Was the violence in the Jan 6 video a Hollywood production?

[jc456]

They are not in charge of the National guard. And TRUMP did not ask any of them.

So who did?

Yep

 

[SweetTea]

Let’s see…..

Who is responsible for Jan 6 ….Trump?

No…..It was Pelosi for not stopping him
It was the FBI
It was Antifa
It was the media

It was the people that were there and went too far in their protest.

Was it the fault of the hooligans that did much more costly damage, killed people, took over city blocks and city buildings during Trump's term or was it Democratic congressman telling them to "fight"?

I have a sneaking suspicion that your hypocrisy will be revealed again.

 

[jc456]

What videos were supressed? What do they show that gets you so excited?

Link up, pretty please.

The ones recently released! You do live underground

 

[tahuyaman]

Sure! Now prove they were FBI.

Did I make that claim?

 

[Chillicothe]

There were several agitators in the crowd.

Indeed there were, poster Tahuyaman, indeed there were.

Posted earlier in this thread there is a link that details and illustrates the role of just the Proud Boys. In their own words. On camera.

Accordingly, I would suggest posters who want to know more about these "agitators"..... start there.
Also, for those who wish to go deep into the weeds, well, order up transcripts of the Oathkeepers' and the Proud Boys' trials. They would be informative for you.
I'm fairly sure.
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The same goes for Jan. 6. It was a riot that went to far, but it wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government. It is as simple as that.

This is getting to be well-plowed ground, but still, if we can better inform then we have a responsibility to do so.

So, good poster DBA, it is like this: Those MAGA knuckleheads were NOT trying to "overthrow" the existing government.

Instead, they were trying to ensure that the existing government would stay in place. Of course, that was the Trump Administration and they wanted to keep it.
No "overthrow" desired or needed.

So, they were encouraged to stop the peaceful transfer of power and then they could, per Don Trump's own words, “.... leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen,” .
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[Care4all]

The ones recently released! You do live underground

Link them.

 

[jc456]

Link them.

Why? You take me for a fool, fool!

You don’t even know about Tucker Carlson losing his job for posting them!! Stay in your basement

 

[SweetTea]

Instead, they were trying to ensure that the existing government would stay in place.

They wanted to delay the certification for a more thorough investigation into the election which had not yet been done. An election with new COVID rules and many anomalies based on past elections, I might add. That was the intent, granted, they went too far and actually didn’t follow Trump’s advice earlier that same day when he stated they should “peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol”.

 

[Care4all]

Why? You take me for a fool, fool!

You don’t even know about Tucker Carlson losing his job for posting them!! Stay in your basement

That's FAKE NEWS! Tucker lost his job, for costing Fox nearly a billion dollars in a lawsuit they lost, and for his own actions and lies.

 

[Care4all]

They wanted to delay the certification for a more thorough investigation into the election which had not yet been done. An election with new COVID rules and many anomalies based on past elections, I might add. That was the intent, granted, they went too far and actually didn’t follow Trump’s advice earlier that same day when he stated they should “peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol”.

Every state did their own investigations. They found no truth in Trump and minion's lies on the election being stolen, and each State had certified their election results, with no remaining question or doubt. There were no contesting issues to the vote count left unturned.

You've been lied to. Trump and his Republican coconspirator Congress citters in the house wanted to reject our vote, the citizen's vote, to replace it with their own vote, one vote per State, with the majority of States with a Republican majority....and steal from us 81 million voters for Biden's vote.

You support, crooked, devious, thieves.

 

[SweetTea]

Every state did their own investigations. They found no truth in Trump and minion's lies on the election being stolen, and each State had certified their election results, with no remaining question or doubt. There were no contesting issues to the vote count left unturned.

You've been lied to. Trump and his Republican coconspirator Congress citters in the house wanted to reject our vote, the citizen's vote, to replace it with their own vote, one vote per State, with the majority of States with a Republican majority....and steal from us 81 million voters for Biden's vote.

You support, crooked, devious, thieves.

You are the one being lied to. Fortunately for the Democratic Party and our enemies, the US is full of useful, dependent idiots and more are being imported on a daily basis thanks to this administration.

 

[Chillicothe]

granted, they went too far and actually didn’t follow Trump’s advice earlier that same day when he stated they should “peacefully and patriotically march to the Capitol”.

However, they did follow his advice to "fight", "fight", "fight for your country".
And they followed Trump's foreplay-act, Rudy G., who said they needed "trial by combat".
The fig-leaf of "go peacefully"......was a fig-leaf. You know that. I know that. Everybody knows that. It was merely CYA.

They wanted to delay the certification for a more thorough investigation into the election which had not yet been done.

That is utter nonsense. It is a canard.
Many states had audited their vote tallies. Some had hand-counted. None found "anomalies" in the mandated 7 weeks after the election that were enough to persuade them not to certify and send their Certificates of Ascertainment nor their Certifictes of Vote. That is the law of the land.

Trump and his enablers and the J6 Jackasses thought their version of the law was better than what has ruled the land for over 200yrs.

Don Trump was impeached for that mistake, many of the Jackasses are now felons for it.

 

[SweetTea]

Trump and his enablers and the J6 Jackasses thought their version of the law was better than what has ruled the land for over 200yrs.

Election laws were changed by courts (not voters)in many states in 2020 under the guise of safety(COVID). This created anomalies which favored Democrats. Not surprisingly, Democrats want to keep these changes despite the fact that voter safety is no longer a concern. You do the math. It isn’t difficult to figure out what is going on.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump and his enablers and the J6 Jackasses thought their version of the law was better than what has ruled the land for over 200yrs.

Yep. And they still do.

 

[jc456]

That's FAKE NEWS! Tucker lost his job, for costing Fox nearly a billion dollars in a lawsuit they lost, and for his own actions and lies.

so you know he released the videos that were suppressed, took a little bit, but got you to admit it.

 

[jc456]

That's FAKE NEWS! Tucker lost his job, for costing Fox nearly a billion dollars in a lawsuit they lost, and for his own actions and lies.

Actually, even that isn't true, it wasn't until Tucker said something about big pharma did he lose his job. Just so you have the facts.

 

[jc456]

Yep. And they still do.

Law? you want to discuss the law, anytime mariner.

 

[jc456]

Law? you want to discuss the law, anytime mariner.

Mac1958 , see, Mac can't debate.

 

[beagle9]

Sure, Ray got all 2000 to enter the capitol, to stop the steal, for Trump, but Trump and his incinerating speech did not....

Sure, one speech that said with emphasis on this part of it (go and make your voices heard, but do so peacefully), got all 2000 (your number) to enter the Capital, but Ray Epps making his way amongst the crowd with a bull horn priming them up did not ? Two can play your little talking points games.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They wanted to delay the certification for a more thorough investigation into the election which had not yet been done.

What a sad lie. To a man, they said Trump won. So you give up the game with your lie, in admitting they believed this without good evidence. Oops.