Washington may be about to recognise a third gender for the first time

[Zander]

It's science. Discard it as you will.

No it’s not You only think so because you haven’t actually looked at the science of gender and are content to keep your head nutrients where the sun don’t shine for fear that you’re prejudice will be challenged


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Spoken like a genderqueer!! Good for you!

You don't know squat about me , but I know all that I need to know about you

So what you're really saying is you aren't interested in actually debating the issue. You just wanted to virtue signal.

Good for you.

No ! You are saying that you don’t want to have an intelligent discussion.


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I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

You responded with emotional appeals, insults, and sarcasm.

You entire argument is simple; anyone who disagrees with you is "closed minded" or "fearful".

Nothing could be further from the truth. I'd love to see these disturbed people get serious help.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

I kept an open mind, and it's still nonsense.

Please explain Billy

Science. You are male or female. What you may believe about yourself does not change that.

If you are surgically altered to match your belief, it does not change what you are, but only applies a mask.

Who is talking about "surgical alteration" You really haven't put much thought into the subject , have you? This is just your typical anti-intellectual , knee jerk reaction to something that's foreign to you. You really don't want to learn anything, or perhaps you're unable to learn.

It's science. Discard it as you will.

No it’s not

Try DNA, Professor.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Well good for you! Keep that mind closed tight. Don't let any sun light in!! Wallow in the safety of ignorance and the familiar.

There is no virtue and no value in being so “open minded” that one is inclined to treat obvious madness and falsehood as if it has any basis in truth.

People such as you, whop are confused about the difference between male and female, need psychiatric help. Those who choose to indulge your delusion fantasies are doing you no favor at all, but only feeding your illness.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You responded with emotional appeals, insults, and sarcasm

Yes I get that a lot from you people who don't know what else to say. Emotional ? Really ? Where am I emotional?|

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

You entire argument is simple; anyone who disagrees with you is "closed minded" or "fearful".

Bullshit. You can disagree. What you can't do is just snipe at me without presenting a valid and rational argument- which is what you're doing

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Nothing could be further from the truth. I'd love to see these disturbed people get serious help.

I would like to see you serious help

 

[GreenBean]

Well now, here is an interesting story that is sure stimulate some discussion. But before you chime in, please read the whole post. I think that you will find it to be an eye opener. It sure was for me. Keep an open mind, and perhaps you will see the non-binary, gender fluid issue in a new light


http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/06/washington-may-be-about-to-recognise-a-third-gender-for-the-first-time/

Washington may soon give non-binary people legal recognition.

The state has proposed adding a third gender, labelled ‘X’, to official documents like driving licenses and birth certificates.

At a public hearing for the plan, supporters are reported to have greatly outnumbered those in opposition.

During the meeting, which was standing room-only, young residents spoke up in defense of their rights.

One told those gathered: “As a kid growing up in the mid-west, it’s a dream for me to see a state like Washington taking a stand to legitimize non-binary identities, when a lot of the time we’re really invisible in a whole lot of places.”

Now before you all go bonkers and start blathering about the sky falling and the end of morality and sanity, consider this in the context of history. If you are somehow threatened or appalled by this, ask yourself why? How does it affect you? What is the impact on society considering the fact that there are ancient civilizations that incorporated this into their culture without any difficulties:


http://listverse.com/2015/10/21/10-examples-of-nonbinary-genders-throughout-history/


1) Sulawesi is a small island that is part of Indonesia, usually known for paradise beaches and leisurely vacations. It is also a place with radical views on gender and sex in their people. The Bugis (or “Buginese people”) of Sulawesi recognize four genders and an important fifth “metagender.”


Photo credit: Meutia Chaerani / Indradi Soemardjan

2) Sulawesi is a small island that is part of Indonesia, usually known for paradise beaches and leisurely vacations. It is also a place with radical views on gender and sex in their people. The Bugis (or “Buginese people”) of Sulawesi recognize four genders and an important fifth “metagender.”

3) In Turkey, dancing was a revered art form during the Ottoman Empire. People spent a lot of money to attend dance performances, including an infamous dance style performed by the kocek. The kocek were men who dressed in feminine clothing and performed exotic dances for audiences throughout the empire. Some of the kocek were amateurs, and some were even slaves. But many were professional, popular, and highly paid.



4) In many parts of rural Mexico, gay bashing and homophobia are common. However, the Zapotec in Oaxaca have always been more tolerant of non-straight and nonbinary identities. In fact, they recognize a third gender beyond male and female: muxes.

5) Although the Europeans who came to North America were largely homophobic and intolerant of nonbinary people, Native Americans have always recognized a third gender called “two-spirited people.” In fact, two-spirited people were revered by at least 155 tribes across North America as healers, caregivers, nannies of orphans, and visionaries.

6) While many of the third-gendered people on this list are not commonly known, the kathoeys (or “ladyboys”) of Thailand are often mentioned in pop culture. Kathoeys range from occasional cross-dressers to transsexuals, and they are seen as a third category of gender identity. They are so common in Thai society that a poll at one school revealed that 10 percent of its students identified as kathoey.

7) Many people are surprised that there is a third gender called warias in Indonesia, a largely Muslim nation with many conservative values. Warias can be males who feel like they should be women, cross-dressers, people who believe they are truly a third gender, and more. The word comes from a combination of wanita, which means “woman,” and pria, which means “man.”

8) In beautiful Hawaii, there has long been a tradition of a third gender of people named the mahu who fall somewhere between “male” and “female.” Mahus had their own roles in society and were respected as healers, teachers, and caretakers. Through the generations, they passed down knowledge on hula, songs, chants, and other Hawaiian wisdom. One reflection of the mahu people is evident in Hawaiian music, which often displays love stories that don’t conform to traditional Western gender norms.

9) In beautiful Hawaii, there has long been a tradition of a third gender of people named the mahu who fall somewhere between “male” and “female.” Mahus had their own roles in society and were respected as healers, teachers, and caretakers. Through the generations, they passed down knowledge on hula, songs, chants, and other Hawaiian wisdom. One reflection of the mahu people is evident in Hawaiian music, which often displays love stories that don’t conform to traditional Western gender norms.



10) In today’s world, the word “genderqueer” has become a form of identity for many people who feel frustrated by a gender binary system. This expression was created in the 1990s as an umbrella term for anyone who felt that they fell outside of strict “male” or “female” categories. The genderqueer movement grew tremendously because of the Internet, and today, many people prefer to identify as “genderqueer” rather than “male,” “female,” “transgender,” or something else.


Now lets keep it civil and thoughtful and let’s see if we can learn something from this.

Misleading header doucheboy - you should have specified Washington State - but then again you're a deceptive little snot rocket

 

[Pop23]

There are two genders: Male and Female.

That's it.

That being said, if you have a mental illness and want to identify as non-binary, a chicken, or a chimpanzee, that is perfectly fine by me. Have at it. It's no skin off my nose.

Thank you for that well thought out, sensitive and brilliant commentary. You are real asset to the USMB and do your utmost to raise the level of intellectual discourse. We applaud you sir!!

Why do you hide your gayness then?

Is it cuz you hate scientific fact?

Male

Female

/list

 

[Zander]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

I didn't say it was "Clearly" male or female.

Here is the science.

There are only two sexes - Male (XY) or female (XX). A very small percentage of people are born with variants of this. There are only 4 possibilities that do not result on death of the fetus -

• X – Roughly 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 50,000 births
• SOURCE

But there are still only 2 sexes. You are either male or a female.

Gender is a social construct - not scientific.

 

[MindWars]

Oh so they will be " it's " ................since they will be objects only they shouldn't need to receive any cash or welfare to survive.

 

[MindWars]

Pink news that explains it all. People who write articles for those who think just like the sources of the news iste, lmao.

 

[Zander]

Nothing could be further from the truth. I'd love to see these disturbed people get serious help.

I would like to see you serious help

I'll take all the help I can get.

Cash and checks accepted.

Walk the walk mo'fo'!

 

[80zephyr]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

I didn't say it was "Clearly" male or female.

Here is the science.

There are only two sexes - Male (XY) or female (XX). A very small percentage of people are born with variants of this. There are only 4 possibilities that do not result on death of the fetus -

• X – Roughly 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 50,000 births
• SOURCE

But there are still only 2 sexes. You are either male or a female.

Gender is a social construct - not scientific.

Gender is not a "Social Construct", it is an outgrowth of biological reality.

Mark

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

I didn't say it was "Clearly" male or female.

Here is the science.

There are only two sexes - Male (XY) or female (XX). A very small percentage of people are born with variants of this. There are only 4 possibilities that do not result on death of the fetus -

• X – Roughly 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 50,000 births
• SOURCE

But there are still only 2 sexes. You are either male or a female.

Gender is a social construct - not scientific.

Wrong sparky....that is only part of the story and a gross oversimplification.

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

“Intersex” is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female types—for example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY.

Though we speak of intersex as an inborn condition, intersex anatomy doesn’t always show up at birth. Sometimes a person isn’t found to have intersex anatomy until she or he reaches the age of puberty, or finds himself an infertile adult, or dies of old age and is autopsied. Some people live and die with intersex anatomy without anyone (including themselves) ever knowing.

And it's not just about genetics

In our work, we find that doctors’ opinions about what should count as “intersex” vary substantially. Some think you have to have “ambiguous genitalia” to count as intersex, even if your inside is mostly of one sex and your outside is mostly of another. Some think your brain has to be exposed to an unusual mix of hormones prenatally to count as intersex—so that even if you’re born with atypical genitalia, you’re not intersex unless your brain experienced atypical development. And some think you have to have both ovarian and testicular tissue to count as intersex.

We know that this is closely related to the transsexual issue and perhaps the non binary phenomena as well. But, fell free to wallow in you ignorance a ridged constructs.

 

[MindWars]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

I didn't say it was "Clearly" male or female.

Here is the science.

There are only two sexes - Male (XY) or female (XX). A very small percentage of people are born with variants of this. There are only 4 possibilities that do not result on death of the fetus -

• X – Roughly 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 50,000 births
• SOURCE

But there are still only 2 sexes. You are either male or a female.

Gender is a social construct - not scientific.

Wrong sparky....that is only part of the story and a gross oversimplification.

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

“Intersex” is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female types—for example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY.

Though we speak of intersex as an inborn condition, intersex anatomy doesn’t always show up at birth. Sometimes a person isn’t found to have intersex anatomy until she or he reaches the age of puberty, or finds himself an infertile adult, or dies of old age and is autopsied. Some people live and die with intersex anatomy without anyone (including themselves) ever knowing.

And it's not just about genetics

In our work, we find that doctors’ opinions about what should count as “intersex” vary substantially. Some think you have to have “ambiguous genitalia” to count as intersex, even if your inside is mostly of one sex and your outside is mostly of another. Some think your brain has to be exposed to an unusual mix of hormones prenatally to count as intersex—so that even if you’re born with atypical genitalia, you’re not intersex unless your brain experienced atypical development. And some think you have to have both ovarian and testicular tissue to count as intersex.

We know that this is closely related to the transsexual issue and perhaps the non binary phenomena as well. But, fell free to wallow in you ignorance a ridged constructs.

It only says that bs because they think like those of you who want to see the answer that make you feel better about all the bs you are clueless on.

In other words they tell you what you want to hear because they suffer the same fkn bs.

Where as those who don't suffer form know wtf sex they are know the answer, tell you the answers, reasons, causes etc. You all just don't want to hear any of it . It doesn't fit in your excuse box.

 

[Pop23]

I stated my opinion, An opinion that is backed by science.

Where exactly is the science? There is in fact science that shows that not every one is clearly male or female. Where is your science?

I didn't say it was "Clearly" male or female.

Here is the science.

There are only two sexes - Male (XY) or female (XX). A very small percentage of people are born with variants of this. There are only 4 possibilities that do not result on death of the fetus -

• X – Roughly 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
• XXY – Roughly 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
• XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
• XXXY – Roughly 1 in 50,000 births
• SOURCE

But there are still only 2 sexes. You are either male or a female.

Gender is a social construct - not scientific.

Wrong sparky....that is only part of the story and a gross oversimplification.

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

“Intersex” is a general term used for a variety of conditions in which a person is born with a reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t seem to fit the typical definitions of female or male. For example, a person might be born appearing to be female on the outside, but having mostly male-typical anatomy on the inside. Or a person may be born with genitals that seem to be in-between the usual male and female types—for example, a girl may be born with a noticeably large clitoris, or lacking a vaginal opening, or a boy may be born with a notably small penis, or with a scrotum that is divided so that it has formed more like labia. Or a person may be born with mosaic genetics, so that some of her cells have XX chromosomes and some of them have XY.

Though we speak of intersex as an inborn condition, intersex anatomy doesn’t always show up at birth. Sometimes a person isn’t found to have intersex anatomy until she or he reaches the age of puberty, or finds himself an infertile adult, or dies of old age and is autopsied. Some people live and die with intersex anatomy without anyone (including themselves) ever knowing.

And it's not just about genetics

In our work, we find that doctors’ opinions about what should count as “intersex” vary substantially. Some think you have to have “ambiguous genitalia” to count as intersex, even if your inside is mostly of one sex and your outside is mostly of another. Some think your brain has to be exposed to an unusual mix of hormones prenatally to count as intersex—so that even if you’re born with atypical genitalia, you’re not intersex unless your brain experienced atypical development. And some think you have to have both ovarian and testicular tissue to count as intersex.

We know that this is closely related to the transsexual issue and perhaps the non binary phenomena as well. But, fell free to wallow in you ignorance a ridged constructs.

You understand that what you just posted is not rebuttle, it's deflection and distraction.

Not many gays claim to have abnormal chromosomes, so theirs that. And we do make exceptions for birth defects under existing law. And including the words "Some think" does not bolster your case.

If we find a body in a field, we can determine all kinds of things. We can determine it's sex, it's race, it's age, it's national origin and it's physical disabilities AND BIRTH DEFECTS, we can't determine it's sexuality.

We protect what we can know, to protect what we cannot would afford protections to some very undesirable traits.

 

[Lysistrata]

I just want to say: GO AUSTRALIA! Down-under folks doing the right thing, just today:
Video experience headlines - BBC News
It's good to see love winning in the end.
Go to the BBC homepage. Lots more, including a couple who are approaching the age of 90. I'm not LGBT, but I love it when good things happen and good people win.

 

[Zander]

A birth defect is not a gender. How people "Feel" or "believe" is not science.

Bottom line- Feel free to "self identify" as whatever you like. It is your life and if you want to live it as a Ladyboy or a Guygal, go for it! Be happy. It is really none of my business. If LBGQT people want to get married- they should be able to. I am all for equality of rights.

That doesn't change the fact that there are only 2 sexes.

 

[Pop23]

I just want to say: GO AUSTRALIA! Down-under folks doing the right thing, just today:
Video experience headlines - BBC News
It's good to see love winning in the end.
Go to the BBC homepage. Lots more, including a couple who are approaching the age of 90. I'm not LGBT, but I love it when good things happen and good people win.

And we know your not gay? How? Is there a forensic test that doesn't soley rely on your testimony?