We Knew this was coming.

[SFC Ollie]

When I started the Physical Test was 5 events, and women were not in the regular Army, they were still WACS (Womens Army Corps)

Run Dodge and Jump
Inverted crawl
Horizontal ladder
Pushups
1 Mile run.

You had no more than 2 or 3 minutes in between events less if there was a small number being tested.

When I retired the test was 3 events and women had a lower standard than men.

2 minutes of sit ups
2 minutes of push ups
2 mile run.......

I have heard they are looking at sprints more than distance running, and that actually makes some sense.

 

[gallantwarrior]

When I started the Physical Test was 5 events, and women were not in the regular Army, they were still WACS (Womens Army Corps)

Run Dodge and Jump
Inverted crawl
Horizontal ladder
Pushups
1 Mile run.

You had no more than 2 or 3 minutes in between events less if there was a small number being tested.

When I retired the test was 3 events and women had a lower standard than men.

2 minutes of sit ups
2 minutes of push ups
2 mile run.......

I have heard they are looking at sprints more than distance running, and that actually makes some sense.

Same story here, except we had something called a 'shuttle run' instead of the inverted crawl.

 

[whitehall]

Here we go. The Klinton's pushed the first female carrier pilot trainee way past her capabilities and she finally killed herself in the "worst attempt at a carrier landing in history" but the Klintons managed to gag the Navy and portray Navy pilot Kara Hultgren's death as an equipment malfunction.

 

[earlycuyler]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

 

[SFC Ollie]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

Actually they just approved a female specific Body Armor. Go figure........

 

[syrenn]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

it is always wrong to lower any standard to allow those who cant pass for what ever reason, to pass.

the ideal is (or should be) to raise the bar not lower it.

in my opinion if the women want to do what the men are doing, then there should be no issue for them to do just that... pass the SAME tests, come up to the same standards as the men.

I have seen it done.

so have i.

And its wrong on every level. Well, except for the ones wanting something they do not deserve.

 

[AmyNation]

When I started the Physical Test was 5 events, and women were not in the regular Army, they were still WACS (Womens Army Corps)

Run Dodge and Jump
Inverted crawl
Horizontal ladder
Pushups
1 Mile run.

You had no more than 2 or 3 minutes in between events less if there was a small number being tested.

When I retired the test was 3 events and women had a lower standard than men.

2 minutes of sit ups
2 minutes of push ups
2 mile run.......

I have heard they are looking at sprints more than distance running, and that actually makes some sense.

In basic, it makes sense for men and women to have different physical standards. What is healthily and fit for a man is different than what is fit and healthily for a woman.

 

[Big Black Dog]

I agree, SFC Ollie. It's a very sad thing. I truly believe that women have a place in the military BUT I strongly disagree about putting them in combat situations. Sorry. I'm "old school".

 

[SFC Ollie]

I'll never forget the first time I saw a woman marching in Class A's with the men. I actually thought some guy had forgotten his pants.....(In my defense I had just left an all male unit and hadn't seen women in the regular Army up until then, and the formation was close to 100 yards away from me.....)

 

[earlycuyler]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

Actually they just approved a female specific Body Armor. Go figure........

That stuff I can understand, but the whole idea was EQUALITY. If women are going to go to combat, they need to be able to haul the combat load. The WHOLE load. I dont know, I just dont see this lasting to long.

 

[Oldguy]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

Actually they just approved a female specific Body Armor. Go figure........

That's not hard to "figure" out. Women have tits. Men don't....or, shouldn't at least.

 

[Oldguy]

The Army periodically changes just about everything, including the PT test (APFT to younger folks. See? They've even changed the name of it!). Just because they are looking at changing it does not necessarily mean they're going to reduce the standards.

My advice? Don't get your shorts in a knot until you see the new standards.

 

[earlycuyler]

When I started the Physical Test was 5 events, and women were not in the regular Army, they were still WACS (Womens Army Corps)

Run Dodge and Jump
Inverted crawl
Horizontal ladder
Pushups
1 Mile run.

You had no more than 2 or 3 minutes in between events less if there was a small number being tested.

When I retired the test was 3 events and women had a lower standard than men.

2 minutes of sit ups
2 minutes of push ups
2 mile run.......

I have heard they are looking at sprints more than distance running, and that actually makes some sense.

In basic, it makes sense for men and women to have different physical standards. What is healthily and fit for a man is different than what is fit and healthily for a woman.

Its not so much healthy and fit. When I was in the Navy I was not helthy or fit, but I passed my PRT's with a hangover and as a 2 pack a day smoker. Yes, women did much better on those then me in most cases, and if needed, im pretty sure they would have been able to haul my carcase up or down stairs or what ever. Soldiers need to carry gear,, weapons and ammo. If they cant carry their share then they are not a team member, but a liability.

 

[earlycuyler]

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

Actually they just approved a female specific Body Armor. Go figure........

That's not hard to "figure" out. Women have tits. Men don't....or, shouldn't at least.

Yeah, so next will be uniforms that make the boobs a vague suggestion.

 

[gallantwarrior]

When I started the Physical Test was 5 events, and women were not in the regular Army, they were still WACS (Womens Army Corps)

Run Dodge and Jump
Inverted crawl
Horizontal ladder
Pushups
1 Mile run.

You had no more than 2 or 3 minutes in between events less if there was a small number being tested.

When I retired the test was 3 events and women had a lower standard than men.

2 minutes of sit ups
2 minutes of push ups
2 mile run.......

I have heard they are looking at sprints more than distance running, and that actually makes some sense.

In basic, it makes sense for men and women to have different physical standards. What is healthily and fit for a man is different than what is fit and healthily for a woman.

Sure. But is it healthy for a 98 lb woman to carry the same 80 lbs of equipment that a 110 lb man? Do you honestly think a situation like that won't impact combat efficiency? And if she isn't carrying the same basic issue, how is that 'fair'?

 

[gallantwarrior]

It is just stupid. Next will be gender neutral uniforms.

Actually they just approved a female specific Body Armor. Go figure........

That stuff I can understand, but the whole idea was EQUALITY. If women are going to go to combat, they need to be able to haul the combat load. The WHOLE load. I dont know, I just dont see this lasting to long.

I have no problem with women in combat roles, as long as they can meet the same standards the men do. We should not lower standards in order to accommodate some social engineer's idea of "equality" or "fairness". Combat units, more than any other military unit, have a very dangerous job to do and any weak link is a liability, a deadly liability. There are many different career paths available to women in the military where their strengths are an asset. Let's all grow up and be realistic, men and women are not physically equal in most cases. Let's stop pretending they are and start exploiting their differences.

 

[editec]

Maintain the same high standards and allow women to try to make it.

Men fail all the time, why not let women fail too?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Maintain the same high standards and allow women to try to make it.

Men fail all the time, why not let women fail too?

Exactly.

 

[High_Gravity]

U.S. Army trainers will soon lead an effort to create gender-neutral physical standards for all soldiers as part of a plan to allow women to serve in infantry, Special Forces and other combat arms jobs.
Army Submits Plan to Open Combat Jobs for Women | Military.com


Translation: We will now lower the standards for everyone so that women can qualify the same as the men, who won't have to work as hard as they used to.

Ladies and gentlemen, for the first time I can honestly say that's not my military and I'm glad I'm out........

This is just one more step in the downward spiral of this once great country....

It's sad.

In about 20 years Sarge the men and women in the service will be showering and bunking together, I think we discussed this a while back.

 

[High_Gravity]

I mean, I knew that I could pass the Mens Physical Fitness test....I never maxed it, But I never failed it either. But I also knew that I would fail the Ranger course.

In a few years me and you could both walk past the Ranger course Sarge.