Zone1 We need to Return to 1940's Values on Sex Outside Marriage. Desperately.

[zaangalewa]

It had mostly to do with morals. When I was a lad in Catholic school, there were a handful of divorced parents out of the 100 or so families. We always felt there was something wrong with them. These parents usually weren’t Catholic themselves; we didn’t see them in church as often. ...

A hard word now: Because you were no Catholics, so the divorced "parents" (I suppose you can call them ‘abandoned single mums’ for the most part) had to justify themselves to you moralisers?

 

[Mashmont]

And any couple can do that
Even couples experienced in sex still have a learning curve together.

A couple who have been living together still have a better wedding night than two virgins.

A couple living together may have had sex hundreds of times with much of it being routine, going through the motions sex.
But they will bring their “A Game” to their wedding night

I disagree that it’s better to be experienced on your wedding night. Only from the perspective of an experienced person might it seem better. But for a male, the first time is unbelievably great.

 

[Meriweather]

I disagree that it’s better to be experienced on your wedding night. Only from the perspective of an experienced person might it seem better. But for a male, the first time is unbelievably great.

I agree with this as I missed all the anticipation (and possibly jitters) in looking forward to the wedding night.

 

[zaangalewa]

Birth control is immoral?

No.

Contraception is immoral?

No.

Some forms of contraceptions are problematic. But to explain this and to understand this is not so easy. What everyone easily is able to understand is "sex is a good thing" - but it is and it is not. Depends. Whatever happens in such a case: The very famous German soccer player Franz Beckenbauer did not like to speak about what had happened when his secretary got a baby and he was the father. He just simple said: "A child is always a reason for joy". This was the best comment I ever had heard in such a context.

 

[zaangalewa]

Yes, according to Catholics, taking birth control is thwarting "God's will" and his commandment to "Go forth and multiple".

I remember back in the 1970's, a married Catholic woman was interviewed about why she had multiple abortions. Why not just go on the Pill and avoid the pregnancy? Her response was that taking a birth control was considered a "mortal sin", as is having an abortion. ...

A totally stupid story about Catholics. Who said so? The Russian KGB?

 

[zaangalewa]

Everything was better back in the day.

In 80 years they’ll be calling these the “Good Old Days “.

Karl Valentin said once "Früher war die Zukunft auch besser" ~ "In former times also the future used to be better".

 

[zaangalewa]

Christian views are also sensible moral views. ...

That's now an interesting question. Was Jesus a moraliser? I would say "no". But a moral view helps. The own person. And indirectly also other persons. But not in the way "I wished everyone would be like I". This is impossible. Everyone is a unique child of god.

 

[Dragonlady]

A totally stupid story about Catholics. Who said so? The Russian KGB?

I posted the links. You should try reading them.

 

[Zincwarrior]

If you're searching for a candidate who has never sinned, there aren't many of those available.

You picked the candidate who enthusiastically broke all of them.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Artificial birth control reduces sex to a purely mechanical act for the sake of itself. It precludes the unitive, procreative aspect.

Exactly. And?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Most religions view sex outside marriage is bad. Why would we choose the atheist option instead?

No. Thats Catholics.

 

[zaangalewa]

Trump has no doubt been a great family man for two decades. Now take Bill Clinton. He had women indiscriminately and continued to do so long after leaving office. Yet you voted for him, didn't you?

Bill Clinton was one of the very best presidents of the USA during my lifetime (the only one with a balanced budget) - and Donald Trump (by the way: an atheist) is far the worst man who ever was called "president of the USA".

 

[Moonglow]

But you don't have to have it on your wedding night. Great things require waiting. Self-deferment. Attention to others. Patience. Then when it comes, it's better than ever. That's the essence of God when you think about it.

Leftwing Hollywood doesn't believe that. That's why the obligatory sex scenes (which always features unmarried couples) fall flat. They're an abomination, really.

You look to movies for guidance when all it is is art.

 

[Mashmont]

Bill Clinton was one of the very best presidents of the USA during my lifetime (the only one with a balanced budget) - and Donald Trump (by the way: an atheist) is far the worst man who ever was called "president of the USA".

You do understand that the GOP Congress forced Clinton to accept their spending cuts, right? That he vetoed them twice, before accepting, right?

 

[Mashmont]

No. Thats Catholics.

No. Nearly all religions.

 

[Mashmont]

Exactly. And?

Thsts why it’s immoral.

 

[Mashmont]

You look to movies for guidance when all it is is art.

Not me. But movies influence some people.

 

[rightwinger]

I disagree that it’s better to be experienced on your wedding night. Only from the perspective of an experienced person might it seem better. But for a male, the first time is unbelievably great.

Not necessarily…
Most males first time ejaculate too quickly
Females feel pain

 

[rightwinger]

No. Thats Catholics.

Catholics apply guilt to sex
It is necessary for procreation but to enjoy it is sinful

Anything considered “kinky” is discouraged.

 

[zaangalewa]

He's a Catholic zealot. All birth control is murder.

Why have some atheistic zealots always to speak nonsense about Catholic ocelots?

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Hier einige Gedankenfetzen, die Dir vermutlich alle sehr befremdlich vorkommen werden. Warum nur Fetzen? Man muss als Katholik schon geduldig sein und viel lesen oder hinhören können um die Gedankengänge unseres „Chefs“ auch nur schlecht angenähert verstehen zu können:

„Die Ehe fördert die personale Entwicklung des Mannes
und der Frau., vermittelt die Erfahrung lustvoller
Hingabe, vertieft die Freude am Ehepartner, setzt
opferbereiten Verzicht voraus, stärkt den Willen,
füreinander da und in Treue verbunden zu sein.... So
gelebte Sexualität läßt keinen Raum für unchristliche
Leibfeindlichkeit....“

„auf Gott hinhörende Ehrfurcht, gemeinsame Überlegung,
Handeln nach eigenem Gewissen“

„Keine egoistischen Motive“

„Verantwortung für die Ehe, die Geschwister, das
körperliche und seelische Befinden der Frau, berufliche
und gesundheitliche Lage der Eheleute, Wohnsituation,
wirtschaftliche Verhältnisse, Erbkrankheiten,
Verantwortung gegenüber der Gesellschaft“

„Das Urteil über die Methode der Empfängnisregelung,
das in die Entscheidung der Ehegatten fällt, darf nicht
willkürlich gefällt werden, sondern muss in die
gewissenhafte Prüfung die objektiven Normen
miteinbeziehen, die das Lehramt der Kirche vorlegt. Die
angewandte Methode darf dabei keinen der Partner
seelisch verletzen oder in seiner Liebesfähigkeit
beeinträchtigen.“

„Wo aber dieser Weg nicht gangbar ist:
Gewissensentscheidung über Empfängnisverhütung, die
am wenigsten der ganzheitlichen Hingabe schaden
würde.“

----- Translation:

Here are a few scraps of thoughts that will probably all seem very strange to you. Why just scraps? As a Catholic, you have to be patient and be able to read or listen a lot to be able to understand the thought processes of our ‘boss’ even in a poorly approximated way:

"Marriage promotes the personal development of man and woman.
and the woman, conveys the experience of lustful
experience of lustful devotion, deepens joy in the spouse, requires
requires sacrificial renunciation, strengthens the will to be there
to be there for each other and to be united in fidelity.... Sexuality
sexuality lived in this way leaves no room for unchristian
hostility towards the body...."

"Reverence that listens to God, common reflection,
acting according to one's own conscience"

"No selfish motives"

"Responsibility for the marriage, the siblings, the physical and
physical and mental health of the wife, professional and health
and health situation of the spouses, housing situation
economic circumstances, hereditary diseases,
Responsibility towards society"

"The judgement on the method of conception regulation,
the decision of the spouses must not be made arbitrarily
be made arbitrarily, but must take into account the
conscientious examination of the objective norms
which the Magisterium of the Church presents. The
method used must not harm either of the partners
hurt one of the partners emotionally or impair their
in their ability to love."

"But where this path is not feasible:
A decision of conscience about contraception that is
least harmful to holistic devotion.
would do."

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