Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

[watchingfromafar]

Shootings never stopped during the pandemic: 2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades​

In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.
2020 gun violence: Even with fewer mass shootings, last year was deadliest in decades - The Washington Post
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[watchingfromafar]

Banning guns from town never happened anywhere at any time, and would obviously be illegal and foolish, since then you would have no guns to counter armed criminals. The reason police have guns is because all citizens can be armed, so if you ban all guns, the police can not be armed any more.

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.
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[Rigby5]

Shootings never stopped during the pandemic: 2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades​

In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.
2020 gun violence: Even with fewer mass shootings, last year was deadliest in decades - The Washington Post
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No one is "killed" in a suicide.
If we had a fair and just society, there would be no violence no matter what weapons were available.
Why do you want to prevent making society fair and just?

 

[Rigby5]

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.
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You can quote liars all you want and it just proves you have low personal ethics.
Dodge City, Tombstone, etc. NEVER had laws against people being armed.
You simply are quoting a lie.
And in fact, where there were attempts to confiscate weapons, like by the Earps in Tombstone, the Earps were eventually run out of town.

 

[Concerned American]

Self defense from what, another guy carrying a gun-?
If guns were not allowed in public places the problem above would not exists.
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Guns are illegal in the UK, Canada and Mexico--how do you explain their gun fatalities. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

 

[Concerned American]

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,”

For how long--a year while the Earps were there? Cherry pick some more bullshit.

 

[watchingfromafar]

For how long--a year while the Earps were there? Cherry pick some more bullshit.

You seem to have an excuse for everything.
At least you are here on a talk board instead of beating the homeless for their shoes.

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[watchingfromafar]

For how long--

At least now I know why you have a statue of a child playing with his thingee.

Cause you do it toooo & do not expect us to guess how long you play with your thingee
This is not a guessing game.

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[Concerned American]

At least now I know why you have a statue of a child playing with his thingee.

If you weren't so ignorant, you would know that statue is performing a biological function that unless you have a urinary drain, you perform every day multiple times--or maybe you're jerking yourself around like you are trying to jerk us around. The statue is in Brussels Belgium and is somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 years old. Investigate Petit Julien or Mannequen Pis then you won't sound so ignorant--maybe

At least you are here on a talk board instead of beating the homeless for their shoes.

Only an ignorant fuck such as you would draw a parallel between being called out for cherry picking bullshit to make a point and beating the homeless. Your problem is obvious, pull your head out of your ass and look around or at least clean your stomach window.

 

[2aguy]

Self defense from what, another guy carrying a gun-?
If guns were not allowed in public places the problem above would not exists.
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Are you this dumb in real life or only when you post..........

92% of violent crime against Americans do not involve the use of guns........that means rapes, beatings, stabbings, robberies and murders committed with everything but a gun...

A male does not need a gun to rape a woman, rape an elderly person, and small groups of attackers can beat and kill single men....

There was a time when guns did not exist.....and the strong murdered, raped, and enslaved the weak....guns changed that......the strong could be defeated with 5-12 pounds of pressure on the trigger of a gun...ending their monopoly over the weak....

One moment, please...

 

[2aguy]

Shootings never stopped during the pandemic: 2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades​

In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.
2020 gun violence: Even with fewer mass shootings, last year was deadliest in decades - The Washington Post
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The Gun Violence Archive lies about basic information on gun crime, you idiot.....

The reason more people died by guns in 2020 was idiots like you attacked the police and they stopped doing their jobs.....

Meanwhile, the 27 years before 2015, the year you morons began destroying the police in this country....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

1) the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders...they have created a revolving door for criminals who use guns, and will release even the most serious gun offenders over and over again....why? Probably because they realise that normal people don't use their guns for crime, so if they want to push gun control, they need criminals to shoot people.....so they keep releasing them....

2) The democrat party keeps attacking the police.....driving the officers into not doing pro-active policing, cutting detective forces so that murders go unsolved..........

 

[2aguy]

Shootings never stopped during the pandemic: 2020 was the deadliest gun violence year in decades​

In 2020, gun violence killed nearly 20,000 Americans, according to data from the Gun Violence Archive, more than any other year in at least two decades. An additional 24,000 people died by suicide with a gun.
2020 gun violence: Even with fewer mass shootings, last year was deadliest in decades - The Washington Post
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Media Stokes Fear of Mass Shootings With Misleading Info

GVA defines a “mass shooting” as four fatal or nonfatal injuries (excluding the shooter) which occur anywhere for any reason. This lumps in drive-byes, gang fights, and the occasional domestic incident with the Boulder and Atlanta shootings.
That’s a useful metric — if you want to make mass shootings seem far more prevalent than they actually are.
Mother Jones (of all places) actually has a far more useful metric, which is that to be counted the incident needs three or more fatalities (excluding the shooter) must happen in public and must be indiscriminate — meaning it excludes armed robberies, gang or domestic violence, etc.
According to a 2018 RAND study — using those metrics — in 2015, GVA claims there were 332 mass shootings in the us. Using the more restrictive — and more accurate — Mother Jones criteria there were … seven.
Folks, this is nothing but fear mongering using statistics to lie.
Mass shootings of the sort we’re discussing are vanishingly rare — which is why they’re reported on, note; no one reports on the millions of flights a day that land safely, just the ones that don’t — but it’s useful to those who would control you to pretend it’s not so. A little dose of reality.

In 2018 there were 39,740 deaths in which being shot was the proximate cause. Sixty-one percent of those were suicide, 35.1% were homicides, and data from 1982-2018 compiled from CDC and Mother Jones show 0.2% of deaths by firearm were public mass shootings.
You are, generally speaking, safe. Your kids are, generally speaking, safe at school.

 

[2aguy]

"Tombstone had much more restrictive laws on carrying guns in public in the 1880s than it has today,” Same goes for most of the New West, to varying degrees, in the once-rowdy frontier towns of Nevada, Kansas, Montana, and South Dakota.

Dodge City, Kansas, formed a municipal government in 1878. According to Stephen Aron, a professor of history at UCLA, the first law passed was one prohibiting the carry of guns in town, likely by civic leaders and influential merchants who wanted people to move there, Cultivating a reputation of peace and stability was necessary, even in boisterous towns, if it were to become anything more transient than a one-industry boom town.

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.
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And again, the criminals ignored those laws........and still murdered people with their guns.....One Earp was murdered the other maimed in Tombstone...and the Shoot Out at the O.K. Corral happened because the Cowboy's refused to surrender their guns....you doofus..

Most of the gun control laws in the Old West, if they existed at all, had nothing to do with confiscation or restrictions on gun type. They had more to do with gun use by restricting and prohibiting firing pistols in city streets. And, while few opponents of gun control today would object to limitations on discharging firearms in a busy intersection, gun control laws of this extent were largely unheard of in most American cities. In fact, they were even unusual in the Old West, and using the gun control ordinance from Tombstone as an example, they were proven ineffective.
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There were other frontier towns with gun control restrictions similar to Tombstone. Most made it unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person any deadly weapon within the limits of said city, without first obtaining a permit in writing. But, in those towns, as in Tombstone, in the closest equivalents to a “gun-free zone” in the 19th century, such gun control measures did little to stem gun violence, and likely provoked the infamous kerfuffle at the O.K. Corral.
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Lots of guns, not a lot of crime​

Mass violence, like what took place at the O.K. Corral, was actually infrequent. Moreover, the Old West reputation for lawlessness is unwarranted, despite, at times, an elevated number of homicides.

Crime such as rape and robberies occurred at a much lower rate than in modern America — certainly lower than in the 1970s and 1980s, when the nation was wracked by a surge in criminality. It is also worth noting that crime and gun violence has fallen steeply since the 1990s, even as gun ownership has increased dramatically.

 

[2aguy]

For how long--a year while the Earps were there? Cherry pick some more bullshit.

One Earp was shot to death, after they banned guns in town, the other maimed, and the shoot out at the O.K. corral happened when the Cowboy's refused to surrender their guns..........

 

[Concerned American]

One Earp was shot to death, after they banned guns in town, the other maimed, and the shoot out at the O.K. corral happened when the Cowboy's refused to surrender their guns..........

Preaching to the choir dude, I know. The lefty was cherry picking and I wanted to point it out.

 

[daveman]

Well, that analogy fails. Banning guns from town obviously was a good idea.

And look, no slippery slope! The NRA LIES! Amazing, isn't it! Not only is the NRA a pack of corrupt grifting thieves, but they're also liars who've pretended to be a 2nd-Amendment advocate when in fact they have been for decades nothing but a lobby for gun manufacturers!

DAMN you white-rights sure are dumb!

I'm not a member of the NRA.

You racists sure are dumb.

 

[daveman]

Some are. Many terrorist white-right mass shootings have been perpetrated with legal guns. That's a problem, I'd say.

Far more people are killed in Chicago by Democrats with illegal guns.

Obviously, Democrats are the problem here.

 

[daveman]

Self defense from what, another guy carrying a gun-?
If guns were not allowed in public places the problem above would not exists.
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Maybe you should go to Chicago or Baltimore and confiscate illegal guns yourself.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well!

 

[watchingfromafar]

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

Maybe it is because you live in one of them?
All right, I admit it. I fell into the circle jerk mentality, you defame me, I defame you and around and around it goes.

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2aguy, apart from your foul language you made your point. Now let us get back to the OP

Way back in the day of the cowboy’s gun control was tougher than it is today

Laws regulating ownership and carry of firearms, apart from the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, were passed at a local level rather than by Congress. “Gun control laws were adopted pretty quickly in these places,” says Winkler. “Most were adopted by municipal governments exercising self-control and self-determination.” Carrying any kind of weapon, guns or knives, was not allowed other than outside town borders and inside the home. When visitors left their weapons with a law officer upon entering town, they'd receive a token, like a coat check, which they'd exchange for their guns when leaving town.

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