is who gets em. If COVID patients take over then other patients cannot get in but very few with COVID need to be hospitalized. I speak from experience with all due respect, you speak from reading fake news.

well said, witchey is a left wing drone, unable to think for herself and a willing sheep to her left wing masters.

Speaking of left wing drones, I'm watching Jake Tapper (CNN) and the required hysterical fat woman said we shouldn't ignore the possibility of a huge wave of Trump voters on Tuesday. She's either facing her greatest fears or reality.

IMHO, it's fear, not reality. There is some evidence that many Trump voters will wait to election day to vote but this not a normal election nor is there a lot of evidence of this. People on both sides, particular older adults, are very apprehensive about going to the polls or anyplace that may have large crowds. I believe that most of the people that are going to vote on Tue are people that are either undecided or not strongly committed to either candidate.

I was going to vote early but I didn't get around to it, so now I have to go on election day.
And worry about psycho leftists doing drive-bys to try and disrupt the voting process.

Don't worry you'll likely have lots armed Trump wackos there to keep those lefties away from the polls.

Trump supporters are too damn busy working for a living to have time for that........that is your tribe who are living in mommies basement or sucking on the Gov't tits.....

Besides your side has used Covid to mail in the dang vote.........too dang lazy to vote in person........saying WE ARE SCARED......but not too scared to fill up to baskets at Wally World......not scared then.......or when they are burning cities and stealing shit.

 

[Flash]

Part of the reason I think the polls may be way off is from looking at the RCP averages of Florida vs the USA as a whole:

If we look at Florida,
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Florida: Trump vs. Biden


And the US as a whole:
RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Biden

We find that Florida and the US had very similar Trump/Biden totals, but over the last month the lead for Biden has all but disappeared in FL while it has stayed the same in the US.

The major difference is that pollsters have been factoring in the early voting data, and as they have done that, Biden's lead has essentially disappeared.

This is "The Model" colliding with reality.

Could the same be true for the US as a whole? we'll have to see. The error bars are far far higher than the modelers want to admit.... probably high enough to make their models useless.

I don't listen to the polls. I predicted this narrowing of numbers for months now because it happens every election. The Republican is always behind and catches up in the end. If anything, the polls should be swinging Biden's way with this new Covid surge.

People are getting tired of this Covid shit. They just want it to end.

Biden is running on a platform to shut more things down and even a stupid Federal requirement to wear a mask.

I suspect Biden lost votes by being a Covid Karen asshole.

Besides, nobody in their right mind would think that the post Covid economy would be better under this Biden clown than under Trump.

One thing is for sure Trump will never end covid by ignoring it, opposing preventive measures, and telling people they need to go back work.

The thing that will end a very contagious disease like Covid is a vaccine. We aren't going to fix it by having dumb things like another national shutdown. It sure as hell has not worked in Europe.

In the meantime Trump has mitigated the damage of the virus on a Federal basis by quickly shutting down the country to foreigners and to organize American business to provide testing and treatment and to develop the vaccine.

The death rate from the virus is actually very low now and the total number would not be that high if the Democrat leadership in several big cities hadn't made some serious mistakes several months ago.

Biden is appealing to the fear of the uneducated Moon Bats by blaming the virus on Trump but in reality it was caused by the same people that made his family rich.

When you really listen to what this dishonest Biden is saying about what he would do most of it Trump has already done.

Biden is a lying asshole. A dumb one at that. Only a fool would vote for him.
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No the death rate for covid is not low, compared to the last 3 months. Over the last week in Oct, deaths topped a thousand a day and averaged nearly 900 a day. What is creating all the warnings from the medical community is the big increase in the number of cases in Oct and the hospitalizations. And no, the increase in cases and hospitalizations are not due to just more testing. Whenever hospitalization across the country go up, deaths follow. Since we just entered the season for increased respiratory infections, it is no likely that this trend will reverse itself anytime soon and we may see the deaths running over 2500 a day within a few months.

Yes, the vaccine is most likely going to end the epidemic in the US but that will not happen anytime soon. A survey done last month revealed 50% of the population is not eager to be vaccinated. They want to wait to see what happens when other get vaccinated. 20% said they would not get vaccinated. Why this is of such concern is elimination of a virus requires a high percentage of vaccinations. Less than 50% may reduce transmission but it will still be with us. To really eliminated the virus we will need a participation rate nearing 70%, about 230 million people and that is not going happen over next 12 months due to Americans hesitancy to vaccinate and the hesitancy of drug companies to vaccinate tens of millions of people with a brand new vaccine. Most likely it will be the end of 2021 before we start to see major improvements. And that is only if things go very well with the vaccine. In most case new vaccines have problems. More people are going to be getting sick and dying and the only way to save lives is follow the CDC guidelines.

Recovery in the economy is going to be slow no matter who becomes president. I expect in 2022, many people are still going to be wearing masks and avoiding crowds. There will still be travel restrictions between most countries because the rest of world will not be able to vaccinate as fast as the US. So don't expect a booming economy next year and probably not in 2022.

BTW Trump did not shutdown the country. The governors did that based on conditions in their state. Trump's contribution was basically verbal attacks telling the governors to open up businesses and schools even though the virus was raging.

United States Coronavirus: 9,686,555 Cases and 238,570 Deaths - Worldometer

Every year about 2.8million Americans die. We are on track for close to the same number this year. 2.1 million at the end of September.

The Democrats killed a shitload of old people in the big cities. Up to 40% of the total deaths.

Trump made a lot of good decisions that prevented many deaths and set up the path for cures and the vaccine.

If you want to blame any body blame the Democrat's mismanagement and Biden's Chicom buddies.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You have actually hit upon the crux of the problem. The war between Trump and the Media didn't start when he ran for president. Trump has been fighting with the media for over 20 years, particular the New York Times and various media personalities. When he ran for president it was just a continuation of battles that began long ago. Unlike previous candidates such as Bush and Obama who found they had better things to do than joust with reporters and media celebrate wantabes, Trump could never resist it. Thus it just grew and grew as Trump grew closer to the presidency. When president, every reporter in the liberal media wanted to join the party and get their names in the lights. And Trump tried to obliged them. Voters have caught on to this and know what Trump is doing which has nothing to do with his job as president. This is a problem that Trump created. Of course it is not really a problem for him. It's what he does and has been doing for many years. However as president he can't do battle with all of them so he simple labels them as lying media, the liberal media or fake news.

And why should he not? Since the day he took office, in spite of the best economy in nearly a half-century, the MSM did 93% negative reporting on anything he did. Again, Trump didn't draw first blood. He has every right to criticize them.

The MSM loved Trump so you can't fool me. Trump was actually a Democrat not long before running for President as a Republican. Until this day he has harsh words for GW and his father. He was part of the click as he was also an entertainer. During his campaign, he drew in a huge audience and the media adored him while he was running for the nomination. After he won the election, things turned sour overnight.

And why shouldn't he defend himself against attacks by the media? There is no reason why, Donald, Trump, citizen, business owner shouldn't. However when he entered the White House and became president, the game changed, he was no longer just a citizen and a wealthy real estate tycoon. He became the face of US to the world. What he says matters. When Donald Trump attacks a newspaper or TV, network for their statements about him, that attack is coming from the office of president. It is the president declaring the media is lying, spreading false news, can't be trusted, and that elections are rigged. Although these are just Trump's opinion, the American public and the world assumes that opinions expressed by a president are learned opinions, based on fact. Even after nearly 4 years of Trump, people still look to the president for the truth. Past presidents have always run most of their comments through staff, to makes sure they are factual and not subject to interpretation because they realize that comments by a president matter as does factual information.

Donald Trump's legacy will not be passing a tax cut to benefit the wealthy, tariff wars, immigration, or even his lack of leadership in fighting against corvid. His legacy is going to be that of the president who destroyed what remains of our trust in institutions that Americans have relied on, the media, the presidency, and our elections.

What a doofus as always,he is the first president to come out and tell it like it is that the msm media is fake news,so if he destroys the msm media,he will go down as being the president that made America free again.

Oh and his legacy is he can already claim he is the ONLY president to ever come out and tell it like it is that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit.that right there is a proud and great legacy to have.Not even our last great president jfk came out and said that. I now know I spoke the truth as well the fact Langley shill Toto hated this truthful post.

How would any know if Trump is really telling it the way it is when most of what he says contains lies, misinformation, and gross exaggerations?

Hey stupid ****,I haven known for over two decades now ever sense I became awake to how corrupt our government really is back then,how both parties are corrupt and one in the same that sense then,I have known for two DECADES now that wars are always started so the defense contracters can profit, it’s something called being objective and doing research listening to professors in political science.as a result,I already knew that to be true, and already knew that the msm news is fake news,I did not need trump to tell me that you clown.

that is it lies,misinformation and gross exaggerations liar,that IS something YOU specialize in though as I just proved.

The only thing you proved is you don't know how to refute and argument.

Coming from someone who failed to address any of the points I just posted in my third and fourth posts on this page thst took you to school,,I guess you would know.

 

[eagle1462010]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Smart Kid

Yeah and according to sick ***** like you,a grown up man who beat up a kid for holding a trump sign is a smart man as well.

 

[freyasman]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

The reason he doesn't draw big crowds is that most decent people don't like to see dementia patients being abused by their caretakers. It's cringe-worthy.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

The reason he doesn't draw big crowds is that most decent people don't like to see dementia patients being abused by their caretakers. It's cringe-worthy.

I imagine he'll get a big crowd..at his inauguration!

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

You expose what a liar you are as always.lol Biden in one of his

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

You are so much grasping at straws.
As always,you have exposed yourself as the lying troll you are.
Biden follows local rules? Biden and fauci.both showed their hypocrisy and proved they know the virus is a hoax as well.lol

fauci after giving a speech wearing a mask the entire time,after finishing the speech thinking the film had stopped rolling,took his mask off.

Biden in a debate with cooper Anderson,really exposed his hypocrisy.while the film was rolling.the audience of course saw them following social distance e guidelines,during commercial break however,having no clue the cameras were still rolling,they went over and shook hands.following guildlines my ass.if that is not hypocrisy I don’t know what is.

 

[dblack]

Clearly. Listen, we'll be done with dumbfucks soon enough. Unfortunately, we'll be facing total control by a party that wants to drive us into a statist/corporatist/socialist hellhole. And we'll have precious little power to push back because Republicans decided to hitch their wagon to ******* game show host. Thanks for the shitshow - seeyabye.

bye...........to the one who will give us Biden and put them in power with your vote going to NOTHING.

Now.........I gave you the damned Science.......as you try your Social Warrior BS here.......and that is what it is.

Bull Shit...............

common cold to t Cells and the cells remember them for years .......decades even.........that is why people walk through this like it's nothing and they don't even know.......elderly ..........t Cells degrade with age.....and with conditions of Cancer or diabetes..............they are the ones who need REAL MASKS........NOT CLOTH bs MASKS WHICH ARE A JOKE.

That's right. I'm a meat cutter in a snobby grocery store. We never stopped working. Little by little as the fear waned, people just threw on any old rag instead of Grade-A surgical masks. A tiny smidgeon of people in our ranks got the virus and guess what...they all came back soon after and the rest of us were fine and so were they. The shit first hit the fan in my area in March. It's been like 8 months and we have seen very little trouble, even with all the laxness. So yeah....iit
s mostly BULL SHIT through and through, being exploited for political gain, almost totally by the democrats. It's also being used to give the government more financial control over the economy and more general control over our lives. That is mostly what all this is about. When we start to realize this and finally flush the imposters out of the CDC and various intelligence agencies which infiltrate and guide the media and mass perception, we will overcome the virus better than with a vaccine.

Exactly.

It's all about consolidating control.

Yep. And Republicans are handing it to them on a platter.

You by voting for people that can't ever win are doing it..............You are USELESS.....

- by your accounting I spose. I'm quite glad of that.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

The reason he doesn't draw big crowds is that most decent people don't like to see dementia patients being abused by their caretakers. It's cringe-worthy.

Plus the main reason more so than any is because he went along with everything that warmonger Obama did,a huge portion of blacks are voting for trump because they feel betrayed by obomination after he lied to them on reversing bush’s policys on the Middle East war and his dreconian patriot act allowing the NSA to illegally spy on us,he not only continued traiter bush’s policys,but expanded them as well so they saw he was no differerent than bush.

 

[freyasman]

The reason trump is so popular and draws huge crowds unlike Biden’s handful or so is he resonates with people,they know a vote for trump is

The reason Biden does not draw large crowd is he follows local rules and CDC guidelines to save lives. Trump of course has no problem ignoring them for a good cause which of course is winning votes which has pretty much been the Trump plan since last March, ignore the virus and get elected.

The reason he doesn't draw big crowds is that most decent people don't like to see dementia patients being abused by their caretakers. It's cringe-worthy.

I imagine he'll get a big crowd..at his inauguration!

Hey maybe..... I got a feeling as soon as Trump is out, there won't be anymore wailing and teeth-gnashing about the 'rona.

 

[Flopper]

And why shouldn't he defend himself against attacks by the media? There is no reason why, Donald, Trump, citizen, business owner shouldn't. However when he entered the White House and became president, the game changed, he was no longer just a citizen and a wealthy real estate tycoon. He became the face of US to the world. What he says matters. When Donald Trump attacks a newspaper or TV, network for their statements about him, that attack is coming from the office of president. It is the president declaring the media is lying, spreading false news, can't be trusted, and that elections are rigged. Although these are just Trump's opinion, the American public and the world assumes that opinions expressed by a president are learned opinions, based on fact. Even after nearly 4 years of Trump, people still look to the president for the truth. Past presidents have always run most of their comments through staff, to makes sure they are factual and not subject to interpretation because they realize that comments by a president matter as does factual information.

Donald Trump's legacy will not be passing a tax cut to benefit the wealthy, tariff wars, immigration, or even his lack of leadership in fighting against corvid. His legacy is going to be that of the president who destroyed what remains of our trust in institutions that Americans have relied on, the media, the presidency, and our elections.

That's just the way the left sees it. We see it entirely differently. As for the media, if Trump was a Democrat, they would praise him up and down like they do with all Democrats, because the media is nothing more than an extension of the Democrat party.

I didn't know I was wealthy because I too got a tax cut, and my CPA told me so when she did my taxes. That's not to mention no more Commie Care fines also thanks to our President. As for the virus, the President did just fine and still is. There is no way to control a virus and destroying our country to do so is just ridiculous, and probably something Hillary would have done had she won. Immigration is the best it's ever been. Trump made several policies that took care of that problem, or reduced it by quite a bit. He's still doing it today with the construction of walls all across that southern border where most of our heroin comes from.

Yes, the President has stated the media are liars, spread false news, and and can't be trusted. We've known that for years, but only until Trump was elected did somebody have the balls to actually say that. Everybody else cowers in the corner when the media lies about them. It's refreshing to be quite honest.

Destruction of American institutions like the free press, democratic elections. congress, and the presidency didn't start with Trump but he sure gave it a hell of a boost.

Have you every ask yourself what would will happen if people like Trump convince all Americans that the news media is corrupt, lies, spreads false news, and creates fake news. Let me give you a hint. Take a look at the history of these goverment run news agencies and how and why they came into being:
Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment
Pravda
Xinhua

When government is able to convince the people, that a free independent news media can not be trusted, a state run news service will be in our future. Four more years of presidential rhetoric about false news and a crooked lying media may just be enough to convince most Americans that he's right. If the News media can not be trusted then replacing it is a logical conclusion.

Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda - Wikipedia

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Xinhua News Agency - Wikipedia

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Pravda - Wikipedia

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