Was Rand Paul talking about James Hodgkinson?

[Synthaholic]

If James Hodgkinson believed that he was firing shots against government tyranny, is he excused? If not, why not?

If Rand Paul (and many others) believe what he said, how do we determine who is fighting tyranny and who is a hyper-partisan nutjob?

Or is his entire statement just nonsense to begin with?

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Auld Phart]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

 

[Synthaholic]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

 

[Avatar4321]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

He is not. The government wasn't firing upon him first.

 

[kyzr]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?
If not, why not?

No, he is not excused. That's an easy one. (there is no tyranny, the GOP hasn't done anything yet)

 

[Synthaholic]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

He is not. The government wasn't firing upon him first.

So, you believe that government tyranny only takes the form of violence against the citizens?

 

[kyzr]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?
If not, why not?

No, he is not excused. That's an easy one. (there is no tyranny, the GOP hasn't done anything yet)

No, he is not excused. That's an easy one. (there is no tyranny, the GOP hasn't done anything yet)

 

[Auld Phart]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

 

[Trouble13]

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If James Hodgkinson believed that he was firing shots against government tyranny, is he excused? If not, why not?

If Rand Paul (and many others) believe what he said, how do we determine who is fighting tyranny and who is a hyper-partisan nutjob?

Or is his entire statement just nonsense to begin with?

I guess it depends if you believe we are at war with our gov. It did not come across as an act to start a revolution but he might of thought it was.

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[Synthaholic]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?
If not, why not?

No, he is not excused. That's an easy one. (there is no tyranny, the GOP hasn't done anything yet)

In your subjective opinion. There is no objective standard.

One man's government tyranny is another man's income tax pain in the ass.

One man's government tyranny is Donald Trump using government's eminent domain to take his family's property to build a casino parking lot in Atlantic City in the 1980s.

Trump has done enough things, the Republican Congress has done enough things, and are planning to do more, to qualify as somebody's definition of government tyranny.

So therefore, is Rand Paul's statement bullshit or not?

 

[Synthaholic]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

Of course not. I'm not a violence-threatening rightwinger.

Was Randy Weaver firing at government tyranny when the agents had a legal, court-ordered warrant for his arrest?

Do we fight the government with bullets, like Weaver, or do we go to court and defend our rights?

 

[Synthaholic]

I guess it depends if you believe we are at war with our gov. It did not come across as an act to start a revolution but he might of thought it was.

Exactly!

So how should Rand Paul's statement be viewed?

And should the shooter be excused if he believed Rand Paul's argument, which is also believed by a sizable number of rightwingers?

 

[Auld Phart]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

Of course not. I'm not a violence-threatening rightwinger.

Was Randy Weaver firing at government tyranny when the agents had a legal, court-ordered warrant for his arrest?

Do we fight the government with bullets, like Weaver, or do we go to court and defend our rights?

Who fired the first shot?

Weaver, or the gubmit men trespassing on his property?

 

[Synthaholic]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

Of course not. I'm not a violence-threatening rightwinger.

Was Randy Weaver firing at government tyranny when the agents had a legal, court-ordered warrant for his arrest?

Do we fight the government with bullets, like Weaver, or do we go to court and defend our rights?

Who fired the first shot?

Weaver, or the gubmit men trespassing on his property?

The sequence of events during the ensuing shootout is disputed, with Weaver and Harris saying that the camouflaged marshals fired first[5] and did not identify themselves. The marshals' version of events is when they were rising to identify themselves, they were fired on first by Sammy and Harris.[5][10] In another version of events, the Weavers' dog, Striker, was shot as he exposed a hiding Bill Degan, Sammy Weaver shot Bill Degan in retaliation, then a running Sammy was shot in the back by a dying Bill Degan and/or other federal agents.[11] Both died. After this, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) was called in to assist with the situation.


Randy Weaver - Wikipedia

 

[Lakhota]

The OP sounds reasonable considering that Trump suggested using the "2nd Amendment Remedy" on Hillary Clinton.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[Auld Phart]

are you saying Hodgkinson was right in what he did?

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

Of course not. I'm not a violence-threatening rightwinger.

Was Randy Weaver firing at government tyranny when the agents had a legal, court-ordered warrant for his arrest?

Do we fight the government with bullets, like Weaver, or do we go to court and defend our rights?

Who fired the first shot?

Weaver, or the gubmit men trespassing on his property?

The sequence of events during the ensuing shootout is disputed, with Weaver and Harris saying that the camouflaged marshals fired first[5] and did not identify themselves. The marshals' version of events is when they were rising to identify themselves, they were fired on first by Sammy and Harris.[5][10] In another version of events, the Weavers' dog, Striker, was shot as he exposed a hiding Bill Degan, Sammy Weaver shot Bill Degan in retaliation, then a running Sammy was shot in the back by a dying Bill Degan and/or other federal agents.[11] Both died. After this, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) was called in to assist with the situation.


Randy Weaver - Wikipedia

I know, I just read the same article.

regardless...

IF Weaver shot first, he was shooting at unannounced trespassers on his property.

Hodgkinson can't make that claim

 

[IsaacNewton]

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If James Hodgkinson believed that he was firing shots against government tyranny, is he excused? If not, why not?

If Rand Paul (and many others) believe what he said, how do we determine who is fighting tyranny and who is a hyper-partisan nutjob?

Or is his entire statement just nonsense to begin with?

Consider also (not a second amendment issue), what if the person isn't shooting he is destroying property instead because he/she believes the government is against the people? Are burning cars and broken storefront windows fight-back against the government legitimate?

What about seizing tea from a ship and destroying it?

 

[Synthaholic]

I am asking: if he believed that he was using his 2nd amendment responsibility to fight government tyranny, is he excused?

If not, why not?

No more than Randy Weaver, Koresh, the Unibomber, etc.

Now, answer my question;

Do you agree with what he did?

Of course not. I'm not a violence-threatening rightwinger.

Was Randy Weaver firing at government tyranny when the agents had a legal, court-ordered warrant for his arrest?

Do we fight the government with bullets, like Weaver, or do we go to court and defend our rights?

Who fired the first shot?

Weaver, or the gubmit men trespassing on his property?

The sequence of events during the ensuing shootout is disputed, with Weaver and Harris saying that the camouflaged marshals fired first[5] and did not identify themselves. The marshals' version of events is when they were rising to identify themselves, they were fired on first by Sammy and Harris.[5][10] In another version of events, the Weavers' dog, Striker, was shot as he exposed a hiding Bill Degan, Sammy Weaver shot Bill Degan in retaliation, then a running Sammy was shot in the back by a dying Bill Degan and/or other federal agents.[11] Both died. After this, the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) was called in to assist with the situation.


Randy Weaver - Wikipedia

I know, I just read the same article.

regardless...

IF Weaver shot first, he was shooting at unannounced trespassers on his property.

Hodgkinson can't make that claim

You brought up Weaver. Why? I don't know.