Was John McCain secretly working for the Vietcong?

[koshergrl]

How do we know McCain didn't get shot down on purpose?

btw, we don't KNOW that Bergdahl walked away. The investigation files haven't been released. All we have to go on are words from disgruntled grunts.

Wrong.

Reports from back in 2010 concluded that he walked off on his own.

Just an FYI...when a soldier is deemed missing, an investigation begins immediately and a report is submitted to command within weeks.

And exactly how does one get shot down intentionally? Kind of hard to fly INTO tracer fire. More difficult than trying to avoid it.

According to an unnamed source.

He may have walked away but whether or not he deserted in unknown.

We only have McCain's word that he was shot down. Where was the investigation?

Ravtard, your idiocy knows no bounds.

Just because you haven't seen the investigation doesn't mean it didn't take place. And anybody who has ever experienced your vast wealth of ignorance knows...if everything you didn't know about didn't exist, we'd be living in a world of nothing.

 

[Valerie]

"Wrong-way Bill Kristol has dismissed him as a deserter not worth rescuing..."

Bill Kristol slams Bowe Bergdahl deal - Jonathan Topaz - POLITICO.com

Bullshit. Copy and paste from that article where he said that.

that quote and link came from the first article i posted just prior...





Of course Republicans are going to compare the prisoner swap that won the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl to Benghazi. They both start with B. It leads to their favorite words that start with I: investigation, and possibly impeachment.

The ridiculous Andrew McCarthy, flacking his new book making the case for Obama’s impeachment, of course finds more fodder in the prisoner transfer. Tuesday morning he was joined by Fox News “legal analyst” Andrew Napolitano and a man who couldn’t even hold on to a congressional seat for a second term, Allen West. The shift to Bergdahl reflects growing concern that the right’s Benghazi dishonesty isn’t working with voters. Even conservative analysts have chided colleagues for Benghazi overreach. Sure, Trey Gowdy will continue with his election year partisan witch hunt, but the right is wagering the Bergdahl story might hurt Obama more.

The anti-Bergdahl hysteria plays into six years of scurrilous insinuation that Obama is a secret Muslim who either supports or sympathizes with our enemies. Even “moderate” Mitt Romney, you’ll recall, claimed the president’s “first response” to the 2012 Benghazi attack “was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks.” This is just the latest chapter.

The partisan opportunism over the Bergdahl deal shouldn’t be surprising, but it is, a little bit. This wasn’t some wild radical idea of the Obama administration; it was driven by the Defense Department and signed on to by intelligence agencies. Although Congress is claiming it wasn’t given the requisite 30 days’ notice of a prisoner transfer (more on that later), this deal or something very much like it has been in the works for at least two years, with plenty of congressional consultation.

And plenty of partisan demagoguery: In 2012 the late Michael Hastings reported that the White House was warned by congressional Republicans that a possible deal for the five Taliban fighters would be political suicide in an election year – a “Willie Horton moment,” in the words of an official responsible for working with Congress on the deal. In the end, though, Hastings reported that even Sen. John McCain ultimately approved the deal; it fell apart when the Taliban balked.

Two years later, the right’s official talking points are mixed: Some critics focus on rumors (buttressed by Hastings’ own sympathetic reporting on Bergdahl) that he was a soldier disillusioned by the Afghan war who deserted his post. Wrong-way Bill Kristol has dismissed him as a deserter not worth rescuing, while Kristol’s most prominent contribution to politics, Sarah Palin, has been screeching on her Facebook wall about Bergdahl’s “horrid anti-American beliefs.”

But missing and captured soldiers have never had to undergo a character check before being rescued by their government. Should they now face trial by Bill Kristol before we decide whether to rescue them? Is Sarah Palin going to preside over a military death panel for captured soldiers suspected of inadequate dedication to the war effort?

 

[koshergrl]

It's the Ravali show!

 

[kaz]

Nope. I'm just following McCain's lead.

He flew out of his post and ended up in enemy hands.

Why? Was it purposeful? We have a right to a trial.

You're equating Bergdahl walking away from his unit by his own choice and McCain getting shot down? Seriously? And you think that demonstrates what exactly?

How do we know McCain didn't get shot down on purpose?

btw, we don't KNOW that Bergdahl walked away. The investigation files haven't been released. All we have to go on are words from disgruntled grunts.

Um...OK... What are you, eight years old? Does this actually work in the third grade?

 

[Valerie]

Nope. I'm just following McCain's lead.

He flew out of his post and ended up in enemy hands.

Why? Was it purposeful? We have a right to a trial.

You're equating Bergdahl walking away from his unit by his own choice and McCain getting shot down? Seriously? And you think that demonstrates what exactly?

How do we know McCain didn't get shot down on purpose?

btw, we don't KNOW that Bergdahl walked away. The investigation files haven't been released. All we have to go on are words from disgruntled grunts.

mccain certainly had a reputation for thumbing his nose and doing his own reckless thing whenever he felt like being a hotshot... same principle, really...

 

[kaz]

How do we know McCain didn't get shot down on purpose?

btw, we don't KNOW that Bergdahl walked away. The investigation files haven't been released. All we have to go on are words from disgruntled grunts.

Wrong.

Reports from back in 2010 concluded that he walked off on his own.

Just an FYI...when a soldier is deemed missing, an investigation begins immediately and a report is submitted to command within weeks.

And exactly how does one get shot down intentionally? Kind of hard to fly INTO tracer fire. More difficult than trying to avoid it.

According to an unnamed source.

He may have walked away but whether or not he deserted in unknown.

We only have McCain's word that he was shot down. Where was the investigation?

Your intellect is to the level of repeating every word that someone says. Did you do that in the third grade today too?

 

[Mojo2]

Maybe he is a sort of reverse Manchurian Candidate.

Purposely taking a dive in 2008, so the bigger destructive influence could take the presidency.

Stranger things have happened.

Picking Palin as his VP would certainly support that charge.

But I'm more interested in his time in Vietnam. Was he ever put on trial to determine exactly how he ended up in enemy hands? The entire time he was a "POW" rumors flew that he was about to die of his wounds but he somehow managed to come up smelling like a rose.

Your thread is a troll thread.

 

[Valerie]

Election 2008

Republicans Allege McCain Covered Up His Collaboration with the North Vietnamese While a POW
Allegations resurface that McCain made propaganda statements and tried to keep Viet Cong records about him classified.


Republicans Allege McCain Covered Up His Collaboration with the North Vietnamese While a POW | Alternet

 

[koshergrl]

"allegations"

Lol..

 

[koshergrl]

Allegations that have never been confirmed = lies.

 

[koshergrl]

If you don't believe me, allow me to remind you of the truther flap...

allegations that Obama was not born an American surface continually..and what is your response to that?

 

[koshergrl]

Awesomeness...

Applaud the maude time!

 

[Valerie]

Maybe he is a sort of reverse Manchurian Candidate.

Purposely taking a dive in 2008, so the bigger destructive influence could take the presidency.

Stranger things have happened.

Picking Palin as his VP would certainly support that charge.

But I'm more interested in his time in Vietnam. Was he ever put on trial to determine exactly how he ended up in enemy hands? The entire time he was a "POW" rumors flew that he was about to die of his wounds but he somehow managed to come up smelling like a rose.

Your thread is a troll thread.

what thoughtful people are discussing all across the world is typically called a 'current event'.

lmao at the resident hacks who would rather blame the messenger.

The nearly eight-minute video is posted on YouTube under "Vietnam Veterans Against McCain." It begins with the title, "1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIAs," and features ex-Sen. Bob Smith (R-NH), Rep. Robert Dornan (R-CA), senate staffers Tracy Usry, James Lucier, and military family members Lynn O'Shea, of the National Alliance of Families and retired Army Cpl. Bob Dumas, whose brother was a POW lost in the Korean War, and Joseph Douglass, Jr., author of Betrayed, about America's missing POWs.

The footage begins with Douglass, Usry, O'Shea and Smith all saying that McCain worked to kill legislation that would have opened the Pentagon's classified archive of POW/MIA files. "Many, many documents were held back for no reason," former Sen. Smith said. Dorman said legislation that passed the House with no opposing votes was single-handedly blocked in the Senate by McCain. "On the Senate side, we had one person standing in the way," Dornan said, referring to McCain.

Dumas then gave the reason why - the Pentagon's records would reveal McCain had collaborated with the Vietnamese. "He didn't want nobody to check his background because a lot of POWs who were with him in the camp said he was a collaborator with the enemy," Dumas said. "He gave the enemy information they wanted."

Lucier, identified as a former U.S. Senate Chief of Staff, said "we do know that when he was over there, he cooperated with Communist news services in giving interviews that were not flattering to the United States." Usry, identified as U.S. Senate Minority Staff former chief investigator, said "information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government."

Republicans Allege McCain Covered Up His Collaboration with the North Vietnamese While a POW | Alternet

 

[koshergrl]

You think this garbage is "thoughtful"?

You need a conspiracy theory for that one as well.

 

[Ravi]

You're equating Bergdahl walking away from his unit by his own choice and McCain getting shot down? Seriously? And you think that demonstrates what exactly?

How do we know McCain didn't get shot down on purpose?

btw, we don't KNOW that Bergdahl walked away. The investigation files haven't been released. All we have to go on are words from disgruntled grunts.

mccain certainly had a reputation for thumbing his nose and doing his own reckless thing whenever he felt like being a hotshot... same principle, really...

Very true.

The military should investigate this. After all, he's getting all kinds of money from the government and we don't really know if he deserves it or not.

 

[Ravi]

Allegations that have never been confirmed = lies.

Why don't you apply this logic to Bergdahl, Babble?

That is the overall question.

 

[koshergrl]

I could care less about Bergdahl. I dont' care that he came back. He'll be tried. Or just institutionalized...

I care that our president used him to camouflage the release of big-time terrorists.

 

[Valerie]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has told people treating him at a U.S. military medical facility in Germany that he was tortured, beaten and held in a cage by his Taliban captors in Afghanistan after he tried to escape on at least two occasions, a senior U.S. official said Sunday.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss what Bergdahl has revealed about the conditions of his captivity.

The official said it was difficult to verify the accounts Bergdahl has given since his release a week ago. Bergdahl told his captors the cage he was kept in for a time was made of metal, and completely dark.

Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero - CNN.com

A reporter asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Sunday whether Bergdahl had left his post without permission or deserted -- and, if so, whether he would be punished. Hagel didn't answer directly. "Our first priority is assuring his well-being and his health and getting him reunited with his family," he said. "Other circumstances that may develop and questions, those will be dealt with later."


A senior Defense official said Bergdahl's "reintegration process" will include "time for him to tell his story, decompress, and to reconnect with his family through telephone calls and video conferences."

"We really don't know why he left the base and under what circumstances," Pentagon spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby said Monday. Details of that will come out, he said, adding that the Army has never classified Bergdahl as a deserter and has scheduled the soldier for a promotion next month. But the details around a soldier being taken captive "don't matter," he said, when it comes to the military's response.

"We're going to do all we can to get you back," he said. "That's an obligation that we have, all the people that put on this uniform."

Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero - CNN.com

 

[koshergrl]

The difference being that McCain's comrades don't say he was a deserter.

 

[koshergrl]

Or that he faked a plane crash.

That one's pretty good. People so commonly *fake* plane crashes.