We’re number 37! USA USA USA!!

[Diuretic]

"but why do people from other country's come here for health care".....simple answer...THEY ARE RICH AND CAN AFFORD IT. Whenever the idiots say this, just remind them, no one is disputing the care our doctors give, we are saying everyone should have access to it, not just the rich.

Right. Obviously it's a lot easier to say "everyone should have access" than actually figuring out a sustainable model for that. Quite simply, it's not possible while maintaining the level of care. If you're willing to considerably sacrifice the quality of care, then we could get everyone insured.

If the principle "everyone should have access" could be agreed then the focus would be on working out a sustainable model, as you say. But it seems as though the forces of opposition are marshalled against that very principle being considered in the first place.

 

[Diuretic]

Education is not a right the state owes the citizen, it is a duty of a good citizen to acquire one for the security of the state. It is sort of like jury duty.

Housing and health care are your responsibility. I do not have a right to your paycheck. Much as I would like it.

At the risk of going off topic, I have to ask what you think is the purpose of education?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Dave, I think the problem lies in the fact that we treat things like health care, education, housing, etc. as "rights."

THAT I believe is one of the roots, if not THE root, of the wrongful approaches to issues such as health care, education, housing, and the like.

If they're not rights then they must be privlleges. Are you okay with that?

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that anyone thinks things like health care, education, and housing AREN'T basic human rights.

If anybody is being denied health care, then that is wrong. Preventative health care is simply a matter of budgeting for it. What's more important to people: cable and internet service or health care?

 

[jillian]

If they're not rights then they must be privlleges. Are you okay with that?

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that anyone thinks things like health care, education, and housing AREN'T basic human rights.

If anybody is being denied health care, then that is wrong. Preventative health care is simply a matter of budgeting for it. What's more important to people: cable and internet service or health care?

Again, why aren't you following? FIFTY PERCENT OF BANKRUPTCIES ARE THE RESULT OF UNANTICIPATED HEALTH EXPENSES.

That isn't resolved by "BUDGETING".

 

[AvgGuyIA]

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that anyone thinks things like health care, education, and housing AREN'T basic human rights.

If anybody is being denied health care, then that is wrong. Preventative health care is simply a matter of budgeting for it. What's more important to people: cable and internet service or health care?

Again, why aren't you following? FIFTY PERCENT OF BANKRUPTCIES ARE THE RESULT OF UNANTICIPATED HEALTH EXPENSES.

That isn't resolved by "BUDGETING".

Phffff. People nowadays consider a bankruptcy a badge of honor. No longer is there shame associated to it.

 

[jillian]

If anybody is being denied health care, then that is wrong. Preventative health care is simply a matter of budgeting for it. What's more important to people: cable and internet service or health care?

Again, why aren't you following? FIFTY PERCENT OF BANKRUPTCIES ARE THE RESULT OF UNANTICIPATED HEALTH EXPENSES.

That isn't resolved by "BUDGETING".

Phffff. People nowadays consider a bankruptcy a badge of honor. No longer is there shame associated to it.

I'm thinking you don't really know what you're talking about. The changes made in the bankruptcy laws during the last administration pretty much made sure that most people aren't eligible.

I have a feeling you're very young. I hope neither you nor anyone you love ever gets sick. Your awakening to reality will be quite shocking.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Looks like I am on ignore. ;^_^;

It is your responsibility for those you care for to get a job and maintain insurance.

Those who make it hard for folks to get a job by all kinds of idiotic government taxes rules, and confusion are who you should be yelling at.

Make it so folks can get jobs and get decent insurance that handles the issue, rather than going off and impeding job creation make making all kinds of weird mandates that are useless and expensive that prevent folks from getting decent coverage at a reasonable price are more of a problem than trying to rip off doctors and shaft hospitals through price controls and other scams that reduce the quality and availability of care.

 

[jillian]

Looks like I am on ignore. ;^_^;

It is your responsibility for those you care for to get a job and maintain insurance.

Those who make it hard for folks to get a job by all kinds of idiotic government taxes rules, and confusion are who you should be yelling at.

Make it so folks can get jobs and get decent insurance that handles the issue, rather than going off and impeding job creation make making all kinds of weird mandates that are useless and expensive that prevent folks from getting decent coverage at a reasonable price are more of a problem than trying to rip off doctors and shaft hospitals through price controls and other scams that reduce the quality and availability of care.

Dee responded to you, no?

I think you're all over the place on this issue and the things you see as 'fixes' aren't.

I think you're ignoring the things that are really serious issues.

You're still a sweetheart, though.

 

[Diuretic]

Looks like I am on ignore. ;^_^;

It is your responsibility for those you care for to get a job and maintain insurance.

Those who make it hard for folks to get a job by all kinds of idiotic government taxes rules, and confusion are who you should be yelling at.

Make it so folks can get jobs and get decent insurance that handles the issue, rather than going off and impeding job creation make making all kinds of weird mandates that are useless and expensive that prevent folks from getting decent coverage at a reasonable price are more of a problem than trying to rip off doctors and shaft hospitals through price controls and other scams that reduce the quality and availability of care.

It is your responsibility for those you care for to get a job and maintain insurance.

That's an interesting take on it but it's also dodging the issue a bit. If health care were free then the responsibility would still be there, but the responsibility would be to avail oneself of it.

 

[CMike]

Dave, I think the problem lies in the fact that we treat things like health care, education, housing, etc. as "rights."

THAT I believe is one of the roots, if not THE root, of the wrongful approaches to issues such as health care, education, housing, and the like.

If they're not rights then they must be privlleges. Are you okay with that?

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that anyone thinks things like health care, education, and housing AREN'T basic human rights.

No they aren't.

Where in the constitution is there are right for housing?

 

[CMike]

I'm askin. If it is true and we are shitty number 37, why would anybody who is well off financially not go elesewhere for their healthcare. and I'm asking why did that wandering canadian dude sprint down here for his heart surgery?? He had 36 better places to choose from didn't he?

Now Willow, don't you be askin' questions these folks can't answer.

Lets see...its been asked and answered repeatedly. But since the conservatives don't like the answer, lets answer it again.

Yes ...Rush Limbaugh can receive the best hospital care in the world when he is sick. The problem is availability and affordability of healthcare. 60% of bankruptcies in the US are due to healthcare costs. Americans put off preventative checkups because they can't afford the copays or must pay out of pocket. The poor use emergency rooms because that is what is covered.
The end result is ...USA is #37

Based on what criteria?

 

[rightwinger]

Dave, I think the problem lies in the fact that we treat things like health care, education, housing, etc. as "rights."

THAT I believe is one of the roots, if not THE root, of the wrongful approaches to issues such as health care, education, housing, and the like.

If they're not rights then they must be privlleges. Are you okay with that?

I'm still trying to get my head around the fact that anyone thinks things like health care, education, and housing AREN'T basic human rights.

Who the hell gives a shit about Life, Liberty or the Pursuit of Happiness??

Real Americans sure don't

 

[CMike]

Lets see...its been asked and answered repeatedly. But since the conservatives don't like the answer, lets answer it again.

Yes ...Rush Limbaugh can receive the best hospital care in the world when he is sick. The problem is availability and affordability of healthcare. 60% of bankruptcies in the US are due to healthcare costs. Americans put off preventative checkups because they can't afford the copays or must pay out of pocket. The poor use emergency rooms because that is what is covered.
The end result is ...USA is #37

Anybody can go into a Wal-Mart Health Clinic and for $65 they can get a wellness checkup. The prescription will only cost them $4 in many cases.

and that's why 50% of our bankruptcies are due to unanticipated health costs.

cause we all know that a runny nose is the same as catastrophic care. seriously? is that the best you can do?

It went up to 60% in your next post. Inflation?

 

[rightwinger]

Now Willow, don't you be askin' questions these folks can't answer.

Lets see...its been asked and answered repeatedly. But since the conservatives don't like the answer, lets answer it again.

Yes ...Rush Limbaugh can receive the best hospital care in the world when he is sick. The problem is availability and affordability of healthcare. 60% of bankruptcies in the US are due to healthcare costs. Americans put off preventative checkups because they can't afford the copays or must pay out of pocket. The poor use emergency rooms because that is what is covered.
The end result is ...USA is #37

Based on what criteria?

#37 World Health Organization

Until you can provide a better rating from a reputable source we are #37

Instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why aren't you advocating that we improve our healthcare system?

 

[asaratis]

YouTube - "We're Number 37" - Paul Hipp

Go America!!!

What a clever way of getting the message across..Wish someone would have shown this @ Blair House yesterday.

Is some 'brilliant' liberal really citing this joke of a report again? I highly recommend that the OP dig a little deeper into that report as I did to see why America rated as low as it did.

Yes the Evil World Health Organization. Attack the messenger is always the best defense and is cheaper than actually FIXING our healthcare

Do you have any study from a reputable source that ranks us higher than 37?

You have parroted that request throughout this thread. Are you obtuse?

I have access to a study by ME that ranks the US 1st in all forms of governments. No matter my ranking methods, you must agree.

No matter who had presented those bogus 'evaluations' of degrees of socialism amongst all nations, regardless of their level of sophistication, development and delivery of medical care, the judgment is meaningless.

 

[CMike]

Lets see...its been asked and answered repeatedly. But since the conservatives don't like the answer, lets answer it again.

Yes ...Rush Limbaugh can receive the best hospital care in the world when he is sick. The problem is availability and affordability of healthcare. 60% of bankruptcies in the US are due to healthcare costs. Americans put off preventative checkups because they can't afford the copays or must pay out of pocket. The poor use emergency rooms because that is what is covered.
The end result is ...USA is #37

Based on what criteria?

#37 World Health Organization

Until you can provide a better rating from a reputable source we are #37

Instead of trying to shoot the messenger, why aren't you advocating that we improve our healthcare system?

Once again, based on what?

It's a very simple question.

Based on:

Access?

Affordability?

Quality?

What?

 

[rightwinger]

Anybody can go into a Wal-Mart Health Clinic and for $65 they can get a wellness checkup. The prescription will only cost them $4 in many cases.

and that's why 50% of our bankruptcies are due to unanticipated health costs.

cause we all know that a runny nose is the same as catastrophic care. seriously? is that the best you can do?

It went up to 60% in your next post. Inflation?

This link has it at about half of all bankrupticies

Health Care Statistics in the United States

Other interesting healthcare facts:

-The United States spends twice as much on health care per capita ($7,129) than any other country . . . and spending continues to increase. In 2005, the national health care expenditures totaled $2 trillion. Source: National Center for Health Statistics
-75% of all health care dollars are spent on patients with one or more chronic conditions, many of which can be prevented, including diabetes, obesity, heart disease, lung disease, high blood pressure, and cancer. Source: Health Affairs
-From 2000 to 2006, overall inflation has increased 3.5%, wages have increased 3.8%, and health care premiums have increased 87%. Source: Kaiser Family Foundation
-The average family health insurance premium, provided through an employer health benefit program, was $11,480 in 2006. Employees paid an average of $2,973 towards the premium amount. Source: Kaiser Family Foundation

-The United States ranks 43rd in lowest infant mortality rate, down from 12th in 1960 and 21st in 1990. Singapore has the lowest rate with 2.3 deaths per 1000 live births, while the United States has a rate of 6.3 deaths per 1000 live births. Some of the other 42 nations that have a lower infant mortality rate than the US include Hong Kong, Slovenia, and Cuba. Source: CIA Factbook (2008)
-Approximately 30,000 infants die in the United States each year. The infant mortality rate, which is the risk of death during the first year of life, is related to the underlying health of the mother, public health practices, socioeconomic conditions, and availability and use of appropriate health care for infants and pregnant women. Sources: CDC and National Center for Health Statistics
Life Expectancy
-Life expectancy at birth in the US is an average of 78.14 years, which ranks 47th in highest total life expectancy compared to other countries. Source: CIA Factbook (2008)


43rd in Infant Mortality
47th in Life Expectancy

And these morons question why the US ranks 37th in healthcare?

 

[CMike]

Yanno...in Mexico their health care is free to mexicans. Obviously, it's really not free because the taxpayers pay for it.

November my wife and I were vacationing in Cancun. My wife fell and broke her ankle, shattering it in a few places.

We were taken to what we were told was the best hospital in Cancun. They were very nice and my wife had a private room.I also had to pay the hospital in Cancun about $8,000. It was one ******* expensive vacation.


We came back to the US two days before Thanksgiving. A day before Thanksgiving my wife went to an ankle and foot specialist.

Thanksgiving Day my wife was back in the hospital with the doctor redoing what they fucked up in Mexico. She was still in the hospital on that Friday, which was her birthday and her anniversary.My wife got excellent care in the US, and more importantly they did a great job
.
Yes, Mexicans have free access, but the quality of the care sucked.

 

[potter 58]

Anybody can go into a Wal-Mart Health Clinic and for $65 they can get a wellness checkup. The prescription will only cost them $4 in many cases.

Hey Iowa Guy - what the **** is a Wal Mart Health Clinic

 

[rightwinger]

Is some 'brilliant' liberal really citing this joke of a report again? I highly recommend that the OP dig a little deeper into that report as I did to see why America rated as low as it did.

Yes the Evil World Health Organization. Attack the messenger is always the best defense and is cheaper than actually FIXING our healthcare

Do you have any study from a reputable source that ranks us higher than 37?

You have parroted that request throughout this thread. Are you obtuse?

I have access to a study by ME that ranks the US 1st in all forms of governments. No matter my ranking methods, you must agree.

No matter who had presented those bogus 'evaluations' of degrees of socialism amongst all nations, regardless of their level of sophistication, development and delivery of medical care, the judgment is meaningless.

The US ranks 43rd in Infant Mortality
The US ranks 47th in Life Expectancy

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