Was Melissa really a Cat 5 or a Cat 1 hoax?

[Foxfyre]

No the damage varies as winds can be directly on the surface or 10-20 feet above the surface as wind varies in depth in its flow through the AIR where it is moving though. the Category 5 rating tells us the estimated wind speed wind damage is normally variable.

Cat 5 means minimum wind speeds of 158 mph or 137 knots. The only variables are that the wind speeds can be higher, which was the reported situation with Melissa, and how many damaging tornadoes, if any, are produced by the storm.

No one is saying that there was no hurricane or that the damage in Jamaica was not horrendous.

But comparing the damage seen in the photos of Jamaica compared to photos of damage of other Cat 4 and 5 hurricanes, I do think it not unreasonable to at least question the category assigned to Melissa. Maybe it was a Cat 5. I am certainly in no position to make that determination.

But for sure when there are so few really bad storms when global warming is supposed to be increasing them, it does make it harder for the AGW religionists to keep their ominous predictions alive. Perhaps thinking they could misrepresent the strength of a storm because of that puts it in the realm of conspiracy theory. That probably didn't happen, but strange things happen in the world of ideology, politics, and economic agendas.

 

[Old Rocks]

Plenty of damage here;

 

[Old Rocks]

Well here is another;

 

[Meister]

Show me where it looks like a Cat 5 hit...

jamaica photos - Google Search

Those photos all look like a Cat 1 max.

jamaica photos - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

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Like "ocean rise," the question now is

CAN YOU SHOW US A PHOTO of "CAT 5 DAMAGE" on Jamaica, because that's not what the photos show as of now....

The eye of the hurricane was pretty damn tight. I'm thinking it was a cat5.

 

[Old Rocks]

Actually the vast majority of actual scientists do not believe in CO2 FRAUD. There are "thousands," not millions, of taxpayer funded fudgebaking liars called "climate scientists" and this is what they do...

they take evidence of NO WARMING and FUDGE IT to show "warming" that does not exist...

And "hurricane Melissa" being a "Cat 5" is another example of it.

Find us another "Cat 5" with a reported storm surge of 13 feet....

And you are one lying dumb ****. LOL Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. Against that we have ranting of people that appear not even to have a GED making nonsense statements.

 

[Old Rocks]

What we are seeing in the past 10 years is CO2 FRAUD fudging and lying and calling Cat 1's and 2's "5's" and Melissa is just the latest example of it.

What we are seeing is people in the pay of the fossil fuel corporations paying people without a conscience to flap their lying yaps concerning what is happening in the world concerning weather and climate. The physics of CO2 and other GHG's absorption of longwave infrared was established in the mid-19th century. And all your silly ignorant flap yap cannot change the physics. And people like you are making a lessor world for our descendants. Not that you give a diddly.

 

[EMH]

The eye of the hurricane was pretty damn tight. I'm thinking it was a cat5.

The satellite image looked cat 5, but that can be fudged, or AIed in from an earlier storm. The "eyewall" you saw on TV could have been from a cane from the past.

What cannot be fudged is the damage and the storm surge height.

The damage to Jamaica is Cat 1, the reported storm surge was 13 feet, 5 feet below the minimum level of a 157mph Cat 5, and the claim is it hit land at 175mph, which would put the storm surge 20+ feet. It wasn't a 5, 4, or 3 when it came ashore, maybe a 2, most likely a 1.

The actual visual evidence of storm surge appears more 8ft than 13ft.


They did the same thing last year with a bogus "Cat 5" that hit the Lesser Antilles and did Cat 1 damage.

And immediately they are out in force parroting the same talking points...

"Global Warming causing more Cat 5s" (laughable BS canes not increasing at all even counting this fudge as a 5)

"global warming causing storms to quickly get to Cat 5" (because NWS switched the image)

The second thing to consider is that we are at the end of the season, and traditionally after mid Oct you only see Cat 1-2 because the water has cooled from mid Sept. "M" is the 13th letter so its the 13th storm, pretty darn weak season for, out of nowhere, a Cat 5 to pop up and deliver a Cat 1 hit, with the media ready to scream "Global Warming..."

 

[EMH]

And you are one lying dumb ****. LOL Every Scientific Society, every National Academy of Science, and every major University in the world has policy statements that AGW is real and a clear and present danger. Against that we have ranting of people that appear not even to have a GED making nonsense statements.

Again back to "your level" = parrot the lie and ignore the truth of the data...

 

[EMH]

The physics of CO2 and other GHG's absorption of longwave infrared was established in the mid-19th century

Every single gas absorbs some form of EM. O3 Ozone absorbs UV, 10k more powerful that IR, which is what Co2 absorbs.

The entire "greenhouse gas theory" of climate change is refuted wrecked destroyed obliterated by the fact that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED


ruling out atmosphere as a suspect, really leaving ONLY tectonic plate movement as a suspect...

 

[Old Rocks]

Every single gas absorbs some form of EM. O3 Ozone absorbs UV, 10k more powerful that IR, which is what Co2 absorbs.

The entire "greenhouse gas theory" of climate change is refuted wrecked destroyed obliterated by the fact that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED


ruling out atmosphere as a suspect, really leaving ONLY tectonic plate movement as a suspect...

Almost all of Greenland is north of the Arctic Circle. And most of Greenland is well a mile high.



Approximately 7,000 feet
The average elevation of Greenland is approximately 7,000 feet (2,135 meters) above sea level, primarily due to its vast ice sheet that covers about 80% of the island.

topographic-map.com+1

 

[Old Rocks]

Every single gas absorbs some form of EM. O3 Ozone absorbs UV, 10k more powerful that IR, which is what Co2 absorbs.

The entire "greenhouse gas theory" of climate change is refuted wrecked destroyed obliterated by the fact that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED


ruling out atmosphere as a suspect, really leaving ONLY tectonic plate movement as a suspect...

 

[EMH]

Almost all of Greenland is north of the Arctic Circle. And most of Greenland is well a mile high.


Approximately 7,000 feet
The average elevation of Greenland is approximately 7,000 feet (2,135 meters) above sea level, primarily due to its vast ice sheet that covers about 80% of the island.
topographic-map.com+1

That's what happens when land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole, it goes into continent specific ICE AGE, and understanding that is the most important part of understanding Earth climate change.

Greenland and Antarctica are ice ages, and account for 97% of Earth ice today. North America 5 million years ago had over 5 million cubic miles of ice. Then NA moved outside of 600 miles to the pole, and it melted.

So the quantity of ice on Earth is 99% about where land is relative to 600 miles to the pole, which is 100% correlation. ALL LAND within 600 miles of a pole is IN ICE AGE and all land outside of 600 miles is NOT in ice age.

 

[ReinyDays]

Reap them and wheat ... 150 kt is Category 5 ...

Hurricane Melissa Discussion Number 26 500 PM EDT Mon Oct 27 2025

A few hours ago, data from an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter
aircraft showed that the central pressure in Melissa had fallen to
near 906 mb. The aircraft measured maximum 700-mb flight-level
winds of 161 kt, which supports surface winds of near 145 kt. In
addition, low-level winds measured by a dropwindsonde in the
northeastern eyewall support surface winds of 155 kt. During the
time since the aircraft departed the hurricane, there has been
little change in organization and no obvious signs that Melissa has
weakened. Thus, the initial intensity is set at 150 kt as a blend
of the surface wind estimates mentioned above. NOAA and Air Force
Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft will again investigate Melissa
during the next few hours.

To be fair, top wind at Kingston airport was 47 mph ... these 180 mph winds are just around the eye wall, and roughly 8 miles across ... these hurricane categories are only really useful at warning the public of impending danger ... smart people in Louisiana were planning their escape inland, because that's a whopper of a hurricane out there ...

906 millibars ... that's intense on anyone's scale ...

 

[braalian]

Show me where it looks like a Cat 5 hit...

jamaica photos - Google Search

Those photos all look like a Cat 1 max.

jamaica photos - Bing

Intelligent search from Bing makes it easier to quickly find what you’re looking for and rewards you.

www.bing.com

Like "ocean rise," the question now is

CAN YOU SHOW US A PHOTO of "CAT 5 DAMAGE" on Jamaica, because that's not what the photos show as of now....

Sigh

Ok

What exactly is the motivation for lying about this?

And every government and weather monitoring body on the planet participated?

Why? How?

 

[Old Rocks]

That's what happens when land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole, it goes into continent specific ICE AGE, and understanding that is the most important part of understanding Earth climate change.

Greenland and Antarctica are ice ages, and account for 97% of Earth ice today. North America 5 million years ago had over 5 million cubic miles of ice. Then NA moved outside of 600 miles to the pole, and it melted.

So the quantity of ice on Earth is 99% about where land is relative to 600 miles to the pole, which is 100% correlation. ALL LAND within 600 miles of a pole is IN ICE AGE and all land outside of 600 miles is NOT in ice age.

According to all that I have read, the major continental glaciations did not start until about 2.85 million years ago. However, toward the end of the late Miocene, the CO2 levels started to decline, resulting in the woodlands being replaced with steppe vegetation as the temperature cooled.

Abstract​

During the late Miocene epoch, about seven million years ago, large areas of the continents experienced drying, enhanced seasonality, and a restructuring of terrestrial plant and animal communities. These changes are seen throughout the subtropics, but have typically been attributed to regional tectonic forcing. Here we present a set of globally distributed sea surface temperature records spanning the past 12 million years based on the alkenone unsaturation method. We find that a sustained late Miocene cooling occurred synchronously in both hemispheres, and culminated with ocean temperatures dipping to near-modern values between about 7 and 5.4 million years ago. The period of maximum cooling coincides with evidence for transient glaciations in the Northern Hemisphere and with a steepening of the pole-to-equator temperature gradient, as well. We thus infer that late Miocene aridity and terrestrial ecosystem changes occurred in a global context of increasing meridional temperature gradients. We conclude that a global forcing mechanism, such as the previously hypothesized decline in atmospheric CO2 levels between eight and six million years ago, is required to explain the late Miocene changes in temperature, climate and ecosystems.

Late Miocene global cooling and the rise of modern ecosystems - Nature Geoscience

A period of continental aridification and ecosystem change occurred about seven million years ago. A global sea surface temperature reconstruction identifies cooling temperatures and a strengthened meridional temperature gradient at this time.

www.nature.com

 

[Old Rocks]

Reap them and wheat ... 150 kt is Category 5 ...

Hurricane Melissa Discussion Number 26 500 PM EDT Mon Oct 27 2025

A few hours ago, data from an Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter
aircraft showed that the central pressure in Melissa had fallen to
near 906 mb. The aircraft measured maximum 700-mb flight-level
winds of 161 kt, which supports surface winds of near 145 kt. In
addition, low-level winds measured by a dropwindsonde in the
northeastern eyewall support surface winds of 155 kt. During the
time since the aircraft departed the hurricane, there has been
little change in organization and no obvious signs that Melissa has
weakened. Thus, the initial intensity is set at 150 kt as a blend
of the surface wind estimates mentioned above. NOAA and Air Force
Reserve Hurricane Hunter aircraft will again investigate Melissa
during the next few hours.

To be fair, top wind at Kingston airport was 47 mph ... these 180 mph winds are just around the eye wall, and roughly 8 miles across ... these hurricane categories are only really useful at warning the public of impending danger ... smart people in Louisiana were planning their escape inland, because that's a whopper of a hurricane out there ...

906 millibars ... that's intense on anyone's scale ...

According to one source, it hit a low of 892 as it hit land.

892 millibars
The lowest pressure reading for Hurricane Melissa was 892 millibars, making it the third-lowest pressure on record for Atlantic hurricanes, tied with the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935.

WSAV-TV+2

 

[Old Rocks]

That's what happens when land gets to within 600 miles of an Earth pole, it goes into continent specific ICE AGE, and understanding that is the most important part of understanding Earth climate change.

Greenland and Antarctica are ice ages, and account for 97% of Earth ice today. North America 5 million years ago had over 5 million cubic miles of ice. Then NA moved outside of 600 miles to the pole, and it melted.

So the quantity of ice on Earth is 99% about where land is relative to 600 miles to the pole, which is 100% correlation. ALL LAND within 600 miles of a pole is IN ICE AGE and all land outside of 600 miles is NOT in ice age.

During the PETM, there were crocodiles living at the Arctic Circle. No ice anywhere near the North Pole. Temperature is not controlled only by latitude.

Conditions​

The Arctic Circle during the PETM experienced extreme temperatures, with sea surface temperatures in the high-latitude Arctic potentially reaching as high as 23 °C (73 °F). This temperature increase was part of a broader global warming trend that led to significant environmental changes, including the expansion of subtropical dinoflagellates and the appearance of new species, such as those within planktic foraminifera and calcareous nannofossils. The PETM also resulted in a mass extinction of benthic foraminifera and a shift in the configuration of oceans and continents, with the Panama Isthmus not yet connecting North America and South America. These conditions highlight the dramatic impact of the PETM on the Arctic Circle and the broader global climate system.

Wikipedia+4
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=c7c5...yJTgwJTkzRW9jZW5lX1RoZXJtYWxfTWF4aW11bQ&ntb=1

 

[EMH]

What exactly is the motivation for lying about this?

CO2 FRAUD is desperate for "evidence of warming."

This one isn't close. Max Cat 2. All NWS stuff was deliberately fudged including the "satellite image."


and on cue, that's what the CO2 FRAUD media is crowing about...

Why Are We Seeing More Category 5 Hurricanes?

In order to form, Category 5 hurricanes require a “perfect storm” of factors.

time.com

There is no evidence at all in the actual data of any sort of increase in cane activity. Hence, what CO2 FRAUD has done this year and last is take a Cat 1-2 cane in the Caribbean and "fudge it" into a cat 5, and then tell us "cat 5s are increasing because of CO2 FRAUD."

 

[EMH]

According to one source, it hit a low of 892 as it hit land.

892 millibars
The lowest pressure reading for Hurricane Melissa was 892 millibars, making it the third-lowest pressure on record for Atlantic hurricanes, tied with the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935.
WSAV-TV+2

That should have been a 200mph Cat 5 with a 24 foot storm surge.

Instead, in reality, what hit Jamaica was Cat 1-2 with 80-100mph winds and a reported storm surge of 13, visually more like 8ft.


The entire stats for Melissa were fudged, deliberately, by NWS.

 

[EMH]

During the PETM, there were crocodiles living at the Arctic Circle. No ice anywhere near the North Pole. Temperature is not controlled only by latitude.

Conditions​

The Arctic Circle during the PETM experienced extreme temperatures, with sea surface temperatures in the high-latitude Arctic potentially reaching as high as 23 °C (73 °F). This temperature increase was part of a broader global warming trend that led to significant environmental changes, including the expansion of subtropical dinoflagellates and the appearance of new species, such as those within planktic foraminifera and calcareous nannofossils. The PETM also resulted in a mass extinction of benthic foraminifera and a shift in the configuration of oceans and continents, with the Panama Isthmus not yet connecting North America and South America. These conditions highlight the dramatic impact of the PETM on the Arctic Circle and the broader global climate system.
Wikipedia+4
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=c7c5...yJTgwJTkzRW9jZW5lX1RoZXJtYWxfTWF4aW11bQ&ntb=1

This is the absolutely laughable Milankovich Cycles McBullshit destroyed on both poles here...

Thread 'The lies of Milankovich Cycles aka McBullshit - where was land mass Antarctica 70 million years ago'

Aug 9, 2023

McBullshit claims Antarctica has been on the South Pole forever, it never moved at all. And, while it is on the South Pole, it has rapidly gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over.... a Dennis Quaid theory for sure...

We know that Antarctica has 70 million year old dinosaur fossils, and clearly they did not live on top of 2+ mile thick ice at -60F...

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Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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