We need government now more than ever

[Soggy in NOLA]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

 

[Dad2three]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

 

[Avorysuds]

[Q

You are confused.

The top 1% of income earners pays 50% of that filthy ass income tax. The top 20% pays 80%.

50% of the deadbeats in this country pay no income tax at all.

Property tax and sales taxes are mostly borne by those higher earners. All wealthy earners max out the stupid payroll tax while most Americans never pay the max. The corporate tax and most excise taxes are borne by higher earners. With the exemptions on basics like like food for the poor the higher wage earners pays the greater share on most sale taxes. The Death Tax is paid exclusively by higher earners.

The problem is this out of control country is that the cost of government is simply too high for everybody, rich and poor alike. In most families the stupid cost of government is th highest household expense, regardless of income. The combined cost of federal, state and local government is about 40% of the GNP and is a tremendous burden on all Americans. No wonder our poverty rate is increasing, the debt is skyrocketing, family income is decreasing and the gap between the rich and poor is growing because our wealth is being depleted. Our wealth is being wasted on stupid government programs that have the effect of strangling the economy.

Bottom HALF of US make 11% of ALL income in the US, average less than $15,000 PER FAMILY, a loss of almost $5,000 PER FAMILY if they kept the same share as they had pre Reaganomics

"Death taxes" are paid by those with $5.4+ million estates (EACH HUBBY/WIFE)

EVERYTHING ELSE YOU POSIT IS RIGHT WING ECHO CHAMBER BULLSHIT


And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.
The one tax graph you really need to know




May 5, 2011

U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58


The total tax burden — for all federal, state and local taxes — dropped to 23.6% of income

U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58 - USATODAY.com


How Low Are U.S. Taxes Compared to Other Countries?

You can't help but notice your picture debate lacks so much information and even moves in 1% and 5% for top tax payers and in 20% increments for lower tax payers.

Basically, it does not show that people in the first 5 or 10% pay almost nothing in taxes and then your graph dose not show those that get welfare. If you took the value of child care, HC, food stamps, housing and other forms of welfaer collected by each group I'd wonder if the first 50% pay much of any taxes.

 

[Rustic]

In a time when the odds are against the middle class and poor, we need GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS.

1) The wealth disparity in the US Is one of the widest in the world. The child poverty rate is the worst in the developed world.

2) Lower wage jobs greatly outnumber higher wage jobs. That means millions of people have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs. We must raise the minimum wage to a reasonable level that republicans and democrats can compromise on. Corporate profits are at an all time high and wages have remained flat in the lower classes for decades. Do you really think the private market will raise wages on its own? Get real. Think of what higher wages would do to welfare statistics like food stamps or TANF.

3) The price of pharmaceuticals and healthcare in this country is insane. There MUST be caps in place to prices. Poor people (who again are very hard pressed to find higher wage jobs) cannot afford basic cancer treatment. More socialization in our healthcare system is the ONLY way to fix this problem.

4) Our infrasture system is crumbling. Progressive taxation is the ONLY way to fix it.

Till the federal government lives with in its means every month and has us in zero debt.
It can never be trusted... All money that currently goes to the federal government ends up in politicians coffers.

Any tax is used frivolously.

 

[Freiheit]

Albert Einstein; considered one of the brightest minds ever said;
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein
You then must be even brighter since you advise doing the same that has been done for the past seven
years and we can not only expect, but we can count on a different result.
There is another wise saying that more accurately fits your advice
"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with bullshit."
a common man

 

[Dad2three]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

In a time when the odds are against the middle class and poor, we need GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS.

1) The wealth disparity in the US Is one of the widest in the world. The child poverty rate is the worst in the developed world.

2) Lower wage jobs greatly outnumber higher wage jobs. That means millions of people have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs. We must raise the minimum wage to a reasonable level that republicans and democrats can compromise on. Corporate profits are at an all time high and wages have remained flat in the lower classes for decades. Do you really think the private market will raise wages on its own? Get real. Think of what higher wages would do to welfare statistics like food stamps or TANF.

3) The price of pharmaceuticals and healthcare in this country is insane. There MUST be caps in place to prices. Poor people (who again are very hard pressed to find higher wage jobs) cannot afford basic cancer treatment. More socialization in our healthcare system is the ONLY way to fix this problem.

4) Our infrasture system is crumbling. Progressive taxation is the ONLY way to fix it.

Seems to me politicians and government is directly and most responsible for all the world's problems. Politicians declare wars but do not fight them, they then declare peace when some political objective has been met having sacrificed the best of their country, they create us vs them conflicts polarizing society against itself, on n on.

Just as the Founders didn't want a full-time army, think it's worth exploring not having a full-time government but people who fill that need only part-time. Think it's entirely possible for countries to do just fine governing themselves on the micro/local scale instead of some capital thousands of miles away dictating terms to them absent any personal connection with them.

 

[Dad2three]

Albert Einstein; considered one of the brightest minds ever said;
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein
You then must be even brighter since you advise doing the same that has been done for the past seven
years and we can not only expect, but we can count on a different result.
There is another wise saying that more accurately fits your advice
"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with bullshit."
a common man

 

[Rustic]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

You do know that both figures are progressives??

Progressives, no matter what the party have ruined this country forever.

Silly hope and change fools

 

[Dad2three]

In a time when the odds are against the middle class and poor, we need GOVERNMENT SOLUTIONS.

1) The wealth disparity in the US Is one of the widest in the world. The child poverty rate is the worst in the developed world.

2) Lower wage jobs greatly outnumber higher wage jobs. That means millions of people have NO CHOICE but to accept shitty paying jobs. We must raise the minimum wage to a reasonable level that republicans and democrats can compromise on. Corporate profits are at an all time high and wages have remained flat in the lower classes for decades. Do you really think the private market will raise wages on its own? Get real. Think of what higher wages would do to welfare statistics like food stamps or TANF.

3) The price of pharmaceuticals and healthcare in this country is insane. There MUST be caps in place to prices. Poor people (who again are very hard pressed to find higher wage jobs) cannot afford basic cancer treatment. More socialization in our healthcare system is the ONLY way to fix this problem.

4) Our infrasture system is crumbling. Progressive taxation is the ONLY way to fix it.

Seems to me politicians and government is directly and most responsible for all the world's problems. Politicians declare wars but do not fight them, they then declare peace when some political objective has been met having sacrificed the best of their country, they create us vs them conflicts polarizing society against itself, on n on.

Just as the Founders didn't want a full-time army, think it's worth exploring not having a full-time government but people who fill that need only part-time. Think it's entirely possible for countries to do just fine governing themselves on the micro/local scale instead of some capital thousands of miles away dictating terms to them absent any personal connection with them.

Examples of libertarian philosophy EVER working ANYWHERE?

 

[Avorysuds]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

Obama has spent m

Dueling Debt Deceptions

 

[Dad2three]

We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

You do know that both figures are progressives??

Progressives no matter what party have ruined this country forever.

Silly hope and change fools

LOL, Yes, I forgot,. CONservatives have GREAT policy that ALWAYS works, like standing with King George in 1776 as the Loyalists/Torries, being the Southern CONservative CONfederate States of AmeriKKKa as they fought US, being isolationist during BOTH WW's, fighting labor laws, civil rights, woman's rights, min wage, SS that keeps half of seniors out of poverty, etc...

 

[Dad2three]

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We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

Obama has spent m

Dueling Debt Deceptions

CONservatives "math" huh



BJ Bill's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $ 5,807,463,412,200.06

Dubya's last F/Y ends

09/30/2009, $11,909,829,003,511.75. in debt

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014



Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

Federal deficits and debt have been sharply higher under President Obama, but the evidence continues to show that the Great Recession, President Bush’s tax cuts, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain most of the deficits that have occurred on Obama’s watch — based on the latest Congressional Budget Office projections as well as legislation enacted since we last issued this analysis of what lies behind current deficits and debt.

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[hortysir]

I can't function in society
I can't succeed on my own

I need gummint to help me
I need gummint to make me succeed

Suck a tit, loser
Food stamps and SSI are easier to get than ever before. Take it and move back to your trailer

 

[Freiheit]

and any other invent that have lots of people, and they can pass the cost onto the people who carry guns.

I should think that is only right, I mean cigs are taxed to death to pay for illnesses. So people who want to own

guns can pay more since now they need to care for the wounded in these mass shootings and whatever the civil awards will be to the families that loose their family members.

Don't expect the ones who do not carry guns to foot the bill.

Does this sound fair??

Albert Einstein; considered one of the brightest minds ever said;
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein
You then must be even brighter since you advise doing the same that has been done for the past seven
years and we can not only expect, but we can count on a different result.
There is another wise saying that more accurately fits your advice
"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with bullshit."
a common man

Why do you consider Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS credible sources? Seems to me you are dependent on what others tell you are the facts. The government of the US is corrupt to the core all corporations curry favor with the people in power, none more so than mass media and you swallow what you are told to swallow hook line and sinker. Come back and talk to me when you think for yourself and have some credible sources.

 

[Dad2three]

[Q

You are confused.

The top 1% of income earners pays 50% of that filthy ass income tax. The top 20% pays 80%.

50% of the deadbeats in this country pay no income tax at all.

Property tax and sales taxes are mostly borne by those higher earners. All wealthy earners max out the stupid payroll tax while most Americans never pay the max. The corporate tax and most excise taxes are borne by higher earners. With the exemptions on basics like like food for the poor the higher wage earners pays the greater share on most sale taxes. The Death Tax is paid exclusively by higher earners.

The problem is this out of control country is that the cost of government is simply too high for everybody, rich and poor alike. In most families the stupid cost of government is th highest household expense, regardless of income. The combined cost of federal, state and local government is about 40% of the GNP and is a tremendous burden on all Americans. No wonder our poverty rate is increasing, the debt is skyrocketing, family income is decreasing and the gap between the rich and poor is growing because our wealth is being depleted. Our wealth is being wasted on stupid government programs that have the effect of strangling the economy.

Bottom HALF of US make 11% of ALL income in the US, average less than $15,000 PER FAMILY, a loss of almost $5,000 PER FAMILY if they kept the same share as they had pre Reaganomics

"Death taxes" are paid by those with $5.4+ million estates (EACH HUBBY/WIFE)

EVERYTHING ELSE YOU POSIT IS RIGHT WING ECHO CHAMBER BULLSHIT


And, luckily, the tax analysis group Citizens for Tax Justice keeps those numbers. So here is total taxes -- which includes corporate taxes, income taxes, payroll taxes, state sales taxes, and more -- paid by different income groups and broken into federal and state and local burdens:

As you can see, the poorer you are, the more state and local taxes bite into your income. As you get richer, those taxes recede, and you're mainly getting hit be federal taxes. So that's another lesson: When you omit state and local taxes from your analysis, you're omitting the taxes that hit lower-income taxpayers hardest.

But here is really the only tax graph you need: It's total tax burden by income group. And as you'll see, every income group is paying something, and the rich aren't paying much more, as a percentage of their incomes, then the middle class.

That's really what the American tax system looks like: Not 47 percent paying nothing, but everybody paying something, and most Americans paying between 25 percent and 30 percent of their income -- which is, by the way, a lot more the 13.9 percent Mitt Romney paid in 2011*.
The one tax graph you really need to know




May 5, 2011

U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58


The total tax burden — for all federal, state and local taxes — dropped to 23.6% of income

U.S. tax burden at lowest level since '58 - USATODAY.com


How Low Are U.S. Taxes Compared to Other Countries?

You can't help but notice your picture debate lacks so much information and even moves in 1% and 5% for top tax payers and in 20% increments for lower tax payers.

Basically, it does not show that people in the first 5 or 10% pay almost nothing in taxes and then your graph dose not show those that get welfare. If you took the value of child care, HC, food stamps, housing and other forms of welfaer collected by each group I'd wonder if the first 50% pay much of any taxes.

I get it, you HATE how it breaks out the 1%, BUT it ALSO shows the top 20% dummy


HALF OF US AVG LESS THAN $15,000 PER FAMILY, YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE BOTTOM OF THAT, THE 5%-10%??? LOL

HINT MAINLY SENIOR CITIZENS WHO HAVE PAID TAXES OR COLLEGE AGE WHO WILL!

Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households


Moreover, the vast bulk of that 9 percent goes for medical care, unemployment insurance benefits (which individuals must have a significant work history to receive), Social Security survivor benefits for the children and spouses of deceased workers, and Social Security benefits for retirees between ages 62 and 64. Seven out of the 9 percentage points go for one of these four purposes.


Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

 

[Rustic]

Albert Einstein; considered one of the brightest minds ever said;
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein
You then must be even brighter since you advise doing the same that has been done for the past seven
years and we can not only expect, but we can count on a different result.
There is another wise saying that more accurately fits your advice
"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with bullshit."
a common man

Fact, Americas debt 20 trillion
Fact, UNFUNDED LIABILITYS 120 plus trillion(not enough money in the world for this)
Fact, America has no wealth just paper, IOU,s and UNFUNDED LIABILITYS.

FACT PROGRESSIVES(republican, dems all DC'ites - same difference) are intellectual lightweights when it comes to reality, and seriously lacking common sense.

Go ahead and stand up for the federal government and its politicians and their actions... Just call it hope and change.

Fools one born every minute...

 

[Dad2three]

and any other invent that have lots of people, and they can pass the cost onto the people who carry guns.

I should think that is only right, I mean cigs are taxed to death to pay for illnesses. So people who want to own

guns can pay more since now they need to care for the wounded in these mass shootings and whatever the civil awards will be to the families that loose their family members.

Don't expect the ones who do not carry guns to foot the bill.

Does this sound fair??

Albert Einstein; considered one of the brightest minds ever said;
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Albert Einstein
You then must be even brighter since you advise doing the same that has been done for the past seven
years and we can not only expect, but we can count on a different result.
There is another wise saying that more accurately fits your advice
"If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance baffle them with bullshit."
a common man

Why do you consider Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS credible sources? Seems to me you are dependent on what others tell you are the facts. The government of the US is corrupt to the core all corporations curry favor with the people in power, none more so than mass media and you swallow what you are told to swallow hook line and sinker. Come back and talk to me we you think for yourself and have some credible sources.

Got it, "credible"would be Tea Bagger type sites right? Yep, Corp media is what the US has, that's why I don't watch much of it, I prefer NPR and PROGRESSIVE NEWS!

Thanks for TRYING TOP REFUTE ANY OF MY POSITS HOWEVER *shaking head*

 

[Avorysuds]

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We need Government to undo the damage they did in embracing supply side economics. The idea that concentrating money at the top would result in a rising economic tide that would bring prosperity and jobs to everyone was a major failure

We need to revert to previous tax rates in excess of 50% for the wealthy. Revoke tax shelters and deductions. Tax capital gains the same as earned income. Tax stock transactions

For working Americans we need to reduce the economic risk of serious health problems, provide affordable education for their children, increase wages for unskilled workers

No, we don't any of that failed shit... you people never learn.

Obama has spent m

Dueling Debt Deceptions

CONservatives "math" huh



BJ Bill's last F/Y budget ends

09/30/2001 $ 5,807,463,412,200.06

Dubya's last F/Y ends

09/30/2009, $11,909,829,003,511.75. in debt

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2014



Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits

Federal deficits and debt have been sharply higher under President Obama, but the evidence continues to show that the Great Recession, President Bush’s tax cuts, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq explain most of the deficits that have occurred on Obama’s watch — based on the latest Congressional Budget Office projections as well as legislation enacted since we last issued this analysis of what lies behind current deficits and debt.

Economic Downturn and Legacy of Bush Policies Continue to Drive Large Deficits | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Yeah but mine was from Fact check .org Dueling Debt Deceptions

 

[rightwinger]

I can't function in society
I can't succeed on my own

I need gummint to help me
I need gummint to make me succeed

Suck a tit, loser
Food stamps and SSI are easier to get than ever before. Take it and move back to your trailer

Government acts like a referee

All we want from them is calling a fair game. Since Reagan, they have not called any fouls on the rich. The points per game have gone up, but the game is decidedly lopsided