Was The New Testament A Jewish Plot

[nitroz]

does it matter?

 

[Douger]

does it matter?

Only when purchasing a used car.

 

[editec]

I mean the Jews wrote the new testament, a fullfilment to all their ancient prophesies and now they don't even believe it. Why would they do that

jews didn't "write" the new testament

damn...

Mostly the authors of the NT were Jews who followed Christ, Jill.

So I guess the issue of whether or not the authors of the NT were Jews depends on whether you think being Jewish depends on religion choice or ethnic origin.

 

[editec]

jews didn't "write" the new testament

damn...

Now Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Thomas et al weren't Jews. LMAO!!!!

some were, some weren't...

but the gospels, or what was cherrypicked to be the new testament by constantine, wasn't a jewish writing.

idiot.

The CHERRY PICKERS (editors of the compilation we now call the BIBLE, really) weren't Jews, that's true.

The Nicene council (who weren't Jews) choose the books that would go into the Bible, but many of those "Gospels" were written centuries before that council.

And as far as I know, ALL the OT was written by Jews who practiced the Hebrew's faith.

Fact is, Jill, most of what christians think of as the bible was written by Jews.

Of course there are exceptions

Revelations is an example of one of those books that made the NT cut that was written by a Hellenic monk a century or more after Christ was dead.

 

[Sunni Man]

Revelations is an example of one of those books that made the NT cut that was written by a Hellenic monk a century or more after Christ was dead.

Evidence or Link to back up your statement that Revelations was written by a Hellenic monk?

Thanks

 

[Caroljo]

Many Jews, after the birth of Christ, converted to Christianity. These are the ones that wrote the New Testament. Many Jews today are continually converting, and believing that Jesus is the Messiah. The Bible tells about the Jews who do not believe the Messiah has come yet, this is why they only study the old testament and not believe in the New. One day many of them will find out the truth. Some still won't believe it.....

 

[Iridescence]

I don't know if I am laughing or cringing. Seriously. As cut up as the current bible is... it is very leading and, as with MANY spiritual influences, will continue to be so. What makes the bible so powerful is the fact that it is so well married with the Church. Fellowship and such empowers it's potential.

Who wrote any of the books bound in our bibles today? I'm wagering on more of the fact that it truly does not matter to be or to not be who is said to have... There was the obvious INFLUENCE under which they were impassioned/imprisoned. Provocation can be a most interesting thing. /

 

[Youwerecreated]

jews didn't "write" the new testament

damn...

Now Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Thomas et al weren't Jews. LMAO!!!!

some were, some weren't...

but the gospels, or what was cherrypicked to be the new testament by constantine, wasn't a jewish writing.

idiot.

God is not just the God of the Jews.

And you're wrong constantine did not decide which books belonged in the New Testament. The early Christians made that determination. You need to stay away from those theorists sites that have a dog in the hunt. Constantine and The Council of Nicea got together to decide the Divintity of Christ and some Christian dogma.

Many Christians reject the church constantine built. I will not call them out by name.

 

[Dragon]

Constantine himself did not decide on the canonical New Testament, or Christian doctrine in general, but it was all done at his behest and according to his purposes. What he did, after becoming Emperor, was to engineer changes to Christianity that would allow it to become the new state religion of the Roman Empire. For this, he needed a consistent faith that taught the sacred basis of Imperial authority, while still being able to command popular adherence.

At that time, Christianity was highly diverse. Some Christian communities were tightly organized and authoritarian. Others were more libertarian, even anarchic. Some were ascetic, others practiced free love. Some were peaceful and respected government authority, others were radical and sometimes violent. Some respected property rights and the established order, others were communistic and preached liberation of all slaves. In fact, it was at least as diverse as it has become today, freed from enforceable central authority.

In 325, Constantine called a convocation of "bishops" to meet at Nicaea and produce an authoritative creed for all Christians. Note that only the authoritarian Christian sects had "bishops," so that in itself made sure the new creed would be one-sided. There is no evidence that Constantine micro-managed the process, but all of the delegates to the Council understood what he wanted. It still took a good deal of wrangling (dogmatists being dogmatists) before they could agree on the Nicene Creed, and even then there was dissent, notably by Arius; but the views of a great many Christians were never even represented, and their practice was later suppressed.

The New Testament canon was not finalized at the Council of Nicaea, but at future ecumenical councils. But Nicaea was the beginning of the Imperial Church, Christianity's third of four historical phases.

(I'll say nothing about the NT being a "Jewish plot." Except: how silly.)

 

[AmericanFirst]

I mean the Jews wrote the new testament, a fullfilment to all their ancient prophesies and now they don't even believe it. Why would they do that

Give it up. Your stupidity is already well known.

 

[nitroz]

does it matter?

Only when purchasing a used car.

Awh.

Looks like I'm buying new...

 

[editec]

Revelations is an example of one of those books that made the NT cut that was written by a Hellenic monk a century or more after Christ was dead.

Evidence or Link to back up your statement that Revelations was written by a Hellenic monk?

Thanks

You didn't know that the authorship of this book was a debate among scholars?

It's written originally in Greek, not Aramaic, and its style isn't remotely like John the Devine's other works.

Most Biblical scholars (who aren't fundamentalists waiting for the end times) agree the book was written in Greek by a Greek.

Here's an encapsulation of that debate from WIKI to get you started on your research.

Early views
Justin Martyr (c. 100–165 AD) who was acquainted with Polycarp, who had been mentored by John, makes a possible allusion to this book, and credits John as the source.[5] Irenaeus (c. 115–202) assumes it as a conceded point. At the end of the 2nd century, it is accepted at Antioch by Theophilus (died c. 183), and in Africa by Tertullian (c. 160–220). At the beginning of the 3rd century, it is adopted by Clement of Alexandria and by Origen of Alexandria, later by Methodius, Cyprian, Lactantius,[citation needed] Dionysius of Alexandria,[6] and in the 5th century by Quodvultdeus.[7] Eusebius (c. 263–339) was inclined to class the Apocalypse with the accepted books but also listed it in the Antilegomena, with his own reservation for identification of John of Patmos with John the Apostle, pointing out there were large difference in Greek skill and styles between the Gospel of John, which he doubtlessly attributed to John the Apostle, and the Revelation.[8] Jerome (347–420) relegated it to second class.[9] Most canons included it, but some in the Eastern Church rejected it, see Development of the New Testament canon for details. It is not included in the Peshitta (an early New Testament in Aramaic).[10]

 

[Sunni Man]

#1) All of the known NT books were written in Greek. (no earlier copies in any other language have been found)

#2) Although writing styles are different. No one can definitely prove either way if John of the Gospels is the same person as John of the Revelations.

#3) There is zero evidence that John the Revelator was a Monk.

#4) Just because the earliest known copies of the N.T. are in Greek. Does not mean that the writers were Hellenistic Greeks. (with the possible exception of Paul who writes that he is a Roman citizen of Greek descent)

 

[amrchaos]

I mean the Jews wrote the new testament, a fullfilment to all their ancient prophesies and now they don't even believe it. Why would they do that

Think about that one!

You are theorizing that the Jews created a religion with implications to destroy their own religion and force JEWS to become nearly identical to GENTILES.

Hardly.

Whatever you are taking needs to be banned! It is just not fit for human/Animal/Hyrid consumption. Probably kill plants to!

 

[amrchaos]

#1) All of the known NT books were written in Greek. (no earlier copies in any other language have been found)

#2) Although writing styles are different. No one can definitely prove either way if John of the Gospels is the same person as John of the Revelations.

#3) There is zero evidence that John the Revelator was a Monk.

#4) Just because the earliest known copies of the N.T. are in Greek. Does not mean that the writers were Hellenistic Greeks. (with the possible exception of Paul who writes that he is a Roman citizen of Greek descent)

But Sunni Man,

The implication that Jews wrote the NT is that The Jews, that believed in the Christ, are still JEWS(MSPedit).

But belief in the Jesus as the Messiah is one of the theological dividing lines between Judaism and Christianity. If the authors of the NT believed that Jesus was the Messiah, then they were Christians. It is possible that they were Jews Or Hellenic or whatever before hand, but once they came to accept Jesus as their Messiah, they are then to be considered Christians.


(Sorry, lots of corrections!)

 

[Sunni Man]

#1) All of the known NT books were written in Greek. (no earlier copies in any other language have been found)

#2) Although writing styles are different. No one can definitely prove either way if John of the Gospels is the same person as John of the Revelations.

#3) There is zero evidence that John the Revelator was a Monk.

#4) Just because the earliest known copies of the N.T. are in Greek. Does not mean that the writers were Hellenistic Greeks. (with the possible exception of Paul who writes that he is a Roman citizen of Greek descent)

But Sunni Man,

The implication that Jews wrote the NT is that The Jews, that believed in the Christ, are still JEWS(MSPedit).

But belief in the Jesus as the Messiah is one of the theological dividing lines between Judaism and Christianity. If the authors of the NT believed that Jesus was the Messiah, then they were Christians. It is possible that they were Jews Or Hellenic or whatever before hand, but once they came to accept Jesus as their Messiah, they are then to be considered Christians.

Even Jesus in the N.T. says that he was sent for the Jews and not the Gentile.

The original followers of Jesus were all Jewish and still continued to to celebrate all of the feasts and sat in the Temple even when he was gone.

So for the first almost 100 years what we now refer to as Christianity was just another Jewish sect that still practiced Judiasm.

The term Christian wasn't even used until well after Jesus's death. Basically, after Paul changed the religion into what we now call Christianity.

And that is when the division between Judiasm and Christianity took place.

 

[amrchaos]

#1) All of the known NT books were written in Greek. (no earlier copies in any other language have been found)

#2) Although writing styles are different. No one can definitely prove either way if John of the Gospels is the same person as John of the Revelations.

#3) There is zero evidence that John the Revelator was a Monk.

#4) Just because the earliest known copies of the N.T. are in Greek. Does not mean that the writers were Hellenistic Greeks. (with the possible exception of Paul who writes that he is a Roman citizen of Greek descent)

But Sunni Man,

The implication that Jews wrote the NT is that The Jews, that believed in the Christ, are still JEWS(MSPedit).

But belief in the Jesus as the Messiah is one of the theological dividing lines between Judaism and Christianity. If the authors of the NT believed that Jesus was the Messiah, then they were Christians. It is possible that they were Jews Or Hellenic or whatever before hand, but once they came to accept Jesus as their Messiah, they are then to be considered Christians.

Even Jesus in the N.T. says that he was sent for the Jews and not the Gentile.

The original followers of Jesus were all Jewish and still continued to to celebrate all of the feasts and sat in the Temple even when he was gone.

So for the first almost 100 years what we now refer to as Christianity was just another Jewish sect that still practiced Judiasm.

The term Christian wasn't even used until well after Jesus's death. Basically, after Paul changed the religion into what we now call Christianity.

And that is when the division between Judiasm and Christianity took place.

You can celebrate the feasts, and preach from the same doctrine, but once they declared Jesus as the messiah, they branched away from Judaism.

It is possible to say "they were still jews" only if they did not claim that Jesus was not the messiah. But in order for that to be, Jesus himself would have to declare that he, himself, was not the one John the Baptist is referring to. That begins to create a contradicition in terms of what Jesus wanted people to believe and what Christians actually believe.

As some point, before the death of Jesus, it was believed by his followers that Jesus was the messiah, or else the NT is not a truthful work at all. If Jesus followers and disciples did not believe before the death of Christ, then early Christianity is basically a farce.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Revelations is an example of one of those books that made the NT cut that was written by a Hellenic monk a century or more after Christ was dead.

Evidence or Link to back up your statement that Revelations was written by a Hellenic monk?

Thanks

Revelations was written by an exiled John who was sick and delirious. Anybody with one eye and half sense will quickly recogni e the delirium. Multi headed, horned monsters and the like aren't ordinarily placed in the soup du jour category. Talk about major bullschit!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

Revelations is an example of one of those books that made the NT cut that was written by a Hellenic monk a century or more after Christ was dead.

Evidence or Link to back up your statement that Revelations was written by a Hellenic monk?

Thanks

Revelations was written by an exiled John who was sick and delirious. Anybody with one eye and half sense will quickly recogni e the delirium. Multi headed, horned monsters and the like aren't ordinarily placed in the soup du jour category. Talk about major bullschit!!

What is major is your stupidity, as always.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Jesus was a Jew.

and? the idiot o/p said "the jews" wrote the new testament. they weren't jews if they believed the messiah had come.

You are off base on that one Jillian.

There were many Jewish sects during that time.

Jews who followed the Rabbi Yeshua (Jesus) were still Jewish.

And initially followed all of the Torah Laws, kept the feasts, and went to the Temple to worship.

Even the New Testament affirms this as being true.

It wasn't until after the death of Jesus that Paul came along and created a separate religion called Christianity.

Paul didn't create Christianity or the Church. The Church was established by Jesus. He told peter in Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hades will not overcome it." Peter means rock. Jesus was telling Peter that his faith is what the Church will be built on.