Zone1 We need to Return to 1940's Values on Sex Outside Marriage. Desperately.

[Mashmont]

Yes, marriage kills sex.

Sorry if that was your experience. It wasn't mine.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Plenty of studies show the ill effects on relationships of premarital sex. It doesn't matter what your view is.

Have you proven those studies are proof beyond any doubt? No.

I happen to know numerous exceptions, including yours truly. The existence of a non-example is logical proof that your theory is flawed.

 

[gipper]

We are talking about requiring proper education to students on why fornication is bad. You've changed the topic to something we're not talking about.

Cheating certainly causes a great deal of heartache and problems in a marriage and family. Most of us have seen it’s consequences first hand. The harm it causes children is seldom discussed, if it leads to divorce.

My best buddy growing up went through his parents divorce, back in the early 70s. His mom was much younger than his dad, and she demanded divorce. It fucked him up really bad. He revered his father. He would scream profanities at his mother all the time, in front of me. He got into drugs heavily, but ended up okay after many years.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You said I used it incorrectly. That means you didn't know what it meant.

No, I said it didn't match the definition, which it does not.

 

[Mashmont]

No, I said it didn't match the definition, which it does not.

Yes it does. licit = not forbidden.

 

[Moonglow]

Sorry if that was your experience. It wasn't mine.

So you still have sex three times a day?

 

[Mashmont]

Have you proven those studies are proof beyond any doubt? No.

I happen to know numerous exceptions, including yours truly. The existence of a non-example is logical proof that your theory is flawed.

Oh. So it's my job to prove studies? lol.

If you've done it, you've been damaged and so has your relationship. No question.

 

[rightwinger]

Conclusion: Immoral sex may seem so simple, innocent, and victimless. In reality, it is among the most dangerous and destructive of all sins because of its pervasiveness. It destroys relationships, objectifies women, derails commitment, creates unwanted children, and numbs people's ability to have meaningful relationships.

Before a couple marries, they should…

Have hot, sweaty, head banging sex
Have had a knock down, drag out fight

Enables them to see the best and the worst of their future partner.

Face it Mashy
The Bible is wrong. Couples should live together before they marry. Removes the romanticism of the relationship and lets them see what life with that person will be like 24/7

 

[Moonglow]

Before a couple marries, they should…

Have hot, sweaty, head banging sex
Have had a knock down, drag out fight

Enables them to see the best and the worst of their future partner.

Face it Mashy
The Bible is wrong. Couples should live together before they marry. Removes the romanticism of the relationship and lets them see what life with that person will be like 24/7

Who married Adam and Eve or those other people that Cain was exiled to?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes it does. licit = not forbidden.

You forgot "lawful", which fails to meet the definition on your topic.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh. So it's my job to prove studies? lol.

If you've done it, you've been damaged and so has your relationship. No question.

If you want to implement them as policy, you damn sure better prove them to be valid.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Again, you assert without proof. And what makes you think people told the truth to Kinsey or that he reported the truth?
And about sex lives of most Americans being abysmal, I doubt many married men would say that. Even when sex is bad as the saying goes, it's pretty good. On the issue of selfishness, I agree with you. But I would also say women didn't see themselves as perpetual victims as many do now. It took decades of leftwing media pounding for women to say "Yeah, we're unhappy with our lot in life, come to think of it." My mother was the classic 1950s housewife and mom said "the problem today is women aren't content. I was always happy and content". Life is what you make it, in other words.

Nothing to disagree with, but also has nothing to do with sex before marriage.

 

[Mashmont]

If you want to implement them as policy, you damn sure better prove them to be valid.

I think all the studies prove it's valid, as well as you own eyes. The black ghettos are Exhibit A.

 

[Mashmont]

Before a couple marries, they should…

Have hot, sweaty, head banging sex
Have had a knock down, drag out fight

Enables them to see the best and the worst of their future partner.

Face it Mashy
The Bible is wrong. Couples should live together before they marry. Removes the romanticism of the relationship and lets them see what life with that person will be like 24/7

LIke other things, to man's reckoning, cohabitation could seem logical for the reasons you mention, but that's not how it plays out in reality. Sex before marriage sabotages that marriage, either by breaking up the relationship or causing problems later.

I would never in a million years marry a woman who has cohabited with someone. I turned down girls as a young man for that very reason. Very glad now. I would have regretted getting with them. Here is another interesting point. Women who have sex with before marriage are more likely to have affairs while married.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think all the studies prove it's valid, as well as you own eyes. The black ghettos are Exhibit A.

Even if they were valid, there is no reason to implement your plan with no guarantee of success. That's social engineering at its worst. You cannot legislate morality. It has been tried for eons and fails to work.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

LIke other things, to man's reckoning, cohabitation could seem logical for the reasons you mention, but that's not how it plays out in reality. Sex before marriage sabotages that marriage, either by breaking up the relationship or causing problems later.

As I said, you have no proof of that, and I find it a specious argument at best.

I had relations with my wife before we were married and we have been together 42 years. I know all of my children did before marriage and they are all going strong in their relationships. My son married his high school sweetheart days before they graduated from high school. They have been married 19 years. My oldest daughter is now married to the best son-in-law a father could ever ask for. They have been together for about 7 years, and he is a wonderful stepfather to my two grandsons. My youngest daughter is currently involved with her only serious boyfriend she has ever had, and she is 31 years old. He is about 3 years older, an Army Major on the division commanding general's staff. They intend to live together at his next duty station for a short period before marriage, but they spend every possible moment together now. They cannot live together now because we live in her house. They planned all of this themselves and my wife and I approve because marriage at this time is not possible for numerous reasons. I call him "son" already and he calls my wife "Mom". His mother and I have actually talked on the phone and she has met my daughter and strongly approves of their plans as we do.

'You simply cannot make blanket statements and think it applies to everyone.

 

[Mashmont]

As I said, you have no proof of that, and I find it a specious argument at best.

I had relations with my wife before we were married and we have been together 42 years. I know all of my children did before marriage and they are all going strong in their relationships. My son married his high school sweetheart days before they graduated from high school. They have been married 19 years. My oldest daughter is now married to the best son-in-law a father could ever ask for. They have been together for about 7 years, and he is a wonderful stepfather to my two grandsons. My youngest daughter is currently involved with her only serious boyfriend she has ever had, and she is 31 years old. He is about 3 years older, an Army Major on the division commanding general's staff. They intend to live together at his next duty station for a short period before marriage, but they spend every possible moment together now. They cannot live together now because we live in her house. They planned all of this themselves and my wife and I approve because marriage at this time is not possible for numerous reasons. I call him "son" already and he calls my wife "Mom". His mother and I have actually talked on the phone and she has met my daughter and strongly approves of their plans as we do.

'You simply cannot make blanket statements and think it applies to everyone.

All I can say is people who flout the teaching of God and think their won't be consequences are in for trouble. It's not me who wrote the laws.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

All I can say is people who flout the teaching of God and think their won't be consequences are in for trouble. It's not me who wrote the laws.

That is your choice. You just cannot impose your will over others who may not agree.

 

[Meriweather]

That is your choice. You just cannot impose your will over others who may not agree.

That works both ways. If one person cannot impose their will over others, then it follows the second person cannot force their will opposing the first over others.

What should be clear and available before making a choice are the pros and cons of each choice. In the end, I am guessing a majority end up with this choice: It I want to continue in this relationship, I'll have to give in to what he/she wants as he/she is not going to go along with what I want. Do you see any way of working around this dilemma?

 

[Mashmont]

That is your choice. You just cannot impose your will over others who may not agree.

It’s not a matter of agreement. It’s what the dozens of studies say. They prove the teaching of God is correct. If I’m a school board, I enact this no sex before marriage teaching into the curriculum, and would be immune to legal challenges based on religion. We need courageous boards to do the right thing and try to protect people from these acts. That’s a great first step.