Zone1 We need to Return to 1940's Values on Sex Outside Marriage. Desperately.

[Mashmont]

Not necessarily…
Most males first time ejaculate too quickly
Females feel pain

I specifically said for the male. Not female. For males, there is no such thing as too quickly

 

[Mashmont]

Catholics apply guilt to sex
It is necessary for procreation but to enjoy it is sinful

That’s ridiculously wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

That’s ridiculously wrong.

Even you are offended by birth control and masturbation
How do you feel about kinky sex practices?

 

[zaangalewa]

You do understand that the GOP Congress forced Clinton to accept their spending cuts, right? That he vetoed them twice, before accepting, right?

I'm no US-American but a German Catholic. And Bill Clinton was for me always one of the best presidents of the USA. Somehow it is funny that his little affair with an adult woman was a scandal. In Germany this would be a private problem. If you like I can send Hillary Clinton a stone she can throw on him - if stones will become a rare good under Donald Trump. I will for sure not throw a stone on him. But I will throw tons of stones in case of Donald Trump if necessary to do so. Donald Trump is not only in my eyes an extremely dangerous criminal. His unbelievable ugly behavior in case of John McCain would be reason enough to be against him - but the storm on the capitol gives me no other chance than to see in this criminal man an enemy of the USA and the whole western world. I love this world. The occident is my home.

 

[Dragonlady]

If you're searching for a candidate who has never sinned, there aren't many of those available.

I'm not searching for a candidate who has "never sinned", but I'm certainly not going to vote for ANYONE so who brags about bribing politicians, sexually assaulting women, and breaking contracts, much less one who has filed for Chapter 11 six times.

Trump was in the middle of a fraud trial when he started his first run for President. He bribed the AG's of Texas and Florida so they wouldn't join in that lawsuit, using funds donated to his Family Charity. He publicly cheated on all three of his wives.

Fraud, tax evasion, lying, cheating and stealing. If Trump has done these things to everyone he's ever done business with or been married to, what would ever make you believe that he would treat you with any honesty or concern? American banks stopped lending to him in 2002 and still won't do business with him without liquid collateral.

I had a friend who routinely dated married men. She suggested bringing her latest boyfriend to my family cottage for the weekend. I asked why she would want to date someone she knew to be a liar and a cheater, who held no respect for his wife, or their family - the people he supposedly cared most about? That's how I feel about voting for someone as openly criminal and corrupt as Donald Trump.

Why would you vote for anyone who has made his money, lying cheating, stealing and screwing over anyone who ever did business with him? What makes you think he'll treat you any differently?

 

[Mashmont]

I'm not searching for a candidate who has "never sinned", but I'm certainly not going to vote for ANYONE so who brags about bribing politicians, sexually assaulting women, and breaking contracts, much less one who has filed for Chapter 11 six times.

Trump was in the middle of a fraud trial when he started his first run for President. He bribed the AG's of Texas and Florida so they wouldn't join in that lawsuit, using funds donated to his Family Charity. He publicly cheated on all three of his wives.

Fraud, tax evasion, lying, cheating and stealing. If Trump has done these things to everyone he's ever done business with or been married to, what would ever make you believe that he would treat you with any honesty or concern? American banks stopped lending to him in 2002 and still won't do business with him without liquid collateral.

I had a friend who routinely dated married men. She suggested bringing her latest boyfriend to my family cottage for the weekend. I asked why she would want to date someone she knew to be a liar and a cheater, who held no respect for his wife, or their family - the people he supposedly cared most about? That's how I feel about voting for someone as openly criminal and corrupt as Donald Trump.

Why would you vote for anyone who has made his money, lying cheating, stealing and screwing over anyone who ever did business with him? What makes you think he'll treat you any differently?

But yet you voted for Biden who lied, cheated, stole, plagiarized, was a party to adultery, and openly mocks his alleged faith.
You voted for Hillary who lied, cheated, stole, illegally erased data, let four soldiers die for political reasons. What makes you think they would treat you any differently?

 

[Mashmont]

I'm no US-American but a German Catholic. And Bill Clinton was for me always one of the best presidents of the USA. Somehow it is funny that his little affair with an adult woman was a scandal. In Germany this would be a private problem. If you like I can send Hillary Clinton a stone she can throw on him - if stones will become a rare good under Donald Trump. I will for sure not throw a stone on him. But I will throw tons of stones in case of Donald Trump if necessary to do so. Donald Trump is not only in my eyes an extremely dangerous criminal. His unbelievable ugly behavior in case of John McCain would be reason enough to be against him - but the storm on the capitol gives me no other chance than to see in this criminal man an enemy of the USA and the whole western world. I love this world. The occident is my home.

In America, we know what a decent and great man President Trump is. True to his promises, helping to make the country and the world great again. I think I speak for the left and the right in the country when I say, "President Trump is our guy, and foreign people best not say anything negative"

 

[Dragonlady]

You do understand that the GOP Congress forced Clinton to accept their spending cuts, right? That he vetoed them twice, before accepting, right?

Clinton vetoed the spending cuts twice, before he got the deal he wanted. Clinton also refused to sign NAFTA until more protections were built in for American workers, and he raised the minimum wage for the first time since 1980.

Despite Republican claims that raising the minimum wage would increase inflation and cost low wage workers their jobs, the unemployment rate went DOWN, and inflation did not go up.

Trump cut workers' overtime pay when in his first administration. This time he's cutting their health care coverage.

 

[zaangalewa]

In America, we know what a decent and great man President Trump is.

Then you are wrong, US-American. The machine gun liar Donald Trump is a slave of Putin.

True to his promises, helping to make the country and the world great again.

What Donald Trump is saying is worth nothing up to less than nothing.

 

[Dragonlady]

But yet you voted for Biden who lied, cheated, stole, plagiarized, was a party to adultery, and openly mocks his alleged faith.
You voted for Hillary who lied, cheated, stole, illegally erased data, let four soldiers die for political reasons. What makes you think they would treat you any differently?

First off, I didn't vote for ANY of them because I live in Canada and I'm a member of the Liberal Party.

Who lied, cheated, stole????? Where? When? Where are the allegations, the charges? If you mean the Bullshit lies Trump told about Joe accepting bribes. When was Biden a party to adultery or mocked his faith.

Clinton did not 'illegally erase data" and that's been certified by the FBI, the Inspector General, and more than 25 separate investigations, all of which have said that Clinton has NEVER done ANY of the things that Republicans have accused her of doing.

THOU SHALLT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS.

You rationalized voting for Trump saying all politicians are sinners, and then demand to know how I could vote for someone so low as Clinton or Biden, neither of whom has EVER been charged with a crime.

 

[zaangalewa]

I posted the links. You should try reading them.

No. Either this woman was totally stupid or the story is totally stupid. I will not even pray for her or for the author of this absurd nonsense because this was dated about 50-60 years into the past.

 

[zaangalewa]

Sex before marriage and cohabitation protects couples from making the serious mistake of entering into a marriage with someone you are incompatible with.

A series of dates does not reveal what you need to know about your potential partner.
Living with that person does

In this case, the Bible is wrong

Perhaps this way: "Virgin" is in German "Jungfrau" = "junge Frau" = "young woman". That's the same in Hebrew, I heard. This expression has nothing to do with sex. A young woman, a virgin, is not a child any longer but also not married. That's it.

And what means now that Mother Mary is born without sin? This also has nothing to do with her sex but with her freedom. Sin makes unfree - but Mary had to be absolutelly free. Why? On a very simple reason: God asked her to be the mother of his son. And she answered "May it be done to me according to your will" what means a totally free "yes" and her trust in god that this what he asked her will be good because it is in his will, in the will of god.

So far so good. And now tell me please what means "In this case, the Bible is wrong"

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My point is that once at a gathering of friends (all of us happily married; all of us who lived together before marriage) were talking about this. All of us wanted our relationship to continue, so we went along with living together some because that's the way it was "supposed" to happen these days. The interesting part of that conversation is that all of us (even those who were in favor of living together before marriage) that while living together did lead to our successful marriages, if we had it to do over, we wouldn't have lived together before marriage.

While I don't mind people broadcasting, "There is nothing wrong with living together outside of marriage" there should be an equally loud broadcast of "What is wrong with living together outside of marriage."

Who is doing that in the schools?

Answer: No one.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's not hard to look up these studies, plus as I said most if not all religions teach that sex outside marriage is immoral. So it's a fact all the way around. It doesn't matter if you disagree with God's teaching. It's like disagreeing with the wind or disagreeing with gravity.

I don't want to look up something tp prove your point. You should have references readily available if you rely on them to support your argument. That's message board 101.

 

[Meriweather]

Who is doing that in the schools?

Answer: No one.

Not quite. Do you know how birth control is presented in schools? Is it presented as options available to married couples? Or, is it presented as anyone who wants to have sex without a pregnancy occurring?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

But yet you voted for Biden who lied, cheated, stole, plagiarized, was a party to adultery, and openly mocks his alleged faith.
You voted for Hillary who lied, cheated, stole, illegally erased data, let four soldiers die for political reasons. What makes you think they would treat you any differently?

How do you not know she is Canadian? She is one of our regular bitchers from the frozen tundra that harp on American politics because they have no say in their socialist serfdom.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not quite. Do you know how birth control is presented in schools? Is it presented as options available to married couples? Or, is it presented as anyone who wants to have sex without a pregnancy occurring?

They don't make that distinction. Nice try, but your argument is an epic failure.

Just opt your kids out if you want them pregnant as a teenager.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No. Nearly all religions.

That is your mistaken belief because you are Catholic. You believe everyone is just like you, when that is not true.

 

[Meriweather]

They don't make that distinction. Nice try, but your argument is an epic failure.

Just opt your kids out if you want them pregnant as a teenager.

Yes, the distinction is in fact intrinsically made. I'm certain you grasp that. What they don't dare do is suggest teens wait for marriage to have sex.

And don't be silly. No one says, "I want my teenager to become pregnant or make someone pregnant." I don't know about your kids, but mine already knew about sex before it was addressed in class. Both moaned to me, "Mom, you should have opted me out of this! It is soooo BORING!" saying I covered everything without boring them in the process.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, the distinction is in fact intrinsically made. I'm certain you grasp that. What they don't dare do is suggest teens wait for marriage to have sex.

And don't be silly. No one says, "I want my teenager to become pregnant or make someone pregnant." I don't know about your kids, but mine already knew about sex before it was addressed in class. Both moaned to me, "Mom, you should have opted me out of this! It is soooo BORING!" saying I covered everything without boring them in the process.

Quote me the text where that is done. I was a teacher. If it is not written, it is not taught without peril of being held accountable for the error. You have no clue as to what you are saying. You are making a gross assumption on how things are taught which you could not possibly know unless you were the student.

I raised three kids and every one of them took sex ed classes in school. I also know exactly how it was taught because they all attended schools where I taught or in the same district. It did not harm them as you believe it does.