Way To Go Hamas

[Coyote]

And they keep building settlements and allowing illegal settlements to stay....what steps towards a permenent solution has Isreal taken since Bibi's been in office?

So much for "proving" they want permanent lasting peace. The impression I have is they just want to support the status quo and quietly continue to gobble up the land until a two state solution is utterly impossible and the Palestinians are reduced to a permanent semi-autonomous region under military rule.

So would this mean that palestinian homes built in Isreal are also illegal settlements ?

That depends on Israeli law. Israel is not Occupied Territory. If they are illegal - Israel usually demolishes them.

It's land that belongs to all of those people and they have to learn to share it. The settlements are wrong.

And there is the problem, the palestinians refuse to share the land, and even if the negotiate a peace they will remove every Jew from palestine,

It's not just the Palestinians.

Historical data shows that you are wrong,

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

and are relying on islamonazi propaganda for you information.

Grow up Phoenall. Not everything you disagree with is "islamonazi propoganda".

Exactlt what have the palestinians done in the last 66 years to show they are prepared to talk peace and mutual borders. Every peace talks they throw the same pre conditions on the table and refuse to budge from that starting point, is it any wonder that Israel is just refusing to meet with them now

Israel has consistently demanded it's own pre-conditions and refused to budge. We've been down this road before.

Well then would you care to educate us to all of the Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization?

That has nothing to do with what I just said, you are simply deflecting.

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

 

[Coyote]

And they keep building settlements and allowing illegal settlements to stay....what steps towards a permenent solution has Isreal taken since Bibi's been in office?

So much for "proving" they want permanent lasting peace. The impression I have is they just want to support the status quo and quietly continue to gobble up the land until a two state solution is utterly impossible and the Palestinians are reduced to a permanent semi-autonomous region under military rule.

So would this mean that palestinian homes built in Isreal are also illegal settlements ?

That depends on Israeli law. Israel is not Occupied Territory. If they are illegal - Israel usually demolishes them.

It's land that belongs to all of those people and they have to learn to share it. The settlements are wrong.

And there is the problem, the palestinians refuse to share the land, and even if the negotiate a peace they will remove every Jew from palestine,

It's not just the Palestinians.

Historical data shows that you are wrong,

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

and are relying on islamonazi propaganda for you information.

Grow up Phoenall. Not everything you disagree with is "islamonazi propoganda".

Exactlt what have the palestinians done in the last 66 years to show they are prepared to talk peace and mutual borders. Every peace talks they throw the same pre conditions on the table and refuse to budge from that starting point, is it any wonder that Israel is just refusing to meet with them now

Israel has consistently demanded it's own pre-conditions and refused to budge. We've been down this road before.

If it comes out of palestine then it is islamonazi propaganda


None that are illegal or destined to bring a halt to the talks.

Back to the childish islamonazi propaganda. What do you call Israeli propoganda? Zionazi propaganda?

 

[Phoenall]

So would this mean that palestinian homes built in Isreal are also illegal settlements ?

That depends on Israeli law. Israel is not Occupied Territory. If they are illegal - Israel usually demolishes them.

And there is the problem, the palestinians refuse to share the land, and even if the negotiate a peace they will remove every Jew from palestine,

It's not just the Palestinians.

Historical data shows that you are wrong,

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

and are relying on islamonazi propaganda for you information.

Grow up Phoenall. Not everything you disagree with is "islamonazi propoganda".

Exactlt what have the palestinians done in the last 66 years to show they are prepared to talk peace and mutual borders. Every peace talks they throw the same pre conditions on the table and refuse to budge from that starting point, is it any wonder that Israel is just refusing to meet with them now

Israel has consistently demanded it's own pre-conditions and refused to budge. We've been down this road before.

Well then would you care to educate us to all of the Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization?

That has nothing to do with what I just said, you are simply deflecting.

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

WHAT PRE CONDITIONS that are not enshrined in International law

 

[Phoenall]

So would this mean that palestinian homes built in Isreal are also illegal settlements ?

That depends on Israeli law. Israel is not Occupied Territory. If they are illegal - Israel usually demolishes them.

And there is the problem, the palestinians refuse to share the land, and even if the negotiate a peace they will remove every Jew from palestine,

It's not just the Palestinians.

Historical data shows that you are wrong,

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

and are relying on islamonazi propaganda for you information.

Grow up Phoenall. Not everything you disagree with is "islamonazi propoganda".

Exactlt what have the palestinians done in the last 66 years to show they are prepared to talk peace and mutual borders. Every peace talks they throw the same pre conditions on the table and refuse to budge from that starting point, is it any wonder that Israel is just refusing to meet with them now

Israel has consistently demanded it's own pre-conditions and refused to budge. We've been down this road before.

If it comes out of palestine then it is islamonazi propaganda


None that are illegal or destined to bring a halt to the talks.

Back to the childish islamonazi propaganda. What do you call Israeli propoganda? Zionazi propaganda?

No Israeli propaganda, but it is so thin on the ground you have to go a long way to find some.

By the way Zion and Nazi are polar opposittes so your made up word has no meaning and no basis in truth. Whereas islam was the foundation for nazism and it took many of islams aparthied and racist laws for its own use. The grand mufti even arranged for islamonazi troops to fight alongside the Germans as they held the same ideals.

 

[teddyearp]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

 

[MJB12741]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

 

[MJB12741]

So would this mean that palestinian homes built in Isreal are also illegal settlements ?

That depends on Israeli law. Israel is not Occupied Territory. If they are illegal - Israel usually demolishes them.

And there is the problem, the palestinians refuse to share the land, and even if the negotiate a peace they will remove every Jew from palestine,

It's not just the Palestinians.

Historical data shows that you are wrong,

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

and are relying on islamonazi propaganda for you information.

Grow up Phoenall. Not everything you disagree with is "islamonazi propoganda".

Exactlt what have the palestinians done in the last 66 years to show they are prepared to talk peace and mutual borders. Every peace talks they throw the same pre conditions on the table and refuse to budge from that starting point, is it any wonder that Israel is just refusing to meet with them now

Israel has consistently demanded it's own pre-conditions and refused to budge. We've been down this road before.

Well then would you care to educate us to all of the Palestinian contributions to peace, mankind & civilization?

That has nothing to do with what I just said, you are simply deflecting.

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

I agree Bibi has been a disaster for peace. Who in their right mind makes peace offerings to Palestinians, builds a security fence & grants them their own land to keep them in Israel when the Palestinians want to be free from Israel? No Arab leader ever treated the Palestinians like Bibi does. Want peace? First Bibi has to go. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

 

[Coyote]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

 

[MJB12741]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

Bibi has done everything wrong for peace from Palestinians. Peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel. When will he ever learn from Jordan's king Hussein who knew how to establish peace from Palestinians?

 

[Coyote]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

Bibi has done everything wrong for peace from Palestinians. Peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can remain in Israel. When will he ever learn from Jordan's king Hussein who knew how to establish peace from Palestinians?

What specifically has Bibi done?

 

[Phoenall]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

 

[Phoenall]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

It is only in recent years that Israel has went in with an agenda based on CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW as it applies to Israel. So their "pre conditions " are actually addendum brought in before the negotiations start. The one that is the most controversial to team Palestine is the recognition of Israel as THE JEWISH STATE, which Arafat had already done. All they are asking is for a reaffirmation of the letters of recognition and the P.A.s acceptance of fact.
The Palestinians go in and demand that illegal conditions be met before they will even think about any negotiations. So the talks are halted even before they begin when the Palestinian representative demands the pre conditions be met. The Israeli contingent sit there and shrug their shoulders, then say what is the point.
The Israelis agree to all peace talks and turn up with initial proposals that are just a starting point for negotiations, how many times has any Palestinian faction refused to meet and just ignored repeated requests by the International community. The next Israeli P.M. might give in to the Palestinians and go down in history as the mass murderer of Jews

 

[P F Tinmore]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

 

[MJB12741]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

LOL! Get serious for a chage. No way will Israel allow Hamas a long term "truce" so Hamas can build up more weapons to kill more Israeli's.

 

[teddyearp]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

Please re-read the first part of my second sentence and see how that applies to the first sentence of your reply (especially the part in parenthesis). Guess you missed it. I am in agreement.

Then re read the rest of my question. It was really a simple yes or no question. Your answer please? Yes or no?

 

[Coyote]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

Please re-read the first part of my second sentence and see how that applies to the first sentence of your reply (especially the part in parenthesis). Guess you missed it. I am in agreement.

Then re read the rest of my question. It was really a simple yes or no question. Your answer please? Yes or no?

The simple part: Yes

The less simple part: the post in which I initially responded to (not yours) which laid all the blame on the Palestinians.

 

[Coyote]

Israel sets pre-conditions and refuses to budge. Palestinians set pre-conditions and refuse to budge.

Israel shows no interest towards peace.

Bibi has done zip towards moving closer to a permanent sustainable peace.

Interesting that you glaringly left something out here. In your first sentence you state the facts, but from then on you lay all the blame on Israel. If both sides refuse to budge, would it not be fair to say that the Palestinians and Abbas/Hamas show no interest towards peace either and have done nothing towards moving closer?

Everyone keeps claiming that the Palestinians keep setting pre-conditions, but ignore the fact that Israel does the same (which you never seem to mention). None of these preconditions are conducive to negotiating peace.

Second - everyone, including you, keep blaming the Palestinians for lack of progress but it isn't just the Palestinians, it's Israel's actions or lack there of, that are contributing to this as well. You never seem to bring that up either.

Since Netyanahu has been in power - what specific steps has he taken to move the process forward? He seems quite happy to keep the status quo. Sharon did more than Bibi in regards to this which leads me to think Bibi does not truly desire peace and feels if he stalls long enough Israel will get everything and the Palestinians left with a permanent occupation/semi-automous status which will not reduce violence.

It is only in recent years that Israel has went in with an agenda based on CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW as it applies to Israel. So their "pre conditions " are actually addendum brought in before the negotiations start. The one that is the most controversial to team Palestine is the recognition of Israel as THE JEWISH STATE, which Arafat had already done. All they are asking is for a reaffirmation of the letters of recognition and the P.A.s acceptance of fact.
The Palestinians go in and demand that illegal conditions be met before they will even think about any negotiations. So the talks are halted even before they begin when the Palestinian representative demands the pre conditions be met. The Israeli contingent sit there and shrug their shoulders, then say what is the point.
The Israelis agree to all peace talks and turn up with initial proposals that are just a starting point for negotiations, how many times has any Palestinian faction refused to meet and just ignored repeated requests by the International community. The next Israeli P.M. might give in to the Palestinians and go down in history as the mass murderer of Jews

Israel has always set pre conditions. They call it "pre conditions for peace". Whatever they call it - it is pre conditions and effectively halts the peace process.

 

[Hossfly]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

LOL! Get serious for a chage. No way will Israel allow Hamas a long term "truce" so Hamas can build up more weapons to kill more Israeli's.

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

LOL! Get serious for a chage. No way will Israel allow Hamas a long term "truce" so Hamas can build up more weapons to kill more Israeli's.

No more hudna BS!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

LOL! Get serious for a chage. No way will Israel allow Hamas a long term "truce" so Hamas can build up more weapons to kill more Israeli's.

Seems to me it should be the Palestinians making peace offerings to Israel instead of the other way around.

The Palestinians have made peace offers many times.

LINK from a reliable non partisan source ?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/01/opinion/01yousef.html?_r=0

LOL! Get serious for a chage. No way will Israel allow Hamas a long term "truce" so Hamas can build up more weapons to kill more Israeli's.

No more hudna BS!

There is an upside. If you can have a few years of peace you can enter negotiations with a more positive attitude than if you are shooting at each other.

We have gone nowhere for decades. Why would we want to stay on the same track?