Was Obama a racist when he wrote this ??

[Disenchanted61]

Whites have been pretty darn lame throughout our world history, and they have a way of justifying
their contempt for humanity also. But that does not make all whites lame, just the ignorant ones.

Course if you had been you saying that to my face I would have cold-cocked you.

I roll that way.[/QUOTE Thank you for making my point............... lame white guy.

 

[CentristFiasco]

I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race .....

Is it racist when I said this in a letter to Obama?

"You are the Son of Africa"?

 

[Disenchanted61]

Whites have been pretty darn lame throughout our world history, and they have a way of justifying
their contempt for humanity also. But that does not make all whites lame, just the ignorant ones.

Course if you had been you saying that to my face I would have cold-cocked you.

I roll that way.

I can arrange to have you rolling with the punches if you would like.

 

[MeBelle]

I don't necessarily think he's a racist.....that may be less of an issue of what his behavior demonstrates. His socialist leanings in policy and in particular his rhetoric is as detrimental to blacks and other minorities as well as the poor although he fuels the fire of class warfare. Most of all it seems as if he sees himself as more of a dictator than a president. His thin skinned reactions and the hostility at times seem like that of a spoiled brat.

Obama isn't a racist. He is a Class warfarest. He hates people who have dared to be successful, and are more than just barely making it.

Does that mean he hates Nancy Pelosi and family, himself, the Kennedy's...?

 

[yidnar]

Obama is an elitist ....so he doesn't kin to average folks becoming successful !!

 

[frazzledgear]

It depends on when he said if nursing was to help remove or to help further, which could be either. I think he was using words bigger then he can understand to be honest.

Nursing a sense of grievance etc. means to feed one's resentment in order to keep it alive so it is always right there. It doesn't mean "trying to use it for a positive force" under any circumstances. That isn't what he was saying in this sentence so don't try to magically read more into it. Also don't try to mitigate what is being said here or just to rationalize it away -there is absolutely no need for that!

Exactly which of those words in that sentence were just "too big" and led you to believe THIS man couldn't possibly comprehend what he was really saying? Even though everyone reading those words sure understands them. Do you think these are words only white people can understand -but a black man somehow just doesn't really know what he's saying when he uses these words? Your statement that he was using words "too big" to understand is truly MINDBOGGLINGLY arrogant to those reading the words because they are EASILY understandable -and therefore it is also shows a breathtaking and jaw dropping level of condescension toward Obama, a Harvard law graduate I'm pretty sure was saying EXACTLY what he intended here!

You would have been better off defending him for writing it -because THAT I can understand and totally accept and so can most people when such a statement is kept in its original context and not cherry picked out like this. Not too difficult to understand how it might be that the son of a black man and a white woman may not have been able to identify in the least with the race of his mother and reached a point in his life where he was nursing racial grievances and resentments toward those of that race. But even cherry picked out of context like this you can't miss the fact this sentence also suggests there is more beyond just this one sentence.

Obama's and my politics are polar opposites and I can't wait to cast my vote for his replacement next year. But having totally different political beliefs doesn't mean I must assume that is "proof" he is capable of any and all evil though including a deep antipathy toward the overwhelming VAST majority of Americans! (that is far more typical of a liberal to claim those who don't share his/her political opinions do so because they are just plain evil -but it is not a typical conservative stunt) And it also doesn't mean I can't spot a sentence taken out of his book or that I can't spot an autobiographical character explanation when I see it. An autobiographical self-character explanation is an author's discussion about an epiphany of some kind the author believes contributed to making him the man he is today. But in order to explain the magnitude of the epiphany, it typically starts with an admission of bad behavior, irrational thoughts or prejudices followed by the nature of the epiphany that led him to change or abandon them and thus move him in a more positive direction and away from what he NOW recognizes is bad or wrong even though at the time, he did not. This sentence is from his book -and he did indeed go on to explain how he moved past this point in his life.

So to answer the original poster's question about whether he was racist when he wrote this sentence -the answer is NO! He was not expressing any racist beliefs when he WROTE this sentence, it was an ADMISSION he once held such beliefs and behaved in this way. It is an admission that he is able to NOW acknowledge those beliefs and behavior were wrong. Which means he was a racist when he was actually DOING this -but not a racist for his admission he USED to do this. And the other sentences that followed this in his book that were not also copied go on to explain in greater depth what changed for him and led him to realize he should NOT do this. It is an admission that totally humanizes him and maybe for those who think of him as some kind of infallible god that can't be tolerated -but it only proves his shared humanity. With all the faults that implies.

 

[yidnar]

NO GO !!!! if this was his only statement about his distrust and dislike for the white race when he was a young man maybe I would agree with you .....but considering his anti American friends and the church he attended for 20 YRs the road he traveled leads to guilt it does not take an enlightened fork to redemption !!

 

[yidnar]

rev Wright Obamas pastor for 20 yrs has repeatedly said hateful things about Israel,whites,and America !!

 

[mudwhistle]

Whites have been pretty darn lame throughout our world history, and they have a way of justifying
their contempt for humanity also. But that does not make all whites lame, just the ignorant ones.

Course if you had been you saying that to my face I would have cold-cocked you.

I roll that way.

I can arrange to have you rolling with the punches if you would like.

Oh.....I'm really scared.

 

[mudwhistle]

Question:


Do you think blacks are more in need of government aid than whites?

Do you think blacks can't be racist?

Do you think that people only criticize Obama because he's black?

Would you be more happy if your kids married within their race?

Would you date someone from another race but hesitate to marry them?

Do you feel your race is naturally better then other races?

Do you think keeping within your race is very important?


Answer yes to any of these questions you probably are racist.

 

[yidnar]

blacks will never adapt to democratic rule !!

 

[mudwhistle]

It depends on when he said if nursing was to help remove or to help further, which could be either. I think he was using words bigger then he can understand to be honest.

Nursing a sense of grievance etc. means to feed one's resentment in order to keep it alive so it is always right there. It doesn't mean "trying to use it for a positive force" under any circumstances. That isn't what he was saying in this sentence so don't try to magically read more into it. Also don't try to mitigate what is being said here or just to rationalize it away -there is absolutely no need for that!

Exactly which of those words in that sentence were just "too big" and led you to believe THIS man couldn't possibly comprehend what he was really saying? Even though everyone reading those words sure understands them. Do you think these are words only white people can understand -but a black man somehow just doesn't really know what he's saying when he uses these words? Your statement that he was using words "too big" to understand is truly MINDBOGGLINGLY arrogant to those reading the words because they are EASILY understandable -and therefore it is also shows a breathtaking and jaw dropping level of condescension toward Obama, a Harvard law graduate I'm pretty sure was saying EXACTLY what he intended here!

You would have been better off defending him for writing it -because THAT I can understand and totally accept and so can most people when such a statement is kept in its original context and not cherry picked out like this. Not too difficult to understand how it might be that the son of a black man and a white woman may not have been able to identify in the least with the race of his mother and reached a point in his life where he was nursing racial grievances and resentments toward those of that race. But even cherry picked out of context like this you can't miss the fact this sentence also suggests there is more beyond just this one sentence.

Obama's and my politics are polar opposites and I can't wait to cast my vote for his replacement next year. But having totally different political beliefs doesn't mean I must assume that is "proof" he is capable of any and all evil though including a deep antipathy toward the overwhelming VAST majority of Americans! (that is far more typical of a liberal to claim those who don't share his/her political opinions do so because they are just plain evil -but it is not a typical conservative stunt) And it also doesn't mean I can't spot a sentence taken out of his book or that I can't spot an autobiographical character explanation when I see it. An autobiographical self-character explanation is an author's discussion about an epiphany of some kind the author believes contributed to making him the man he is today. But in order to explain the magnitude of the epiphany, it typically starts with an admission of bad behavior, irrational thoughts or prejudices followed by the nature of the epiphany that led him to change or abandon them and thus move him in a more positive direction and away from what he NOW recognizes is bad or wrong even though at the time, he did not. This sentence is from his book -and he did indeed go on to explain how he moved past this point in his life.

So to answer the original poster's question about whether he was racist when he wrote this sentence -the answer is NO! He was not expressing any racist beliefs when he WROTE this sentence, it was an ADMISSION he once held such beliefs and behaved in this way. It is an admission that he is able to NOW acknowledge those beliefs and behavior were wrong. Which means he was a racist when he was actually DOING this -but not a racist for his admission he USED to do this. And the other sentences that followed this in his book that were not also copied go on to explain in greater depth what changed for him and led him to realize he should NOT do this. It is an admission that totally humanizes him and maybe for those who think of him as some kind of infallible god that can't be tolerated -but it only proves his shared humanity. With all the faults that implies.

You're saying his book is bullshit in other words.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lets be honest with each other...We will always love our people more then the other people that are of different color. That's just the way it is. Blacks will always love there people and whites will always love theres. We must be separate and work towards forever peace between our tribes. God bless us both...That's the way god wished it to be. That is the way god wented it to be...No matter how hard we work to combine our tribes we could never accept the destruction of either. We're both special. We love our peoples. We will fight to the death for our tribes and who we're. Forever.

It is human nature...The way god wished it to be within the tower of babel.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Obama has never done anything to warrant the label of being racist. Yet so many "anyone-but-Obama" people insist on assuming that as the first black President, he must be racist. That makes you the racist.

I'm really surprised by all the meaningless babble I see on this board against Obama. I'm with many of you in not liking him or wanting him to be reelected. But so much of the stuff I see on this board against him is only the stuff that will make him stronger as a candidate, by making his detractors look so bad and trivial. Fight him on his policies.

 

[Amelia]

Obama has never done anything to warrant the label of being racist. Yet so many "anyone-but-Obama" people insist on assuming that as the first black President, he must be racist. That makes you the racist.

I'm really surprised by all the meaningless babble I see on this board against Obama. I'm with many of you in not liking him or wanting him to be reelected. But so much of the stuff I see on this board against him is only the stuff that will make him stronger as a candidate, by making his detractors look so bad and trivial. Fight him on his policies.

Hmmmm ... no .... what makes him sound racist is comments like, "I don't know the facts of the case but it's obvious the white cop acted stupidly."

That was his knee jerk response as leader of the nation?

Washington, we have a problem.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama has never done anything to warrant the label of being racist. Yet so many "anyone-but-Obama" people insist on assuming that as the first black President, he must be racist. That makes you the racist.

I'm really surprised by all the meaningless babble I see on this board against Obama. I'm with many of you in not liking him or wanting him to be reelected. But so much of the stuff I see on this board against him is only the stuff that will make him stronger as a candidate, by making his detractors look so bad and trivial. Fight him on his policies.

Hmmmm ... no .... what makes him sound racist is comments like, "I don't know the facts of the case but it's obvious the white cop acted stupidly."

The tribes be it white or black will never completely agree to govern each other with the other. We must govern our selfs with our own people. Blacks with black governments and white with white governments. We will never accept each others judgement as we're different. That is the only way it can work. We must always be with our peoples and must always be fairly judged by our peoples...Never forced to be judged by the other tribe. Be it blacks being judged by whites or whites being judged by blacks. That is the only fair way.

 

[Inthemiddle]

Hmmmm ... no .... what makes him sound racist is comments like, "I don't know the facts of the case but it's obvious the white cop acted stupidly."

That was his knee jerk response as leader of the nation?

Washington, we have a problem.

Well then, I guess it's a good thing he never said that. See, this is what I'm saying. You're taking an incident, you're deliberately misquoting what Obama said, in an effort to smear him and label him a racist, all because you want him voted out of office next year. While I share your hope for the next election, I won't pursue it in such a dishonest way as you are doing. Because by making up falsehoods like you are doing here, you're GIVING THE MAN MORE POWER to win.

 

[Amelia]

Hmmmm ... no .... what makes him sound racist is comments like, "I don't know the facts of the case but it's obvious the white cop acted stupidly."

That was his knee jerk response as leader of the nation?

Washington, we have a problem.

Well then, I guess it's a good thing he never said that. See, this is what I'm saying. You're taking an incident, you're deliberately misquoting what Obama said, in an effort to smear him and label him a racist, all because you want him voted out of office next year. While I share your hope for the next election, I won't pursue it in such a dishonest way as you are doing. Because by making up falsehoods like you are doing here, you're GIVING THE MAN MORE POWER to win.

No, I did not deliberately misquote him.

I paraphrased him. My paraphrase is faithful to the essence of his response. I just didn't want to look it up for the direct quote.

He commented in a racially biased and inflammatory way on a situation which he shouldn't have commented on because as he noted, he didn't have the facts. He maligned a very good officer. His comments were unjust to the officer and the Cambridge police department as a whole.

And yes, his comments were racially prejudiced.


As president he was utterly irresponsible to comment that way about a situation he didn't know the details about. No one has more access to facts in general than the president and still he bulled on in that irresponsible and biased way without checking the facts first.

 

[Lakhota]

whose tit was he on?

It was in the book Dreams From My Father that he wrote ...

This simply is 100% FALSE:

PolitiFact | Obama didn't write that

Obama never wrote anything like that, and certainly he didn't in "Dreams from my father". I've read the book, and it certainly doesn't appear. As Politifact notes, these words were written by a conservative reviewer, and then attributed to Obama by some scurrilous individual.

So, I reject the premise of your question, that Obama wrote those words. If you stand by that premise, perhaps you could tell us where in "Dreams from my father" they appear.

Please stop with all that "factual" stuff. It makes our Tea-Tard friends very uncomfortable. Thank you.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama has never done anything to warrant the label of being racist. Yet so many "anyone-but-Obama" people insist on assuming that as the first black President, he must be racist. That makes you the racist.

I'm really surprised by all the meaningless babble I see on this board against Obama. I'm with many of you in not liking him or wanting him to be reelected. But so much of the stuff I see on this board against him is only the stuff that will make him stronger as a candidate, by making his detractors look so bad and trivial. Fight him on his policies.

Hmmmm ... no .... what makes him sound racist is comments like, "I don't know the facts of the case but it's obvious the white cop acted stupidly."

The tribes be it white or black will never completely agree to govern each other with the other. We must govern our selfs with our own people. Blacks with black governments and white with white governments. We will never accept each others judgement as we're different. That is the only way it can work. We must always be with our peoples and must always be fairly judged by our peoples...Never forced to be judged by the other tribe. Be it blacks being judged by whites or whites being judged by blacks. That is the only fair way.

That's racism in a nut-shell.