We KNEW it would happen sooner or later.. Vegas victim suing

Not the same as making something as an add-on whose sole purpose is to make something else illegal.
Dude!!!!

Did you read the fucking letter from the ATF????

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:lol:

They DO NOT make a gun illegal.

But, I want machine guns anyway. I say we repeal all gun control laws and force all states to do the same.
:banana:
 
No bump stocks do not make a rifle illegal.
Oh No, not the gun bully! Here, let me wave the 2nd Amendment in your face then tear it up so you can really GO APESHIT!!!! :lmao:

I never bullied anyone but I'm sure you have.

But please show off your legal prowess and explain to us all how a legal accessory made a legal rifle illegal.

But let me go make some popcorn first. I find it goes well with comedy.
I won't be able to say anything to you that will make you see some sense and try to do something about all the mass shootings. You're fucking hopeless as a human being.

So you can't tell me how a legal accessory made a legal rifle illegal?

It should be easy for you if your brain is half the size of your mouth
You already know, but just want to make a fool out of yourself trying to rationalize it. YAWN!

No I don't know how a LEGAL accessory makes a LEGAL rifle illegal.

Explain it. You're the expert so present your case.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
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Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Bump stock manufacturers for sure should be sued. They made a product that turned something illegal. People need to take responsibility for what they put out there. But I bet they won't.


Why? Do you sue General Motors or Ford or Toyota when someone gets behind the wheel of a car drunk and kills someone else?
Not the same as making something as an add-on whose sole purpose is to make something else illegal.

Except the bump-stock doesn't make anything illegal.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
Its LEGAL
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
and technically it doesnt turn one into a machine gun. It SIMULATES it. Unless we need to change the definition of another word so people can pursue agenda.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
Because people carrying in bags at a hotel is something more rare than 7.2 magnitude earthquakes?
BS. You get on a plane, a machine. You get into my office ... a machine.

For fucks sake you got over a million bucks in a casino .. how can a guy get 20 guns inside? Don't get me wrong. My house is armed. My car is armed when I'm not at work.... where you best not be armed.

But if I go to a casino, I want to see rent a cops and security machines.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
Because people carrying in bags at a hotel is something more rare than 7.2 magnitude earthquakes?
BS. You get on a plane, a machine. You get into my office ... a machine.

For fucks sake you got over a million bucks in a casino .. how can a guy get 20 guns inside? Don't get me wrong. My house is armed. My car is armed when I'm not at work.... where you best not be armed.

But if I go to a casino, I want to see rent a cops and security machines.
so you think they are liable because they didnt meet your standards?
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
Because people carrying in bags at a hotel is something more rare than 7.2 magnitude earthquakes?
BS. You get on a plane, a machine. You get into my office ... a machine.

For fucks sake you got over a million bucks in a casino .. how can a guy get 20 guns inside? Don't get me wrong. My house is armed. My car is armed when I'm not at work.... where you best not be armed.

But if I go to a casino, I want to see rent a cops and security machines.
so you think they are liable because they didnt meet your standards?
Ah well the question is whether my standards or your standards are reasonable. I think you're nuts.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
Because people carrying in bags at a hotel is something more rare than 7.2 magnitude earthquakes?
BS. You get on a plane, a machine. You get into my office ... a machine.

For fucks sake you got over a million bucks in a casino .. how can a guy get 20 guns inside? Don't get me wrong. My house is armed. My car is armed when I'm not at work.... where you best not be armed.

But if I go to a casino, I want to see rent a cops and security machines.
so you think they are liable because they didnt meet your standards?
Ah well the question is whether my standards or your standards are reasonable. I think you're nuts.
No, thats not the question. The question, how is the hotel liable for what that madman did?
 
No the hotel is literally liable if it did not take "reasonable" steps to protect patrons from dangers it has a reason to expect. In today's sad world, a hotel should expect nuts to kill people. So, if the guy killed any Mandalay Bay patrons, imo they should be settling any suits. Literally, I was absolutely shocked the hotel didn't have firearm screening at entrances where guests came it. If they get sued to bankruptcy, I got no sympathy.

There is a fly in the ointment. The guy shot from the hotel to an outside location. The hotel does not have the same legal duty to people not on their property and paying for the right to be on that property.
 
Las Vegas shooting: Lawsuit filed as new questions raised over timeline - CNN
California college student injured in the Las Vegas music festival massacre filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the hotel owners, the concert promoter and bump stock manufacturers, claiming they were all liable in the mass shooting.

The claims against MGM Resorts International, which owns both Mandalay Bay and the concert venue that hosted the festival, raise more questions about a timeline that has changed numerous times -- and, according to Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo, could change again. The suit also questions why hotel staff didn't notice the shooter's behavior in several instances.
Specifically, the lawsuit accuses MGM, of failing to respond in a timely manner to the "shooting of Mandalay Bay security officer Jesus Campos, who had gone to the 32nd floor to check on an alert from another guest room and who was shot six minutes prior to" the massacre beginning.
The lawsuit, which also names the shooter's estate and other entities, comes as an MGM employee says he owes his life to Campos' heroism, and as Lombardo tells the local newspaper that he refuses "to say that somebody dropped the ball."
---
Frivolous bullshit.
I bet she was in tears of joy before she even felt the blood coming out.
Dont even know the motive and already there are law suits.... SMH
Pathetic
I hope the judge throws it out and forces to her to pay everyones legal fees like they did an aurora victims mother.
My Daughter Was Murdered in a Mass Shooting. Then I Was Ordered to Pay Her Killer’s Gun Dealer. – Mother Jones
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
Its LEGAL
WELL IT SHOULDN'T BE!
 
No the hotel is literally liable if it did not take "reasonable" steps to protect patrons from dangers it has a reason to expect. In today's sad world, a hotel should expect nuts to kill people. So, if the guy killed any Mandalay Bay patrons, imo they should be settling any suits. Literally, I was absolutely shocked the hotel didn't have firearm screening at entrances where guests came it. If they get sued to bankruptcy, I got no sympathy.

There is a fly in the ointment. The guy shot from the hotel to an outside location. The hotel does not have the same legal duty to people not on their property and paying for the right to be on that property.
I'm going to be signing into a hotel tonight. We'll see if they rifle through my suitcase or if I'm sent through a metal detector.
 
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
Its LEGAL
WELL IT SHOULDN'T BE!
yeah, how can bump stocks be legal? The NRA is now for "regulating" them. I had no idea stuff like that still existed. I'm pretty pro-gun but those things have no legit use.
 
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
Because people carrying in bags at a hotel is something more rare than 7.2 magnitude earthquakes?
BS. You get on a plane, a machine. You get into my office ... a machine.

For fucks sake you got over a million bucks in a casino .. how can a guy get 20 guns inside? Don't get me wrong. My house is armed. My car is armed when I'm not at work.... where you best not be armed.

But if I go to a casino, I want to see rent a cops and security machines.
so you think they are liable because they didnt meet your standards?
Ah well the question is whether my standards or your standards are reasonable. I think you're nuts.
No, thats not the question. The question, how is the hotel liable for what that madman did?
Well, legally you are mistaken.
 
Well yeah, but riddle me this ... in this day and age, how does somebody get 20 guns into a hotel room? This wasn't one drunk hitting another one and MGM getting sued for not enough rent a cops.
What do you mean, "these days?" I've never noticed any additional security at hotels. I don't think it's the hotel's fault. It IS the bump stocks' fault though. Hope they lose their shirt.
Lol how is it their fault? I mean, really..
If they wanted to sell something like that to licensed target ranges and made sure that those fucking things weren't allowed off the range under ANY circumstances, fine. It turns a semi into a machine gun. And don't say it doesn't. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a DUCK.
Its LEGAL
WELL IT SHOULDN'T BE!
But your feels arent grounds for suing. Sorry. Maybe in 50 years when the bedwetters take complete control
 

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