Watch live & discuss: Jan6 hearing about Trump's "connections" to white supremacist Oath Keepers & Proud Boys who wrecked Congress on that fateful day
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Clipper
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Prove me wrong, cement head. Prove that Trump got more votes then Biden. Let's have it or STFU. What you got? Something like:
Dominion?
Bamboo from China?
Italian lasers?
Dead people voting?
Ilegal immigrants voting?
Ballot stuffers?
Know what you got? Nothing, nada, zilch, zeeeeero!
Oh, am I getting paid by Soros?
Not at all. I'm not racist, and you are. You are however it seems to retarded to know the meaning of hte word ironic.
Seymour Flops
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At least at Impeachment 1.0 and Impeachment Part Deux, the Reps got to ask their own questions. Actual Republicans, not some on-the-way-out RINO's who have all but announced their switch to the Demofascist Party.
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Moron oath keepers have nothing to do with racism
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Rhodes in his own words, interview last year.
Oath Keepers founder and leader Stewart Rhodes does not see a perfect president when he looks back at former President Donald Trump's time in office.
Rhodes and his group, often called a far-right militia, have been known for their support of Trump, but Rhodes sees ample flaws in the former president.
"He didn't understand the Constitution enough when it came to that," Rhodes said during an exclusive interview in Wichita Falls ahead of a speaking engagement in late June.
Rhodes said he did not agree with Trump's backing of red flag legislation or his statement about taking guns away first and then worrying about due process later.
Red flag laws allow courts to remove firearms from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.
In February 2018, Trump made a statement that surprised many.
"I like taking guns away early," he said in the wake of a mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
Rhodes said, "That's not how our constitutional system works."
In general, he thinks Trump loved his country and was "a sincere America First person," Rhodes said.
“That's why he gained a lot of support. That's why he got elected in 2016. So I think that he was legit, but he wasn't as staunch of a constitutionalist, as well-versed in the Constitution, as he should have been," Rhodes said.
He added, "I might get some hate mail over that from Trump supporters, but it’s the truth.”
America First policy calls for not intervening in other nations' affairs and for an emphasis on nationalism.
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Oath Keepers as among the largest radical antigovernment groups in the United States. The group is known for showing up visibly armed to events.
Rhodes rejects the militia label, saying members are mostly retired and current military members and law-enforcement officers acting together to deter trouble.
Because of a gun accident, Rhodes wears an eyepatch. He graduated from Yale Law School and is a former Army paratrooper. Originally from Montana, he now lives in Texas.
He came to Wichita Falls to speak during a meeting June 24 at Red River Harley-Davidson.
Rhodes said he encouraged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and carry out "a mass declassification and data dump of all the dirty secrets" held by the CIA and the National Security Agency. The dirty secrets are how corrupt politicians are being controlled.
“Who are the people that have been bought out, whether it's by Wall Street or foreign governments, whether it's Russia or China, or whoever? Who are the people that have been compromised … controlled? You know, our intelligence agencies know that," Rhodes said.
He said Edward Snowden is a patriot.
Now in Russia, Snowden leaked highly classified information from the NSA while a civilian worker.
"This is one of Trump's failings. He should have pardoned Snowden," Rhodes said. “He should have pardoned his own supporters who were arrested after Jan. 6. Why didn't he do that?”
Trump should also be raising money for their legal defense, Rhodes said.
“These are his supporters, and they're being charged and persecuted. And it doesn't ultimately even matter if you think they're guilty. There's presumed innocence until proven guilty," Rhodes said. "They have a right to counsel."
At least two Oath Keepers have pleaded guilty in a conspiracy case.
The FBI alleges 16 members of the Oath Keepers conspired at the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol to keep Congress from certifying election results.
Rhodes said some of the group's members entering the Capitol was "a massive mistake" that he had no knowledge of at the time, but there was no conspiracy.
The New York Times reported July 9 that Rhodes has voluntarily submitted to an interview with the FBI although he has not been charged and denies any role in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
Rhodes also subscribes to Trump's unproven claims the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent.
"So many Trump supporters . . . don't consider Biden legitimate, and I'm one of them. I don't consider Biden a legitimate president," Rhodes said.
Who would Rhodes like to see in the next presidential election?
"I would want to see Rand Paul run. Like his dad, I think he has the best understanding of our Constitution and the best devotion to it of anybody that's currently in political office," Rhodes said.
Rand Paul is a U.S. senator from Kentucky who describes himself as a Libertarian Republican.
His father is Libertarian and former Congressman Ron Paul, who was also a two-time Republican presidential candidate.
A Libertarian, Rhodes volunteered for Ron Paul's presidential campaign in 2008.
That is, Rhodes would support Rand Paul unless Snowden obtained a pardon and returned to the United States.
"I would vote for Edward Snowden for president, absolutely, because he proved up by blowing the whistle," Rhodes said.
"I look for someone who has put themselves at risk to do the right thing. You can't show me that, I'm a little skeptical. I think Rand Paul's been pretty good. He's been in the hot seat politically. Not as good as his dad but pretty close," Rhodes said.
"I would want someone that I think is going to take it seriously," he said.
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Oath Keepers founder: Trump had flaws, didn't understand Constitution enough
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes gives his views on Donald Trump's presidency. Rhodes saw flaws.
www.timesrecordnews.com
Oath Keepers founder and leader Stewart Rhodes does not see a perfect president when he looks back at former President Donald Trump's time in office.
Rhodes and his group, often called a far-right militia, have been known for their support of Trump, but Rhodes sees ample flaws in the former president.
"He didn't understand the Constitution enough when it came to that," Rhodes said during an exclusive interview in Wichita Falls ahead of a speaking engagement in late June.
Rhodes said he did not agree with Trump's backing of red flag legislation or his statement about taking guns away first and then worrying about due process later.
Red flag laws allow courts to remove firearms from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.
In February 2018, Trump made a statement that surprised many.
"I like taking guns away early," he said in the wake of a mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
Rhodes said, "That's not how our constitutional system works."
In general, he thinks Trump loved his country and was "a sincere America First person," Rhodes said.
“That's why he gained a lot of support. That's why he got elected in 2016. So I think that he was legit, but he wasn't as staunch of a constitutionalist, as well-versed in the Constitution, as he should have been," Rhodes said.
He added, "I might get some hate mail over that from Trump supporters, but it’s the truth.”
America First policy calls for not intervening in other nations' affairs and for an emphasis on nationalism.
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Oath Keepers as among the largest radical antigovernment groups in the United States. The group is known for showing up visibly armed to events.
Rhodes rejects the militia label, saying members are mostly retired and current military members and law-enforcement officers acting together to deter trouble.
Because of a gun accident, Rhodes wears an eyepatch. He graduated from Yale Law School and is a former Army paratrooper. Originally from Montana, he now lives in Texas.
He came to Wichita Falls to speak during a meeting June 24 at Red River Harley-Davidson.
Rhodes said he encouraged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and carry out "a mass declassification and data dump of all the dirty secrets" held by the CIA and the National Security Agency. The dirty secrets are how corrupt politicians are being controlled.
“Who are the people that have been bought out, whether it's by Wall Street or foreign governments, whether it's Russia or China, or whoever? Who are the people that have been compromised … controlled? You know, our intelligence agencies know that," Rhodes said.
He said Edward Snowden is a patriot.
Now in Russia, Snowden leaked highly classified information from the NSA while a civilian worker.
"This is one of Trump's failings. He should have pardoned Snowden," Rhodes said. “He should have pardoned his own supporters who were arrested after Jan. 6. Why didn't he do that?”
Trump should also be raising money for their legal defense, Rhodes said.
“These are his supporters, and they're being charged and persecuted. And it doesn't ultimately even matter if you think they're guilty. There's presumed innocence until proven guilty," Rhodes said. "They have a right to counsel."
At least two Oath Keepers have pleaded guilty in a conspiracy case.
The FBI alleges 16 members of the Oath Keepers conspired at the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol to keep Congress from certifying election results.
Rhodes said some of the group's members entering the Capitol was "a massive mistake" that he had no knowledge of at the time, but there was no conspiracy.
The New York Times reported July 9 that Rhodes has voluntarily submitted to an interview with the FBI although he has not been charged and denies any role in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
Rhodes also subscribes to Trump's unproven claims the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent.
"So many Trump supporters . . . don't consider Biden legitimate, and I'm one of them. I don't consider Biden a legitimate president," Rhodes said.
Who would Rhodes like to see in the next presidential election?
"I would want to see Rand Paul run. Like his dad, I think he has the best understanding of our Constitution and the best devotion to it of anybody that's currently in political office," Rhodes said.
Rand Paul is a U.S. senator from Kentucky who describes himself as a Libertarian Republican.
His father is Libertarian and former Congressman Ron Paul, who was also a two-time Republican presidential candidate.
A Libertarian, Rhodes volunteered for Ron Paul's presidential campaign in 2008.
That is, Rhodes would support Rand Paul unless Snowden obtained a pardon and returned to the United States.
"I would vote for Edward Snowden for president, absolutely, because he proved up by blowing the whistle," Rhodes said.
"I look for someone who has put themselves at risk to do the right thing. You can't show me that, I'm a little skeptical. I think Rand Paul's been pretty good. He's been in the hot seat politically. Not as good as his dad but pretty close," Rhodes said.
"I would want someone that I think is going to take it seriously," he said.
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How Ironic.....Your projection is precious con-sidering how you display your racism towards non-whites almost every time you post. But you know that.
Actually, I never do that, You are just a race baiting asshole.
While you constantly use the term "white" as a slur.
That is you being racist.
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OK, here's an unsolicited opinion:
My avatar kinda likes that the poster Original Tree is on this site as a representative of Don Trump supporters.
He sorta personifies that level of political partisanship.
I say that because...well, because no other Trump supporters come here to say....'Well, we ain't ALL like Original Tree."
For example: (ps...this is all from just one single thread!)
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I love this bar.
My avatar kinda likes that the poster Original Tree is on this site as a representative of Don Trump supporters.
He sorta personifies that level of political partisanship.
I say that because...well, because no other Trump supporters come here to say....'Well, we ain't ALL like Original Tree."
For example: (ps...this is all from just one single thread!)
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I love this bar.
munkle
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My God how libtards hate the truth.
One state: maybe. Two: huh. No, 4 out of the 5 key swing states, and no place else, showing the same election stealing pattern is what puts the nail in the coffin. Otherwise we'd see this pro-Biden mail-in ballot spikes everywhere.
The states are WI, MI, PA, GA, and AZ.
We didn't need 2000 Mules. This was an obvious insurrection from the start.
(click for larger below image.)
Huge Biden Spikes in Swing States ONLY Proves 2020 Coup by Democrats
One state: maybe. Two: huh. No, 4 out of the 5 key swing states, and no place else, showing the same election stealing pattern is what puts the nail in the coffin. Otherwise we'd see this pro-Biden mail-in ballot spikes everywhere.
The states are WI, MI, PA, GA, and AZ.
We didn't need 2000 Mules. This was an obvious insurrection from the start.
(click for larger below image.)
- In key swing state Georgia (key swing states in 2020 were MI, WI, PA, GA, and AZ) a similar all-Biden vote spike is seen, also in the wee hours of the morning after election day (source: Baltimore Post Examiner.) (Click for larger below image)
Clipper
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Thanks to Trump, far right wing hate groups led by characters like Rhodes are now taking center stage. We are doomed.Rhodes in his own words, interview last year.
Oath Keepers founder: Trump had flaws, didn't understand Constitution enough
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes gives his views on Donald Trump's presidency. Rhodes saw flaws.www.timesrecordnews.com
Oath Keepers founder and leader Stewart Rhodes does not see a perfect president when he looks back at former President Donald Trump's time in office.
Rhodes and his group, often called a far-right militia, have been known for their support of Trump, but Rhodes sees ample flaws in the former president.
"He didn't understand the Constitution enough when it came to that," Rhodes said during an exclusive interview in Wichita Falls ahead of a speaking engagement in late June.
Rhodes said he did not agree with Trump's backing of red flag legislation or his statement about taking guns away first and then worrying about due process later.
Red flag laws allow courts to remove firearms from people deemed a danger to themselves or others.
In February 2018, Trump made a statement that surprised many.
"I like taking guns away early," he said in the wake of a mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."
Rhodes said, "That's not how our constitutional system works."
In general, he thinks Trump loved his country and was "a sincere America First person," Rhodes said.
“That's why he gained a lot of support. That's why he got elected in 2016. So I think that he was legit, but he wasn't as staunch of a constitutionalist, as well-versed in the Constitution, as he should have been," Rhodes said.
He added, "I might get some hate mail over that from Trump supporters, but it’s the truth.”
America First policy calls for not intervening in other nations' affairs and for an emphasis on nationalism.
The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Oath Keepers as among the largest radical antigovernment groups in the United States. The group is known for showing up visibly armed to events.
Rhodes rejects the militia label, saying members are mostly retired and current military members and law-enforcement officers acting together to deter trouble.
Because of a gun accident, Rhodes wears an eyepatch. He graduated from Yale Law School and is a former Army paratrooper. Originally from Montana, he now lives in Texas.
He came to Wichita Falls to speak during a meeting June 24 at Red River Harley-Davidson.
Rhodes said he encouraged Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and carry out "a mass declassification and data dump of all the dirty secrets" held by the CIA and the National Security Agency. The dirty secrets are how corrupt politicians are being controlled.
“Who are the people that have been bought out, whether it's by Wall Street or foreign governments, whether it's Russia or China, or whoever? Who are the people that have been compromised … controlled? You know, our intelligence agencies know that," Rhodes said.
He said Edward Snowden is a patriot.
Now in Russia, Snowden leaked highly classified information from the NSA while a civilian worker.
"This is one of Trump's failings. He should have pardoned Snowden," Rhodes said. “He should have pardoned his own supporters who were arrested after Jan. 6. Why didn't he do that?”
Trump should also be raising money for their legal defense, Rhodes said.
“These are his supporters, and they're being charged and persecuted. And it doesn't ultimately even matter if you think they're guilty. There's presumed innocence until proven guilty," Rhodes said. "They have a right to counsel."
At least two Oath Keepers have pleaded guilty in a conspiracy case.
The FBI alleges 16 members of the Oath Keepers conspired at the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol to keep Congress from certifying election results.
Rhodes said some of the group's members entering the Capitol was "a massive mistake" that he had no knowledge of at the time, but there was no conspiracy.
The New York Times reported July 9 that Rhodes has voluntarily submitted to an interview with the FBI although he has not been charged and denies any role in the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol.
Rhodes also subscribes to Trump's unproven claims the 2020 presidential election was fraudulent.
"So many Trump supporters . . . don't consider Biden legitimate, and I'm one of them. I don't consider Biden a legitimate president," Rhodes said.
Who would Rhodes like to see in the next presidential election?
"I would want to see Rand Paul run. Like his dad, I think he has the best understanding of our Constitution and the best devotion to it of anybody that's currently in political office," Rhodes said.
Rand Paul is a U.S. senator from Kentucky who describes himself as a Libertarian Republican.
His father is Libertarian and former Congressman Ron Paul, who was also a two-time Republican presidential candidate.
A Libertarian, Rhodes volunteered for Ron Paul's presidential campaign in 2008.
That is, Rhodes would support Rand Paul unless Snowden obtained a pardon and returned to the United States.
"I would vote for Edward Snowden for president, absolutely, because he proved up by blowing the whistle," Rhodes said.
"I look for someone who has put themselves at risk to do the right thing. You can't show me that, I'm a little skeptical. I think Rand Paul's been pretty good. He's been in the hot seat politically. Not as good as his dad but pretty close," Rhodes said.
"I would want someone that I think is going to take it seriously," he said.
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Ask his wife & kids what they think of him.
Nobody gives a shit or should give a shit what Rhodes thinks about anything.
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CNN reports. "Former White House counsel Pat Cipollone testified for eight hours in front of the House Jan. 6 Committee on Friday in a closed-door interview. Here are some key moments of his testimony played at the committee's seventh hearing on Tuesday.
"He did not think there was sufficient evidence of election fraud: In his testimony, Cipollone said he agreed with former Attorney General Bill Barr, who concluded there was insufficient evidence of election fraud. He recounted former chief of staff Mark Meadows saying in November 2020 that then-President Trump should have conceded, to which he said he agreed. Jason Miller, a former senior adviser to Trump, told the committee that Cipollone called John Eastman's theory to overturn the election "nutty." Cipollone did not refute this statement.
"He was verbally attacked during the Dec. 18, 2020 meeting at the White House. Cipollone told the committee he walked into the Dec.18 meeting attended by Trump, former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne.
"The meeting, which lasted six hours, was described as “unhinged” by former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson. Ideas circulated about overturning the election including Flynn's suggestion to invoke martial law and inspection of voting machines.
“I don’t think any of these people were providing the President with good advice,” Cipollone told the committee.
"After asking where the evidence was for claims of voter fraud, Cipollone said that he and Meadows were verbally attacked for questioning where the evidence was for Trump’s claimed victory."
CBS reports, "Tuesday's hearing began with a tweet Trump sent at 1:42 a.m. on Dec. 19, 2020, which said, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
"On January 6, Trump knew the crowd was angry," committee member Raskin said. "He knew the crowd was armed. He sent them to the Capitol anyway."
"When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."
We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country,” part of President Trump's instructions to the mob on Jan. 6, 2021.
Was this the President giving orders to those in the audience?
"He did not think there was sufficient evidence of election fraud: In his testimony, Cipollone said he agreed with former Attorney General Bill Barr, who concluded there was insufficient evidence of election fraud. He recounted former chief of staff Mark Meadows saying in November 2020 that then-President Trump should have conceded, to which he said he agreed. Jason Miller, a former senior adviser to Trump, told the committee that Cipollone called John Eastman's theory to overturn the election "nutty." Cipollone did not refute this statement.
"He was verbally attacked during the Dec. 18, 2020 meeting at the White House. Cipollone told the committee he walked into the Dec.18 meeting attended by Trump, former Trump campaign lawyer Sidney Powell, former national security adviser Michael Flynn and former Overstock CEO Patrick Byrne.
"The meeting, which lasted six hours, was described as “unhinged” by former Trump White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson. Ideas circulated about overturning the election including Flynn's suggestion to invoke martial law and inspection of voting machines.
“I don’t think any of these people were providing the President with good advice,” Cipollone told the committee.
"After asking where the evidence was for claims of voter fraud, Cipollone said that he and Meadows were verbally attacked for questioning where the evidence was for Trump’s claimed victory."
CBS reports, "Tuesday's hearing began with a tweet Trump sent at 1:42 a.m. on Dec. 19, 2020, which said, "Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"
"On January 6, Trump knew the crowd was angry," committee member Raskin said. "He knew the crowd was armed. He sent them to the Capitol anyway."
"When you catch somebody in a fraud, you are allowed to go by very different rules."
We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you. We are going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country,” part of President Trump's instructions to the mob on Jan. 6, 2021.
Was this the President giving orders to those in the audience?
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I am stating outright the election was stolen. Common sense says it was.
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Including the committee.
So why did your team reject the first suggestion? An independent bipartisan commission set up like the 9
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Not that common. Trumps own people told him it wasn't and that he lost.
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And yet, Hitler is STILL better than democrats.
Seymour Flops
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The Democrats lost all credibility to object to one riot at the capital and blame Trump for encouraging it, by spending the previous nine months encouraging riots by their supporters.
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