Was the C o v i d 1 9 vaccine "safe and effective?"

Was the C o v i d 1 9 vaccine Safe and Effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • No

    Votes: 18 81.8%
  • I am no longer certain?!

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    22
skye

correction i gave you the wrong link

 
SaxonJackson

correction i gave you the wrong link

 
I suspect I can’t prove anything to those who engage in anti-vaccine fantasies

How do you explain the huge difference in death rates among those who were vaccinated and those who were not?

Don't dance around the subject.

Let's see you prove any of those people would have died without the vaccine?
 
Don't dance around the subject.

Let's see you prove any of those people would have died without the vaccine?
the langley agent has never NOT danced around a topic when proven wrong.:auiqs.jpg:
 
Supposedly, from a "used to be" CEO of a drug company in Europe..............gave a speech years ago about the drugs being mostly placebos, simply because there wasn't any production facility on this planet that could keep up with the astronomical number of vials governments wanted shipped out.

More than likely.....people who NEVER got any side effects or died from "the jab" are the ones who got the placebos. The ones that got the REAL toxic dose are the ones we hear about with all the major medical issues and deaths that came out of nowhere.
 
glad to hear you did not have the same problems that all these people suffered from after taking it.
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You are illiterate on the subject, so this will help.

1. What we​

COVID deaths in the U.S.

  • Cumulative U.S. COVID‑19 deaths are a bit over 1.1 million.
How many people have Long COVID (overall, not just vaccinated)

  • CDC estimates that in 2023, about 5–7% of U.S. adults reported currently having Long COVID at any given time.
  • With roughly 260 million adults, that’s on the order of 13–18 million adults currently living with Long COVID–type symptoms.
So even without splitting by vaccination, you’re looking at well over 10 times as many people living with Long COVID as have died of COVID, probably closer to 15:1 or more.


2. What about​

Here’s the key problem:No U.S. dataset cleanly answers:

“Of everyone who took the vaccine, what percent now has Long COVID?”
What we do have:

  • A 2025 Nature Communications meta‑analysis found that vaccination reduces the odds of Long COVID by about 23% compared with being unvaccinated (odds ratio ≈ 0.77 for any vaccination vs none).
  • Boosters reduce the odds even further (OR ≈ 0.74 vs unvaccinated).
Given that:

  • Most U.S. adults have been vaccinated at least once, and
  • Vaccination lowers the risk of Long COVID rather than raising it,
the majority of Long COVID cases are likely among people who have been vaccinated at some point, simply because they’re the majority of the population—not because the vaccine causes Long COVID.

But we do not have a clean, national, “X% of vaccinated now have Long COVID” figure.


3. Direct answer to your ratio question​

If we phrase it this way:

“Roughly how many people are living with Long COVID now, compared with how many died of COVID in the U.S.?”
A reasonable, data‑grounded ballpark is:

  • Long COVID now: ~13–18 million adults
  • COVID deaths total: ~1.1 million
So the ratio of people living with Long COVID to people who died of COVID is on the order of:

~12–16 to 1


ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?utm_source=copilot.com

www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-65302-0?utm_source=copilot.com

ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?utm_source=copilot.com
 
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