Was the Afghanistan Tragedy Avoidable?

Was the Afghanistan Tragedy Avoidable?​

17 Aug 2021 ~~ By Rick Moran

Democrats are defending Joe Biden’s actions that led to the debacle in Afghanistan by pretending the debate is about whether he was right or wrong in ending “The Forever War.” That’s a strawman argument. Very few people are arguing we shouldn’t have left Afghanistan. Most are arguing we should have left long ago.
The real debate about the tragedy in Afghanistan is whether competent leadership could have avoided it.
Biden defended his administration by pointing the finger at everyone else. It’s Trump’s fault because he “left a bare cupboard” in Afghanistan. Apparently, there was no plan by the Trump administration to evacuate from the Kabul airport if the Taliban took over.
Why there should have been a plan in the first place is a question that goes unanswered — especially since the endgame envisioned by most American policymakers during the Trump years was a gradual drawdown of American troops while the Afghan army “stood up” to replace them. That drawdown would have taken place simultaneously with the conclusion of a negotiated agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban.
Biden’s rush to withdraw American troops gave the Taliban absolutely no incentive to negotiate. They attacked thanks to the opening given them by the Biden administration. The Afghanistan national army, seeing that they had been abandoned by the United States, realized the hopelessness of their plight and skedaddled.
Why would Biden expect that Afghan army to stand and fight when he had signaled loud and clear to the Taliban that the U.S. would politely step aside and let the Taliban pass?
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Biden did not face Hobson’s choice on Afghanistan withdrawal. There were several possible outcomes — all of which were predicated on the U.S. not cutting and running while leaving the Afghan army, government, and people to fend for themselves.
Perhaps most concerning of all is that “The Biden Doctrine” of surrender and panicked retreat might give some other bad actors in the world ideas.
The world has seen a President portraying surrender as an act of political courage, and retreat as strategic wisdom. As we write this, the world’s rogues are looking for ways to give him a chance to deliver a similar speech about other parts of the world.​
It’s a long way to 2024 and the American people have short memories — especially when it comes to our humiliations. But whatever claims that Biden could have made of being superior in intelligence and political skills to Donald Trump have been blown up by his fumbling in Afghanistan.



Comment:
Not to be left out, the Quisling Media has a big hand in this Afghanistan tragedy. They pimped the s.o.b. Joey Xi Bai Dung, now look at what we have. Joey has made the aspirations of both China and Russia now real.
China and Russia plans can now go fully into motion.

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Few people are saying that the US shouldn't leave Afghanistan, that is not the issue. Biden and others on the Left have tried to make that the issue, but that's nothing more than a strawman argument. Yes, we should have left Afghanistan, I posted that opinion myself several times. But the real issue that so many people, even for some on the Left, maintain isn't that we left but how and when we did it. There was no pressing need to leave so abruptly, no reason (except possibly political ones) for Biden not to do his own negotiations with the Taliban and the Afghan gov't to ensure a safe and orderly evacuation, not only of our troops but also our equipment and our citizens and Afghan supporters who now face almost certain death if they can't get out fast enough.

It was very poorly handled and apparently uncoordinated with our allies. In simple terms, Biden fucked up.
 
Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war"
Fuck Julian Assange
 
Avoidable?

Nope
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Wait.. you mean right wing rags are trying to deflect from that failed TWENTY YEAR war and blame Biden for getting out?

Shocking
 
Sure it was. We should have never occupied the country in the first place.
We never did occupy it. We tried to install a government that was likely controlled by Pakistani Intel. The same assholes that created the Taliban
 
Wait.. you mean right wing rags are trying to deflect from that failed TWENTY YEAR war and blame Biden for getting out?

Shocking
Do you include the 8 years under Obama in that scree.... and the four years with the lowest KIA and casualty reports under Trump?
Surely Trump would have evacuated the Americans and our allies before he pulled out our troops. Not like Bai Dung who did the opposite.
If there there was any ass backward moves that could have been made Joey Xi checked all the boxes on the withdrawal from both Iraq in 2011 where we hade to go back three years later and this most recent blunder by Joey.
Hmm maybe if we had told him the leader of the Taliban was 'Corn Pop' reincarnated joey would have threatened him with a 6ft chain again, but sadly now America must endure the worst military and foreign policy move in it's history and suffer the future attacks from the terrorist that will surely follow.
Is Joey Xi prepared to pay ransoms for those he's left behind, or write the letters of condolence to those beheaded and killed in the most heinous manners by the Taliban in the weeks and months to come? I don't think so...

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Was the Afghanistan Tragedy Avoidable?​

17 Aug 2021 ~~ By Rick Moran

Democrats are defending Joe Biden’s actions that led to the debacle in Afghanistan by pretending the debate is about whether he was right or wrong in ending “The Forever War.” That’s a strawman argument. Very few people are arguing we shouldn’t have left Afghanistan. Most are arguing we should have left long ago.
The real debate about the tragedy in Afghanistan is whether competent leadership could have avoided it.
Biden defended his administration by pointing the finger at everyone else. It’s Trump’s fault because he “left a bare cupboard” in Afghanistan. Apparently, there was no plan by the Trump administration to evacuate from the Kabul airport if the Taliban took over.
Why there should have been a plan in the first place is a question that goes unanswered — especially since the endgame envisioned by most American policymakers during the Trump years was a gradual drawdown of American troops while the Afghan army “stood up” to replace them. That drawdown would have taken place simultaneously with the conclusion of a negotiated agreement between the Afghan government and the Taliban.
Biden’s rush to withdraw American troops gave the Taliban absolutely no incentive to negotiate. They attacked thanks to the opening given them by the Biden administration. The Afghanistan national army, seeing that they had been abandoned by the United States, realized the hopelessness of their plight and skedaddled.
Why would Biden expect that Afghan army to stand and fight when he had signaled loud and clear to the Taliban that the U.S. would politely step aside and let the Taliban pass?
~snip~
Biden did not face Hobson’s choice on Afghanistan withdrawal. There were several possible outcomes — all of which were predicated on the U.S. not cutting and running while leaving the Afghan army, government, and people to fend for themselves.
Perhaps most concerning of all is that “The Biden Doctrine” of surrender and panicked retreat might give some other bad actors in the world ideas.
The world has seen a President portraying surrender as an act of political courage, and retreat as strategic wisdom. As we write this, the world’s rogues are looking for ways to give him a chance to deliver a similar speech about other parts of the world.​
It’s a long way to 2024 and the American people have short memories — especially when it comes to our humiliations. But whatever claims that Biden could have made of being superior in intelligence and political skills to Donald Trump have been blown up by his fumbling in Afghanistan.



Comment:
Not to be left out, the Quisling Media has a big hand in this Afghanistan tragedy. They pimped the s.o.b. Joey Xi Bai Dung, now look at what we have. Joey has made the aspirations of both China and Russia now real.
China and Russia plans can now go fully into motion.

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We voted for the Surrender in Chief who said the Taliban would not overrun the country. The fault lies with the American voters.
 
We voted for the Surrender in Chief who said the Taliban would not overrun the country. The fault lies with the American voters.
Wouldn't it be more correct to say that the fault lies with the US military for not winning the war?
It's called 'surrender' when you leave before winning a war.
Some even call it LOSING.

America is extremely lucky to leave with just 13 dead! Compare that to any other evacuation of a defeated army.
 
Tom Paine 1949, the truth isn't popular with either side of America's political shitfight and so will need to be avoided for a while.

But in the end the spin will obviously favour Biden for ending the war and the evacuation success.

Not curious at all that the Trumpers aren't trying to grab the credit for Trump making the deal.
 
And the gaslighting attempts start. In Trumpland, Trump's unconditional surrender agreement, the one that most of them praised, was actually done by Biden!

Now, I don't blame Trump for negotiating a withdrawl. I blame him for just surrendering. He gave the Taliban everything, and got nothing in return. That's typical of his "negotiating."

Anyways, I hope we can all agree to primarily blame George W. Bush, and that the antiwar liberals of the Bush era were right, and especially that our nutty pro-war conservative MSM was totally wrong to push warwarwarwarwar.
Yes. Lefties love to gaslight. Liars that they are.
 
Wouldn't it be more correct to say that the fault lies with the US military for not winning the war?
It's called 'surrender' when you leave before winning a war.
Some even call it LOSING.

America is extremely lucky to leave with just 13 dead! Compare that to any other evacuation of a defeated army.
We weren’t defeated we just decided to call it a day. They weren’t overrun you dumbass Canuck.
 

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