We Finally Know the Case Against Trump, and It Is Strong

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Also if the NDA was any personal benefit to Trump it couldn't legally be a campaign expense.

That's false. A campaign expense is defined by something that helps the campaign. The other traits do not matter.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So Cohens felonies are not the only crimes Trump concealed. He also was attempting to conceal tax fraud. So State crimes are in play.

What tax fraud?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's false. A campaign expense is defined by something that helps the campaign. The other traits do not matter.

Proper Use of Campaign Funds and Resources

Below is a condensed version of this topic. For complete guidance please refer to the House Ethics Manual, Chapter 4 on campaign activity.

ethics.house.gov

Are you sure?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What tax fraud?

Cohen filed false returns and claimed the grossed up reimbursement payments as income. Also possibly: claiming the false filed business expenses on the State corporate tax return.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yep.


Claiming the falsey filed business expenses on the State corporate tax return.

Payments for NDAs are usually tax deductible.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Payments for NDAs are usually tax deductible.

Not when you lie on a tax return and say they are something else. Like claiming they are legal fees for services not actually rendered, pursuant to a retainer agreement that doesn't actually exist.

And the pointabout Cohen is more important (see edit above)

 

[OKTexas]

If Trump was charged with campaign finance under federal law. That would be true.

However Trump wasn’t charged under federal law. Trump coming up with another excuse is irrelevant since it was Cohen that was convicted for campaign finance.

Trump charged under state law for felony business records falsification to hide Cohen’s crime.

WW

Cohen's plea deal notwithstanding, if Trump benefited personally in ANY WAY from the NDA, it by law COULD NOT be a legitimate campaign expense. Choen committed no crime, well except lying under oath to help the DOJ try to get Trump. There was no crime to cover up.

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[Toddsterpatriot]

Not when you lie on a tax return and say they are something else. Like claiming they are legal fees for services not actually rendered, pursuant to a retainer agreement that doesn't actually exist.

And the pointabout Cohen is more important (see edit above)

Not when you lie on a tax return and say they are something else.

Calling a tax-deductible NDA payment a tax-deductible legal expense is tax fraud?

Seems kinda weak.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Cohen's plea deal notwithstanding, if Trump benefited personally in ANY WAY from the NDA, it by law COULD NOT be a legitimate campaign expense. Choen committed no crime, well except lying under oath to help the DOJ try to get Trump. There was no crime to cover up.

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Sorry, but that's moot. Cohen's felonies are a matter of record, not of debate. Bragg can enter them into the record as facts, completely unchallenged.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Cohen filed false returns and claimed the grossed up reimbursement payments as income. Also possibly: claiming the false filed business expenses on the State corporate tax return.

Cohen filed false returns and claimed the grossed up reimbursement payments as income

So, Cohen paid more tax or less tax?

 

[OKTexas]

Sorry, but that's moot. Cohen's felonies are a matter of record, not of debate. Bragg can enter them into the record as facts, completely unchallenged.

No the plea deal is a matter of record, it will be easy to prove he lied for a lesser sentence, there was no trial.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not when you lie on a tax return and say they are something else.

Calling a tax-deductible NDA payment a tax-deductible legal expense is tax fraud?

Seems kinda weak.

Not when you lie on a tax return and say they are something else.

Calling a tax-deductible NDA payment a tax-deductible legal expense is tax fraud?

Seems kinda weak.

Yes, lying on your tax return is tax fraud. Whoda thunk it?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Cohen filed false returns and claimed the grossed up reimbursement payments as income

So, Cohen paid more tax or less tax?

I am not your assistant. Answer your own question, then make a point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, lying on your tax return is tax fraud. Whoda thunk it?

Did the lie result in underpayment of taxes?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I am not your assistant. Answer your own question, then make a point.

Looks like Cohen paid more taxes.

Give him a couple of more years!!!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Looks like Cohen paid more taxes.

Trump paid those taxes. Thus the "gross up" of the reimbursement payments.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump paid those taxes. Thus the "gross up" of the reimbursement payments.

Cohen claimed more income, paid more taxes.

Give him a couple of more years!!!!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Cohen claimed more income, paid more taxes.

Give him a couple of more years!!!!

He served his time for the tax and campaign finance felonies. As it turns out, the law doesn't much care that he paid more taxes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He served his time for the tax and campaign finance felonies. As it turns out, the law doesn't much care that he paid more taxes.

He served his time for the tax and campaign finance felonies.

Yes, his actual tax fraud was criminal.
Paying a bimbo.....not part of his tax fraud case.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

He served his time for the tax and campaign finance felonies.

Yes, his actual tax fraud was criminal.
Paying a bimbo.....not part of his tax fraud case

Yep.