Was Reconstruction a Military Occupation?

[martybegan]

You need to research the rise of the second KKK in the early 1900s and learn the reasons behind it.

The 2nd KKK would have had a hard time existing if the first one never rose up.

The first one was strictly against the freedmen and the carpetbaggers, but the reason for the carpetbaggers was the freedmen still being there.

 

[Mr Natural]

Those Crackers needed to be occupied.

 

[longly]

I have a degree in history and taught the subject. You have at best a middle school level of understanding about Reconstruction. I took an entire class on just the Civil War and Reconstruction during college. That was also the name of the textbook. It was over 1000 pages. I had to read it cover to cover.

You're correct—most of the history courses I’ve taken in school were survey courses. The only upper‑level course I took was on the history of the Constitution. However, for my survey courses, Dr. Jones was an extraordinary teacher. He added play‑acting to his lectures, wore costumes, and used or demonstrated weapon mockups.

Most of my knowledge of history comes from my own individual study. All my life I’ve had a strong curiosity about just about everything, along with a love of history, geography, general science, anthropology, and even some elements of chemistry. This has made me something of a nerd and, admittedly, a bit boring to most people. That’s why I enjoy discussion forums.

Still, you shouldn’t let this stuff affect you emotionally. After all, the people of those eras have been dead for a very long time.

I choose this one.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The 2nd KKK would have had a hard time existing if the first one never rose up.

The first one was strictly against the freedmen and the carpetbaggers, but the reason for the carpetbaggers was the freedmen still being there.

I prefer my college professors opinions to yours, thank you,and I went to school in Alabama and Florida.

 

[martybegan]

I prefer my college professors opinions to yours, thank you,and I went to school in Alabama and Florida.

Yee haw.

History has always been a passion of mine, just not a job.

Current book I am re-reading, as is my habit.

To Lose a Battle

 

[longly]

I prefer my college professors opinions to yours, thank you,and I went to school in Alabama and Florida.

You use the title ‘Admiral,’ which makes me wonder—are you a retired military man?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Most people don’t realize this, but during the period known as Reconstruction in the South, it was effectively an occupation—an Army occupation. The first two years were a strict military occupation, and the remainder was a modified occupation.

There were many resistors throughout the South, but only in the Trans‑Mississippi region—mostly Texas and Louisiana—was the resistance especially extreme. Two of the most famous of these resistors were John Wesley Hardin and William “Wild Bill” Longley.

Both men killed members of the Texas State Police, which at that time was largely composed of Black Union soldiers, along with “scalawags,” carpetbaggers, and Republican politicians. They were essentially fighting a clandestine war against the Reconstruction‑era Texas State Police.

However, the two men were treated very differently by the courts. Longley was captured during Reconstruction and tried by Reconstruction courts, while Hardin was captured later, in the 1890s, and tried by a “free” Texas court after Reconstruction had ended.

Longley was sentenced to hang, while Hardin received 20 years, was eventually pardoned by the governor, became a lawyer, and returned to live with his wife in the Florida Panhandle.

The two men were very different characters. If you remember, there was a 1950s TV Western called The Texan that was loosely based on Wild Bill Longley, but in reality he was nothing like that. In modern terms, he might be considered a psychopath—he killed for political reasons, personal reasons, revenge, and sometimes simply for crime.

Hardin’s killings, by contrast, were more personal and more political, and there is no proof he ever robbed anyone or killed anyone unconnected to the occupation.

Both men were eventually captured, but Longley was, in my opinion, executed more for revenge than for justice, whereas Hardin was sentenced to 20 years. The difference is that Longley was tried under Reconstruction, while Hardin was tried in post‑Reconstruction Texas.

Both men remain controversial figures in Texas history because of their resistance to Reconstruction. But in my opinion, the same people who condemn these men as “outlaws” are often the same people who argued that we should understand why Iraqis resisted our occupation. Texans were resisting an occupation as well.

As the old saying goes: it depends on whose ox is being gored.

Harding was a bummer.

 

[Quantrill]

You mean those lies you posted?

You couldn't justify the most important one which makes all of the other's null and void.

You make the accusation but provide nothing to support save your laughing emojis. That is some deep historical insight. I'm sure your degree is covered with those same emojis What a laugh..

Yet you don't mention your so-called 'most important one'. Which shows your scared and full of shit.

Where did you get your history degree and why don't you tell us why you chose "Quantrill" as a username.

In post #(86) I proved that the Tenth Amendment legalizes secession. And I proved you don't know what you're talking about.

Your response: You want to know where I got a history degree. You don't try and disprove what I said. You want to make the 'degree' the decider of truth. Again, more bullshit. In other words, you got a damn history degree, you say, so that must make you superior to anyone who doesn't. Though anyone who has the ability to read can challenge your so-called 'history degree'.

Your bullshit Yankee history degree doesn't override history. Just because you got a degree doesn't mean you can make shit up, which is what you do. You just belch the shit they have shoved up your ass, and call it 'history'.

I chose the name of Quantrill because I like him. I am proud of him. Had I lived in that day I would have been proud to have rode with him and his men.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Secession without consent of the rest of the States trampled the constitution. The North had to make up a new rulebook for the situation because the Constitution simply never covered how to handle a secession crisis.

Not true. Where in the world did you get the idea that a sovereign State needed the consent of the rest of the States to secede? Each State seceded on it's own decision. Were the consent of the rest of the States necessary to ratify each State entrance into the Union?


The Tenth Amendment covered how to handle secession. The State resumes the powers it formerly delegated to the Federal govt. We are no longer part of the United States. We are no longer under the rule of the United States.

See post #(86).

Quantrill

 

[martybegan]

Not true. Where in the world did you get the idea that a soverign State needed the consent of the rest of the States to secede? Each State seceded on it's own decision.

The Tenth Amendment covered how to handle secession. The State resumes the powers it formerly delegated to the Federal govt. We are no longer part of the United States. We are no longer under the rule of the United States.

See post #(86).

Quantrill

Because they entered into a Contract with the other States to form a Union, and you can't back out of a Contract unilaterally without either A) a defined procedure to do so or B) the consent of the other party or parties.

The 10th Amendment says no such thing.

 

[longly]

Harding was a bummer.

Of the two—Hardin and Longley—Hardin comes across with a better reputation. Hardin is considered more dangerous, but also more stable, more disciplined, and more intelligent. He later became a lawyer, and most of his violence was directed toward people he considered enemies, such as Reconstruction officials or men involved in feuds with him.

Longley, on the other hand, was considered dangerous to almost everyone. Hardin was a Methodist, and his father was a Methodist preacher and schoolteacher. Hardin himself was well educated and intelligent. Longley was less educated, less stable, and far more erratic. His father was a farmer.

Because of these differences, historians generally treat Hardin more seriously—and more favorably—than Longley.

 

[Quantrill]

Because they entered into a Contract with the other States to form a Union, and you can't back out of a Contract unilaterally without either A) a defined procedure to do so or B) the consent of the other party or parties.

The 10th Amendment says no such thing.

So what. They entered on their own accord. Did the sovereign States need the approval of other States to ratify the Constitution? And, as I said, as the 10th Amendment says, the powers they gave to the Federal govt. were delegated. Not surrendered. And that which is delegated can be resumed. See again post #(86).

Bullshit. The Tenth Amendment says just that

Quantrill.

 

[martybegan]

So what. They entered on their own accord. Did the sovereign States need the approval of other States to ratify the Constitution? And, as I said, as the 10th Amendment says, the powers they gave to the Federal govt. were delegated. Not surrendered. And that which is delegated can be resumed. See again post #(86).

Bullshit. The Tenth Amendment says just that

Quantrill.

So what? That's reality.

The 10th amendment says nothing about being able to secede.

 

[Quantrill]

So what? That's reality.

The 10th amendment says nothing about being able to secede.

Bullshit. You say the 10th Amendment says nothing about secession. I showed in post #(86) that it does. I didn't just 'say it' like you do. I proved it.

And you don't address it. You just 'say it'. Typical Yankee bullshit.

Quantrill

 

[martybegan]

Bullshit. You say the 10th Amendment says nothing about secession. I showed in post #(86) that it does. I didn't just 'say it' like you do. I proved it.

And you don't address it. You just 'say it'. Typical Yankee bullshit.

Quantrill

you think it does. It doesn't.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You use the title ‘Admiral,’ which makes me wonder—are you a retired military man?

Not retired. A victim of the peace dividend in the 90s. I served 23 years active and reserve. Left as LCDR.

 

[Quantrill]

you think it does. It doesn't.

No, dumbass, I showed that it does.

All you do is 'say' it doesn't.

So, prove me wrong.

Quantrill

 

[longly]

Not retired. A victim of the peace dividend in the 90s. I served 23 years active and reserve. Left as LCDR.

That's not bad — pretty good. That's equivalent to a Major, like Jack Reacher. Of course, I realize Jack Reacher is a fictional character and you're real. You weren't in the military police, were you? I was in radar myself, assigned to AWACS.

Why do you consider yourself a victim? You didn’t want to leave the military — I didn’t either — but I really don’t consider myself a victim. I loved it. It was the best part of my life.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That's not bad — pretty good. That's equivalent to a Major, like Jack Reacher. Of course, I realize Jack Reacher is a fictional character and you're real. You weren't in the military police, were you? I was in radar myself, assigned to AWACS.

Why do you consider yourself a victim? You didn’t want to leave the military — I didn’t either — but I really don’t consider myself a victim. I loved it. It was the best part of my life.

I wanted to stay and there was simply no way they were going to let me. I did nothing wrong except what was asked of me, but they looked at me like a dinosaur after only 10 years because they trained me for ships they were shitcanning.

I started out as an electronics technician in the nuclear field after enlisting in the Navy out of high school. I was trained in communication and radar systems for further training as a reactor operator. Before I went to nuke school, I was selected for NROTC and commissioned as Surface Warfare Officer. I qualified submarines (enlisted) while a midshipman. I was a weapons officer, and engineering officer (three times) for my three tours on board ship.

 

[longly]

I wanted to stay and there was simply no way they were going to let me. I did nothing wrong except what was asked of me, but they looked at me like a dinosaur after only 10 years because they trained me for ships they were shitcanning.

I started out as an electronics technician in the nuclear field after enlisting in the Navy out of high school. I was trained in communication and radar systems for further training as a reactor operator. Before I went to nuke school, I was selected for NROTC and commissioned as Surface Warfare Officer. I qualified submarines (enlisted) while a midshipman. I was a weapons officer, and engineering officer (three times) for my three tours on board ship.

When I was in the Electronic Security Command, I saw many officers whom I considered outstanding get RIF’d. Perhaps I was biased because I knew these men, but it seemed to me that the Air Force went out of its way to separate some of its best officers. A great deal of talent was lost as a result.